STRIDER BT Destruction Test Video completed.

Hey Noss, you tested the penetration of the Strider but penetration means first to pierce an object with a normal force.I seriously doub how much yellow pages a Strider can penetrate.A real dagger WWI (trench fighting) gets trough leather ammo pouch, leather belt, leather jacket and a lot of other gear.The point of the Strider may be strong but it won't make a long way.Certainly if you have not the possibility to put full power on your strike.
 
deovolens said:
Hey Noss, you tested the penetration of the Strider but penetration means first to pierce an object with a normal force.I seriously doub how much yellow pages a Strider can penetrate.A real dagger WWI (trench fighting) gets trough leather ammo pouch, leather belt, leather jacket and a lot of other gear.The point of the Strider may be strong but it won't make a long way.Certainly if you have not the possibility to put full power on your strike.
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True, however My best guess is WWI trench dagger would have a very hard time being driving into concrete. I know the Cold Steel would have because the
tip kept bending when I was hammering into the chair.

When I test a dagger we will see.
 
Couple points missed:
1. you did no real world tests so your videos are pointless
2. Your dangerous
3. I am glad you did not receive a trip to the hospital
4. T1mpani rocks! :thumbup:
 
I think the name calling of noss4 and the personal attacks are ridiculous and I'm surprised the people doing it haven't been banned. If you don't think his tests offer you any useful information than go try to find better tests some where else. The fact is there aren't many visual tests like this so for many of us it's fun to watch. I know the things he does are extreme, but you can learn some things here and there about how these knives respond to certain siutations. I was impressed when I saw what kind of abuse the KaBar took and it made me want to buy one. I still might, but I want to see more tests to see how other knives hold up. I know I'd never buy that Strider model because it didn't seem to slice or chop well at all. That may not be what that model was designed for, but now I know it wasn't designed for that and wouldn't buy one thinking it would make a good knife to take into the woods.

I appreciate anyone who spends their own money on a knife and makes a video of them trying out different things with it. It would be pretty boring to watch all these knives be used properly to baton wood and never have any of them break or show damage.

I'd also support noss putting ads on his site or taking donations if he were to use the revenue to buy more knives to test.
 
WadeF said:
I think the name calling of noss4 and the personal attacks are ridiculous and I'm surprised the people doing it haven't been banned. If you don't think his tests offer you any useful information than go try to find better tests some where else. The fact is there aren't many visual tests like this so for many of us it's fun to watch. I know the things he does are extreme, but you can learn some things here and there about how these knives respond to certain siutations. I was impressed when I saw what kind of abuse the KaBar took and it made me want to buy one. I still might, but I want to see more tests to see how other knives hold up. I know I'd never buy that Strider model because it didn't seem to slice or chop well at all. That may not be what that model was designed for, but now I know it wasn't designed for that and wouldn't buy one thinking it would make a good knife to take into the woods.

I appreciate anyone who spends their own money on a knife and makes a video of them trying out different things with it. It would be pretty boring to watch all these knives be used properly to baton wood and never have any of them break or show damage.

I'd also support noss putting ads on his site or taking donations if he were to use the revenue to buy more knives to test.
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Excellent post! I totally agree!
If anyone does not like the test why he wants to discuss it?
Keep up the good job noss!
 
coyotesniper69 said:
Couple points missed:
1. you did no real world tests so your videos are pointless
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As I have previously explained, what Mr. Noss4 is doing here is a sort of crude form of what engineers call "overstress testing," or "highly accelerated life testing."

Of course the tests are not "real world," they're not intended to be. The tests are intended to deliberately overstress the knife in order to accelerate the aging of the knife. In this way, we can try to get some idea of how the knife will stand up to years and years of "real world" use, but get that idea in just a couple of hours. There is a lot of validity in this sort of testing.

Imagine that you're Ford Motor Company. You've just completed the design of a new car. You want to bring that car to market to recoupe the investment in its design and make the profit that you need to pay your employees and investors. But, to sell the car competitively, you have to offer a five-year, 60,000 mile, comprehensive warranty. A lot can go wrong in five years. You could loose your socks on that warranty. You could build a few dozen prototypes, give them to some people, and let them drive them for five years to see how they hold up. But that would delay your product launch for five years. You can't do that. So, you have to find some way to put five years worth of wear onto that car in five weeks. It can be done and done with pretty good accuracy. And it's not done by driving the car on smooth pavement at 55MPH. No. It's done by abusing the car in ways that are not "real world." The purpose of these tests in not to simulate "real world" usage. The purpose of these tests is to accelerate the aging of the car, accelerate its failure, in order to quickly gauge its quality and reliability both of its materials and construction and also of its design.

Mr. Noss4 is trying to do something like this for knives.

I'm an electrical engineer. We often try to accelerate the aging of products by running them at elevated temperatures. We have decades of data showing that X hours at Y temperature is equivalent to Z hours at normal room temperature. We use those data to estimate how long we have to run at what temperature to simulate the desired life of the product. The product may very well not be intended or designed to operate at the higher temperature; that's not "real world." We don't operate the product in an oven (literally -- a very expensive, fancy oven) to simulate "real world" operations. We do it in order to accelerate the aging of the product in order to quickly gauge its quality and reliability both of its materials and construction and also of its design.

The underlying concept of Mr. Noss4's approach is much the same. Chopping 4x4s with a knife is not "real world." But, chopping through X number of 4x4s may be equivalent to Z hours spend hacking through underbrush where Z may be a very large number. And so chopping the 4x4s, which can be done in minutes, accelerates the life of the knife allowing us to quickly gauge how the knife will stand up to Z hours of "real world" usage.

The problem here is that the electronics industry has decades of data to go on. The US Military, Bell Labs, the avionics industry, the aerospace industry, have all invested countless millions of dollars to accumulate those data. The knife industry doesn't have that yet. Mr. Noss4 is, actually, making some preliminary stabs (pun intended) at building that database. He is, in my opinion, actually making some pretty good starts.

Obviously, the man has some resources. My hope is that he'll start to focus those resources not just on destroying knives, but on actually trying to accumulate some data, to destroy the knives in a controlled and purposefull way that might eventually lead to better accelerated life testing for knives.

I see Mr. Noss4 as a potential pioneer in that area and I hope he'll adopt that approach.
 
It is absolutely critical that everyone get over the instinctive emotional response that you suffer when you see a knife break. This reaction is especially strong if it's a knife to which you have chosen to ascribe almost fanatical religious allegiance to.

The fact that a knife fails in this sort of overstress testing does not mean it's a bad knife. The test are deliberately designed to induce failure. Failure is not, in and of itself, bad or dishonorable.

I, for one, was very impressed with how the Strider held up. I thought it gave a very good showing.

The ultimate failure was a surprise to me. I would very much like to have the broken parts examined under an electronmicrscope. Metal failures have been studied and studies and experts can very accurately determine what caused such a failure. Off hand, my guess is that a microcrack propagated in the metal because of all of the pounding and ultimately caused that rather surprising failure. The cost of having that study done would be approximately the same as buying another knife and would, IMHO, be a better use of the money.
 
there are just too many posts to wade through so i'll ask even if it's already been asked...

why not use a rubber mallet? i think the hammer whacking on the spine is what did in the strider and perhaps the other knives. i think changing to the rubber mallet would prolong these tests and we get to see how much abuse it can take by cutting or stabbing various materials but not by hammer strikes to the spine. imo the strider definitely broke because of the hammer.
 
madfast said:
why not use a rubber mallet?
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Using hammer is somewhat more realistic I think. If I can't find any wood to use as a baton in the wilderness but happen to find a big rock to pound on the spine, that's what I'm going to use. That aside, I was let down by seeing Becker 9" snap so easily, perhaps the heat treat was off on that one. He should deffinately consider re-testing it or see how BK7 would hold up to similar abuse.
 
Lets see, what did i learn from your video...

Contrary to Cobalt, I think the BT did excellently, The BT isnt designed as a chopper and it did well, it obviously can seperate patio stones if you need to, it can covertly deanimate a chair and desk drawer... and it breaks off camera.

I liked the costumes, it gives you a little flavor in your testing and i thought it was pretty funny. Im not sure how "real world" your testing is but you proved that the BT is a tough SOB, so go you.

I really wish you had caught the break on camera... for obvious reasons.
 
noss4 said:
Up next is a extreme spear test with the COLD STEEL BUSHMAN


I still trying to decide on other knives to test based on forum users
suggestions and popularity and of course controversy.
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Well now that is easy.
Busse!
Tops!
Ranger!
And the king of "controversy."
Maddog!!!
 
Gollnick said:
I, for one, was very impressed with how the Strider held up. I thought it gave a very good showing.
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Exactly, it took alot of abuse, it might have not held up to the prying test, but it was amazing in the stabbing test. Also it wasn't that brittle as you can see him wrenching it in and out of the wood.

Same thing with the Ka-bar USMC, it eventually failed like all things with do under extreme abuse, I use the knife a fair bit and obviously not to any level that noss4 pushed it. Under normal-heavy usages it's a fine knife.

I like these tests and hope to see more, it also shows how a blade should be designed, the Ka-bar again for instance would be a much better knife if the tang into handle part was thicker.

There is alot of good, and alot of cheap (for me anyways) entertainment.
 
darkestthicket said:
Lets see, what did i learn from your video...

Contrary to Cobalt, I think the BT did excellently, The BT isnt designed as a chopper and it did well, it obviously can seperate patio stones if you need to, it can covertly deanimate a chair and desk drawer... and it breaks off camera.
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my criticism was meant to be constructive. First of all, Noss goes out and destroys several knives first. From the begining of each test he starts hammering the knives with a metal hammer on the spine. The knives last through 5-7 10 minute segments before being destroyed.

He then hypes up the Strider destruction test. But when he goes to run it through it's paces he drives it at 65 miles an hour instead of all out. I just am writing to what I see.

Count the number of minutes that it took to destroy the other knives from the first video to the end when he starts using a metal hammer.

Then count the minutes that it takes the strider to break under spinal hammer hits.

The difference is stagering.

IMO the other knives did far better in both cutting and toughness than the strider, of that there is no doubt. The video is the proof.

As for the metal chair. Noss, if you think that chair is tough then you have not seen what tanto point knives can do. Most knife point tests are done through diamond plate which is much tougher than that chair.

Basically that knife is a chisel as it has awefull cutting geometry. It will be strong since it is a full saber grind to near the edge of 1/4 inch steel. It has to be strong.

The Kabar Bowie was 1/4 inch thick flat ground knife with 10 times better cutting geometry. And there is no doubt in my mind that the steel is tougher.

Again these are my observations. I have nothing against or for Strider, just calling the video as I see it.
 
Entertaining tests at the very least. I see no harm in them and am curious to see how additional knives fare. As long as the tests are done under the same conditions for each knife (whether they're real-world or not), we can see how one stacks up to another....
 
now if you could only test at least 30 more in exactly the same way, then you would have a real test--that is of course assuming each blade is exactly the same.
 
darkestthicket said:
Not intended as an insult, i just differ in opinion Cobalt ;)
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no problem :thumbup: That's what this forum is all about. I only offer my view as constructive criticism. Noss can choose to do what he wants, since it is he who is doing this test.

I also appreciate what he did as I think that many people that normally would not have bought a Cold Steel Bushman, now own one thanks to him.

I have yet to watch the becker test. Beckers steel is excellent and I would expect it to do well in spite of it's super thin cutting geometry.
 
im interested in seeing the becker vid when i get home also, might persuade me to buy a becker. lol. Noss seems to be good at breaking stuff (though sometimes not on camera, cough cough) but i think he should do things that you might actually use the knife for, pry some hardwood for gods sake, dont stab desk drawers, how often will you EVER have to do that? lol.
 
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