Street Price of the Para 2 cst-20cp

Spyderco made more of the orange Military and it ticked off a lot of people. When a lot of your customers are collectors its not a good idea to make something less collectible than was initially stated. I don't think they made more of the Manix than they originally stated they just made them in 2 runs. There are also a lot of Benchmade collectors and I have a feeling Benchmade is going to catch the same flak as Spyderco did and I wouldn't expect the practice to continue although that is just speculation.
 
singularity35 said:
Because a lot of people would be upset by the loss of exclusivity of their knife.
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Sal needs to choose between a few collectors of production knives being upset over loss of exclusivity of their safe queens or people being upset over unavailability/scalping; a tough situation but that's where he is now that the sprint runs are garnering so much more demand than availability.
Personally I'm putting money I'd have gladly spent on some of these last few sprint runs into other hobbies, and looking at some custom kitchen knives or a 1911.
 
I don't really care about exclusivity . . . I just would like to have a second Carpenter 20CP Para 2 sprint (for backup) without having to pay more than $150 or so for it. And I was just lucky that I got the one I have. I think they should make a few thousand of these. I'm sure they would all sell very quickly.

Btw, initially I wasn't too thrilled with the color but it grew on me and now I really like it. I even like the shiny clip, even though I usually prefer dark or black clips. But the silver clip goes really well with the light gray scales and the other silver hardware.
 
It weird how some sprints increase so rapidly in price but others don't. The M4 Manix 2s were 153+ shipping and they still sell for that on ebay despite being out for a few months. Meanwhile the CTS 20CP para 2's were at 220 the next day.
 
Undertow82 said:
I have to be honest, I love gray and I was excited when the 2011 catalog first came out but it's quite a bit lighter than than the little picture shows and lighter than I would prefer as far as showing prints. I somehow stained mine within 1 minuted of opening it. A darker gray would have been much more desirable, IMO.
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I am with you on this. Certainly would appreciate darker gray.
Also would love to see some knives in British racing green G10.
 
I was fortunate enough to pick up the last S90V para 2 from the SFO store in Golden where I paid full retail for it and was happy to do so. Full retail was about $100 more than the pre order price available from dealers but I wanted the knife and felt is was worth the money...plus it was the last one available. It seems like a number of people feel that if they want something they are entitled to it...this is not the case. If a company make a limited number of a product and you are unable to get one what are your options? Either not have one, or pay the price on the secondary market. All the complaining and whining seems a little silly to me. Does it suck not being able to have something you want? Sure. But that doesnt mean you have a right to it.
 
ndeezl said:
... But that doesnt mean you have a right to it.
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Hohohhooo. Rights? Who's talking about rights? We were just asking if there were a better system to get more knives to more people.

Why is it so hard for some people to understand that.
 
Of course there's a way to get more of these knives to more people who want them. If that's not happening it's probably a decision made by the company isnt it?
 
I didn't see that thread but I do know that Sal takes an interest in what his customers have to say and want. It's one of the things I really like about Spyderco. It just seems to me that some people feel entitled to have a knife and I happen to disagree. Trust me there have been a number of sprint runs that I've missed out on. The ones I want to pay for I try and pick up on the secondary market if I feel it's worth it. If it's more than I want to spend I don't. Sprint runs are special for many reasons and one of them is the limited number.
 
ndeezl said:
...Sprint runs are special for many reasons and one of them is the limited number.
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This where we agree to disagree. Some sprints I don't want, and some sprints I like because of the material(specifically the steel). Limited numbers don't make them special for me. Limited numbers just make them harder to get which does not equate to being special for me. Special for me is some physical quality of the knife itself which is intrinsic. Special for me is not a quality that is "fixable" via an external agency(producing more).

You can make 50 knives from 8cr13Mov and they won't be any more special to me than a tenacious because exclusivity is not what I look for in most of my gear. What I look for is the performance that I want. You can make 10,000 grey paras so every tom, dick, and ndeezl will have one. I don't care as long as the 20CP performs just as well as any other 20CP in a grey para.When the 20CP performs just like all the 20CP in all the grey paras, then that to me is special.
 
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Spyderco doesn't make any money from the secondary market, so I don't see any reason for them not to make more of any popular model. If it happens to piss off a collector, there's plenty of people behind them who want the same knife. Hell, it's why the prices go up in the first place. If there's a hundred people willing to pay twice the street price, then there were certainly plenty of others who would have paid street price had there been more to go around.

Spyderco does not seem to design, market, or produce for knife collectors, but for knife users. If they have the materials and production capacity, I'm sure they will make as many as demanded.
 
hardheart said:
Spyderco doesn't make any money from the secondary market, so I don't see any reason for them not to make more of any popular model. If it happens to piss off a collector, there's plenty of people behind them who want the same knife. Hell, it's why the prices go up in the first place. If there's a hundred people willing to pay twice the street price, then there were certainly plenty of others who would have paid street price had there been more to go around.

Spyderco does not seem to design, market, or produce for knife collectors, but for knife users. If they have the materials and production capacity, I'm sure they will make as many as demanded.
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I agree and as I remember now one of the first things that drew me to Spyderco was Sal Glesser's quote that:

We would rather be the knife in your pocket, because is "works" better, than the knife in your showcase, because it "looks" better.
 
I paid $154 with priority shipping. I had 2 preordered from different places for $137 but never got the call. I think the Para 2's popularity justifies larger sprint runs in the future.
 
KalEl said:
It weird how some sprints increase so rapidly in price but others don't. The M4 Manix 2s were 153+ shipping and they still sell for that on ebay despite being out for a few months. Meanwhile the CTS 20CP para 2's were at 220 the next day.
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The reason the M4 Manix 2's haven't increased in price much so far is because they are still available from the shop that had them produced as an "exclusive" model for them to sell. Why would someone pay more when they can still obtain them at the original selling price from the original vendor.
 
hardheart said:
Spyderco doesn't make any money from the secondary market, so I don't see any reason for them not to make more of any popular model. If it happens to piss off a collector, there's plenty of people behind them who want the same knife. Hell, it's why the prices go up in the first place. If there's a hundred people willing to pay twice the street price, then there were certainly plenty of others who would have paid street price had there been more to go around.

Spyderco does not seem to design, market, or produce for knife collectors, but for knife users. If they have the materials and production capacity, I'm sure they will make as many as demanded.
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But that ^^^ is the issue with sprints.
 
I dropped $230 on a NIB CTS-20cp and just spent $265 on a used s90v. I appreciate the "rareness" but I am actually going to use them. It would be cool if Spyderco made successful sprints part of their lineup. I would be up for having Spyderco releasing more runs, but have them sell exclusively from the SFO at full MSRP. The higher end models being sold for full MSRP could be ordered from the SFO, and can be manufactured on an as needed basis.
 
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