Strider .75 AR Controversy

I don't get all the Strider choil hate, you guys have probably never even worked security at a mall. If you'd studied ninjutsu and or mall security you would understand the tactical superiority offered by the ergonomic jimpchoilification that is a fundamental core of Strider design.

If your folder doesn't offer a seven finger grip like this Strider, it's worthless:

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unwisefool said:
Yeah, but if you design a knife properly, you don't need to do that and you get more cutting edge.
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You just haven't had enough Ranger pistolero black bag operator training to be able to appreciate the genius of Mick Burgerbag's design. Better not let anyone on USN hear you saying that!! LOL

Remember, the Status Bro must be maintained.
 
Officer's Match said:
Apparently W&C is no longer needed around here.
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I'm not sure I take your meaning. I don't see any Bladeforums members being insulted in this thread. We're discussing a stolen valor car thief maker who changed his name to sound cool (rather like children did on the playground back in the day when they were pretending to be superheroes) and can't design a knife properly, yet claims the designs are the result of his completely fabricated Ranger special forces military career. That, and the knives, are worthy of ridicule.

No one has insulted you personally, or any other BF member personally (heh, because Burgerbag's not a member here, this is technically correct).

Is there something I'm missing?

Edited to add: In any case, I expect this thread will be locked soon, as is usual whenever Strider fans get roasty over others making light of the maker's terrible life (and knife design) choices.
 
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Officer's Match said:
The sharpening choil?
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A properly done sharpening choil would give you more blade. I like a finger choil like on spydercos. I like a sharpening choil. I don't need both at once like is attempted in that picture. Plus, even with a sharpening choil + the finger choil, there is still wasted space, a lot of it. I don't understand but that is personal taste.

Finger choils are just big sharpening choils IMO. The edge should go all the way. Just some examples from the first page of my imgur:

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Officer's Match said:
Apparently W&C is no longer needed around here.
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If you respond like this you are no different. Look, if you are a strider fan, you know you are going to get a certain amount of grief here. Ignore it and talk about the knives, which you usually successfully do, or succumb to it and lose. I mean, do we need to repost what the forum owner thinks yet again?
 
Not a "strider" fan. I am however enjoying my SnG and SMF very much. I get that the design isn't for everyone - I'm not a huge "blade efficiency" guy, I'm more interested in the grip feel and utility. Might be why I also love Emersons and Hinderers. I like the choil as it is, as one's that have the sharpened edge right up to the grip area seem dangerous in certain usage IMHO.

I guess I try to not disparage other people's items - been around far too many car shows and such and in my opinion bashing others property isn't a great look.
 
Whenever a Strider thread comes up, I think it's completely fair (perhaps even obligatory) for someone to mention the McBurger controversy because it really does matter to some--like me. But I don't think it's fair for the thread to devolve into a "Mick is a POS" rant and heckle participants out of an earnest discussion on the knives to the point of thread lock--every single time. I think it just pushes forumites to other sites where they do worship Mick's bullshit.

Just my 2¢
 
The problem with finger choils is you rarely actually use them. Yes, it feels good in hand but the majority of cutting tasks don't use (or don't require the use of) the finger choil. Unless you're whittling wood or doing a lot of hard push type cutting, there's just not a lot of practical need for the choil. So there would be much more benefit to that space being a cutting edge. That's my thoughts on them. It's actually one of my issues with so many Spydercos. I used to love the choil because of how the knife felt in my hand when I was sitting in my chair admiring my purchase. But when I was critical of them in use I came to the conclusion that they aren't for me.

Now, that said, if I want a knife with a finger choil, I'll grab one of my Manix 2's (a choil sporting knife that works) and support one of the finest families in the cutlery world.

Also, just say no to stolen valor. ;)
 
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Officer's Match said:
Not a "strider" fan. I am however enjoying my SnG and SMF very much. I get that the design isn't for everyone - I'm not a huge "blade efficiency" guy, I'm more interested in the grip feel and utility. Might be why I also love Emersons and Hinderers. I like the choil as it is, as one's that have the sharpened edge right up to the grip area seem dangerous in certain usage IMHO.

I guess I try to not disparage other people's items - been around far too many car shows and such and in my opinion bashing others property isn't a great look.
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Fair enough. I like a bit of reasoning and debate around preferences. That's how we learn. I can do with out the disparagement of personal preferences, but when it comes to certain brands it should be expected. It is impossible for most to separate company from knife.
 
Officer's Match said:
Not a "strider" fan. I am however enjoying my SnG and SMF very much. I get that the design isn't for everyone - I'm not a huge "blade efficiency" guy, I'm more interested in the grip feel and utility. Might be why I also love Emersons and Hinderers. I like the choil as it is, as one's that have the sharpened edge right up to the grip area seem dangerous in certain usage IMHO.

I guess I try to not disparage other people's items - been around far too many car shows and such and in my opinion bashing others property isn't a great look.
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But it's just that, it's just property. I mean, take a look at this:

https://www.bladehq.com/item--Strider-Knives-SMF-CC-Black-G-10--8655

Just the first knife I saw that supports my point 100% (the SnG does it too).

That knife is nine inches long (!!!) and the cutting edge is a hair over a third (!?!??!) of that. That is both hilarious, and hilariously bad design for a "hard use" tactical knife. If you enjoy that, absolutely no disrespect towards you personally, but that's just bad knife design. I mean, if you have hands like a male silverback gorilla, I guess it works, but even then, I'd be asking where the other inch of cutting edge is. Also, objectively, this poor design issue scales downward. The SnG is a tad over eight inches long....and the cutting edge (most important part of a knife) is under three inches long. That's less than three inches of cutting edge for a knife that's as long (and as wide, criminy!) as a much larger bladed knife.

Simply put, this is a poor design from an objective standpoint, and the numbers bear that out. Now, I own knives that aren't great designs, and when others call those choices into question, I shrug, go "Eh, I like it" and then go about my day. I don't feel personally insulted or called out. The fact that this is Strider, well, it's a free pass to laugh about all the bad decisions involved.
 
jeepseahawk said:
I really like this forum but am learning many here are followers or bros, just amazing to me. How can you idolize a knife, just seems weird to me, especially idolizing a maker like he is God. It is a piece of steel that is easily, yes, easily made to a sharp point or edge that is mimicked over and over yearly by new gimmicks. The key is that who pays biggest in marketing will have those who will follow most. Look how people respond to Strider knives, some hate him and feel tough talking shit about him on internet, the other half swing off his balls with his brilliance of knife making? To me, both are dumb and dumber, they made a movie about it. In reality, the knife is a knife, it doesn't do anything special that any other knife will do. Soon, I will benefit from this.
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Again, its a shame that I can only like a post once!

Its not just Micky Burger, its the whole knife industry that has gone ape s--t crazy with he tacticool knife religion. A totally artificially stimulated market that thrives with the Kardashian way of fame. The worship of certain brands that come out with the new steel of the month, to a mildly reshaped model as a new model just to stimulate sales is nothing short of P.T. Barnum.

All a knife maker has to do is get an article or even a cover pic on one of the knife magazines that are the shills of the knife manufactures and sales will soar. Or just get Mark Harmon to flash a new knife on his show and the kids in General will go ape over the new pattern of tiger stripes on the blade and have to have one just like it.

Its all about sales, not knives. And the knife forums are partners in it.

Thank you jeepseahawk for the great post.
 
timberweasel said:
Whenever a Strider thread comes up, I think it's completely fair (perhaps even obligatory) for someone to mention the McBurger controversy because it really does matter to some--like me. But I don't think it's fair for the thread to devolve into a "Mick is a POS" rant and heckle participants out of an earnest discussion on the knives to the point of thread lock--every single time. I think it just pushes forumites to other sites where they do worship Mick's bullshit.

Just my 2¢
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I like it, myself. Every single time, I enjoy it just as much because in addition to being entertaining it's functional. Haven't you noticed how many times in those devolved into a "Strider is a stolen valor POS" that someone posts "I did not know that, thanks"? I found the truth about him here, as have so many other before and since. It's totally functional.

FWIW even if Mickey Mouseburger wasn't a POS, the knives have had plenty of issues too. From personal experience literally 3 out of 4 SNGs that I handled had lock rock, one with vertical play that made the lock bar click and shift when you put pressure on it. Add the combination of finger choil + giant sharpening choil and the sycophantic cult following at the other place to that list as well.

The Internet is big enough for there to be at least one knife forum where you're allowed to give opinions other than ego-stroking compliments to makers who launched their knife making careers on a pack of lies.
 
evilgreg said:
I like it, myself. Every single time, I enjoy it just as much because in addition to being entertaining it's functional. Haven't you noticed how many times in those devolved into a "Strider is a stolen valor POS" that someone posts "I did not know that, thanks"? I found the truth about him here, as have so many other before and since. It's totally functional.

FWIW even if Mickey Mouseburger wasn't a POS, the knives have had plenty of issues too. From personal experience literally 3 out of 4 SNGs that I handled had lock rock, one with vertical play that made the lock bar click and shift when you put pressure on it. Add the combination of finger choil + giant sharpening choil and the sycophantic cult following at the other place to that list as well.

The Internet is big enough for there to be at least one knife forum where you're allowed to give opinions other than ego-stroking compliments to makers who launched their knife making careers on a pack of lies.
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*Edit: we are not in disagreement.
 
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I got away from tacticals and went back to traditional knives a while ago. I just don't care for the designs, execution of designs, and the marketing. I'm not and never will be a Special Forces/Military Contractor/Secret Squirrel operator. My knives need to cut and do it every time I need cutting done. I'm not impressed by strange blade shapes, exotic grinds, or endorsements by "special operators". Cowboys, welders, gardeners, butchers, and construction workers are more in line with my knife use.
 
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