Steel Junky's - need opinions

I believe what Sal meant was that the steel is not being produced on a regular basis. You can't just call the foundry and get some, because they are not producing it all the time. You order a thousand pounds and wait until they fit it into their schedule to run off a batch. The stuff that is currently being used in knives may be from a batch of ten tons that was produced ten years ago and is not yet used up.
 
Hi vassili,

nozh2002 said:
I am refering to what is going on in computer industry when some company hold standart like Java or Unix and make sure that other mit that standard (making money on this not on the product itself). I am not sure of course is it applicable in this bussiness are there critical mass of money etc...
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Kinda like clips on knives? ;) Probably not likely. But I'm not sure anyone but steel junky's are really interested. Certainly any company can get involved in way they'd care to, I'm flexible. I don't see this as a, "mine", I see it as a, "yours". Also, you're a small market. Probably not very profitable, certainly not the demand that there is for: clips, spring loaded knives, Carson Flippers, Reeve Integral Locks, etc..

[/QUOTE] But look - you may end up with situation when steel producers will send you complete knives and you just check that they complay this standart, put your stamp on it plus take care of distribution... If they already show their interest. Just my two cents [/QUOTE]

Steel foundries have their hands full just making steel. I believe they expect us to fill that role, which is what I'm doing. It serves both our vendors and our customers, we all learn, and it might promote some competition to create the ultimate perfect knife steel, "Vassilium". Besides, making High quality consistent knives is harder to do well than it might appear.

[/QUOTE] BTW, SRS15 used by Fallkniven and also in many other kitchen knives as a core in laminated blades...[/QUOTE]

Good, then it must be available at least in small quantities. Do you know who makes the steel?

sal
 
db said:
That sounds like a perfect way to approach the steel companies to get involved with this project. IF I was Devin, Ed, Al, and or any of the other specialty steel makers or heat treaters, I’d jump on this fast. Can you think of a better way to get your product out and talked about than this?
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Sometimes the problem isn't getting your product out there, but keeping up with existing orders. :)
 
Hi Sal,

OK, I found that data_sheet I got from Japan. It is all in Japanese, except composition itself. I hope there is some manufacturer information there. I can send it to you if you are interested - just tell me where to send it.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
What about steel blades laminated by Titanium - same Takefu Spetial Steel which as I understand produced VG-10 (also your discovery)? Like Titanium + ZDP189 + Titanium, and as I see they already producing knives...

http://www.e-tokko.com/eng_titan.htm

Thanks, Vassili.
 
nozh2002 said:
What about steel blades laminated by Titanium - same Takefu Spetial Steel which as I understand produced VG-10 (also your discovery)? Like Titanium + ZDP189 + Titanium, and as I see they already producing knives...

http://www.e-tokko.com/eng_titan.htm

Thanks, Vassili.
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Hmm... curious to know, how do you think the laminations will affect the steel? In terms of cutting, from what I can tell, the only part doing the cutting will be the steel core, with the titanium just protecting the steel &c. If it's about comparing corrosion rates (MacTech, you listening?), then I think it'd be a good idea.
 
Th232 said:
Hmm... curious to know, how do you think the laminations will affect the steel? In terms of cutting, from what I can tell, the only part doing the cutting will be the steel core, with the titanium just protecting the steel &c. If it's about comparing corrosion rates (MacTech, you listening?), then I think it'd be a good idea.
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Lamination is well known and already discussed many times here. In this case it will be only edge exposed to corrosion, however in general blade will be much togher and so allows to harden core more then usual. It is standart practice in Japan for almost all knives.

But this is different topic to discuss.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
Exotic steels are great, and exert a strong pull on the target for this project - people who will buy any steel under the sun to see if it cuts better. However, I think we need more pedestrian steels to compare with. Maybe ZDP-189 or S30V cuts like crud when compared head-to-head with 440A. That's an extreme exaggeration, but if you have two steels next to each other you may notice subtle differences. Plus, there are lots of awesome knife designs that won't be released in "steel Z" any time soon. Better to know the relative benefits of actual production steels when choosing.

Aside from testing, it sounds like the aggravation for procuring and producing the super-steel blades will be immensely greater. "Boring" steels every once in a while may save enough of Sal's sanity to keep this going a bit further.

I think I proposed a ratio of 3:1 or 2:1 normal to super steel. You can flip that ratio around if you want, but I think a reasonable mixture of the two is good for the project overall. YMMV
 
Sal, while you're getting this up and running let me know if you need someone to volunteer some of their free time helping you with stuff that doesn't need your expertise. I'd be glad to donate some free time and I'd bet some others would be too. If needed, e-mail me at mastiffone@hotmail.com
Joe
 
The Mastiff said:
Sal, while you're getting this up and running let me know if you need someone to volunteer some of their free time helping you with stuff that doesn't need your expertise. I'd be glad to donate some free time and I'd bet some others would be too. If needed, e-mail me at mastiffone@hotmail.com
Joe
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I will second that motion. If I can help, email me. I took my email address off here as I started getting a lot of spam, but you can still email me through bladeforums. I am only about ten miles from Spyderco.
 
Hi Tohatchi,

"super steels" are not my focus. To me, all steels are good. They just have different properties. I'll be touching bases on this thread to determine each next steel.

thanx for the offer guys. I'l be dumping the project (except for procurement & manufacturing) on Kelly, Taz & staff, so I'll let them know.

sal
 
Sal, the Prototype looks awesome, I am definitely in for a couple.

Thanks for the time and effort involved.
 
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