Stay Away From Hall Handmade / Ian Hall

[JohnWE]

He's a pathological liar, he can't tell the truth unless it serves him.

As soon as people start making the type of excuses that he does it's time to escalate collection efforts.

I can not understand how people can not see past the overt lying and pathological behaviour these clowns exhibit.

 

[palonej]

Agreed John, BUT some of them have a good line of sh!t in the beginning. Their true colors will eventually present themselves.

 

[JohnWE]

Agreed John, BUT some of them have a good line of sh!t in the beginning. Their true colors will eventually present themselves.

Correct sir. But once the stories, otherwise known as the excuses start, it's ALWAYS time to get out.

For the same reasons that criminals get caught, albeit for different motivations.

People like to think that they're smart enough to not get ripped off when it comes to things like collectables but the same reason they like to collect is also why they do get ripped off. They stay too long. They keep hoping that their deal will be different than all those other deals. They want to believe. They're dealing with people who are quite literally sociopaths and the average person simply can't comprehend to what lengths a true sociopath will go to get what they want.

Anyone who's had to deal with sociopaths and that doesn't buy or collect knives could read some of these threads and know within a couple of posts how it will turn out because they're not emotionally connected to getting some cool knife from the newest flash in the pan knifemaker. The path is painfully clear and the outcome is virtually guaranteed.

I urge every person who buys and sells specialized type items like what we see selling here to do a little research into the pathology of sociopathy. There's a really good book called "the sociopath next door" that explains just how prevalent these people are.

I'm just a guy who buys the occasional knife and who's made a hobby studying and learning how con men work, I'm not a psychologist or a psychiatrist but I rarely get ripped off.

 

[JohnWE]

I expect that we will be seeing many similar stories to this one in the next decade to come. Makers who got into the business at a time when hype, inflation of prices, and "bro love" buffoonery and profiteering was rampant.

This is why I always make a point to not purchase or even own a knife produced by someone who has shown, at any point, a disregard for aspects of customer service and satisfaction. That includes asking for payments up front, ignoring communication, pushing "bro" off-the-book knives with ornate materials and embellishments for Instagram/Facebook friends in front of others who have been waiting 3 years on the order books for a plain Ti framelock... all show a fundamental lack of respect for the customer.

I think your analysis is spot-on as well as your predictions.

 

[KELAMA]

Hall Handmade: these knives have increased significantly in value.