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Strider Knives, Game Over!
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thanks for being the internet police , yes that was me , and I called Spark on the phone BEFORE setting up this account. Feel free to verify with Spark if you like... my new account is my name. But hey thanks for questioning my honor .
oh and my birthname is John T Wylie III , I changed it to Jr , as dad always called me Jr , it was done legally too... feel free to verify that as well.
now back to your regular scheduled witch hunt
Well, I sure feel like an ass now, and rightfully so!
Let my stupidity serve as a warning not make assumptions. John, I sincerely apologize!Regards,
3G
Yes, Sir. I agree and I am sorry for jumping to the conclusion I did.
Regards,
3G
Ok, so we have 400+ posts (Lord help us! ), no resolution of this matter, and I've lost valuable minutes of my life reading this back-and-forth drama 
. Despite the size of the thread, I thank the OP for posting the additional information. I admit that the first post casts further doubt on Strider Knives.
Do I own any Strider knives? No. Do they make good knives? It seems so, based on the comments in this and other threads. Am I going to buy any of their knives any time soon? Not a chance.
That's what it boils down to folks. If I can get a "hard use knife" from a company with a solid reputation (and there are plenty out there), versus one from a company with multiple accusations, I'll always pick the former. Like the President of my organization is fond of saying, "If it's a choice between revenue and integrity, then integrity wins every time."
- Mark
), no resolution of this matter, and I've lost valuable minutes of my life reading this back-and-forth drama . Despite the size of the thread, I thank the OP for posting the additional information. I admit that the first post casts further doubt on Strider Knives.Do I own any Strider knives? No. Do they make good knives? It seems so, based on the comments in this and other threads. Am I going to buy any of their knives any time soon? Not a chance.
That's what it boils down to folks. If I can get a "hard use knife" from a company with a solid reputation (and there are plenty out there), versus one from a company with multiple accusations, I'll always pick the former. Like the President of my organization is fond of saying, "If it's a choice between revenue and integrity, then integrity wins every time."
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Well, I sure feel like an ass now, and rightfully so!
Yes, Sir. I agree and I am sorry for jumping to the conclusion I did.
It's not like you could have known. He's one of 2 people who've actually have called and apologized for their behavior over the years and made a fresh start. That's all I ever asked from anyone who's ever done wrong on this site; man up, do the right thing, fulfill your obligations and make a clean break.
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All is well , apology accepted sir.
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Thank you, Spark. John seems like a stand up guy.
Thank you, John. I really appreciate it.
Regards,
3G
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You work for Spyderco?
Two things:
1.) I think, the "knife world" is by and large pretty exceptional as he could be working just as well for BRKT, or New Graham or a whole number of other knife related outfits.
2.) I don't think a "solution" to the problem at hand is necessary. The last word concerning the Strider owners is certainly not spoken and it is unlikely that it will be any of us to do so. I think, however, that the evidence is strong enough by now, that the discussion of the topic should be legitimate and that someone who is raising questions or collecting and presenting evidence should not have to be afraid of being (verbally) beaten down or should have to tolerate being called a "witchhunter" or endure personal attacks. And personally, I think this tread has come a LOOONG way with lots of progress. Again, by and large, I see people communicating with each other, arguing hard, but with the occasional exception (which is hardly avoidable in such an emotional thread), still pretty civil. In particular in the latter part of this thread. Comparing this, to the last thread on this topic, it seems to me, A LOT of progress has been made.
I think anyone trying to squash things like this should consider that it is very important to many folks and not to just a few people but many that are honored veterans as well as knife nuts.
John brought up something earlier that is another very good point to consider and swallow because it makes this thread worthwhile.
Mick's words here describe the situation and also more than this they describe his knowledge that nothing really makes his knives stand out anymore than anyone elses knives as better or more deserving of someones hard earned money. That is until you paint the background of the makers in behind the knives.
Then you have this situation where in a side by side comparison with someone elses knives bidding for a contract, oh lets say a military contract or just a single customer trying to decide on which knife he wants to buy, what it means is when the knives they are allowed to handle are equal and nothing else can be found to base a decision on then the deciding factor is going to be something like, 'yeah, all the knives are great, we/I really like the Reeves entry, and we/I like the Emersons and we/I really like yours but we're/I'm going to support my Ranger brother' here or I'm going to support my 'confirmed kill sniper scout' friend over your brand. Although this is hypothetical its something that has come up in private talk quite often and I think its another of many reasons that makes this an important issue to resolve personally. If you think that background history would not mean something to a veteran think again. It most certainly has.
Nothing makes the Strider line stand out anymore than the line from another company making similar knives but the history of the makers has helped put them ahead of the pack. If that history is not accurate we have every right to know since they took every liberty to show us that history to promote the knives they make.
EDIT: To add Mary from POWnetworks reply regarding the link being down to the actual records for Duane.
"Many files are failing to load suddenly. We have had so many frauds we exceeded our server space. We are working with IT to try and get this fixed DESPITE it being Christmas.
The records are attached.... The links will work as soon as the added space is made avail.
Mary"
STR
I am not going to add to the he said she said, and I do not care AT ALL about perpetuating drama, quite frankly, but STR, since you seem to be in the loop and seriously rooted int his one sided debate ( we all know neither Mick nor Duane will post in this drivel) where did "Mary" get his social security number from?
I am fairly certain it was illegally, because surely he would not give over this information himself.
in my opinion POW (to me that is POW like a cannon sound because their website demeans the names and memories of veterans and actual soldiers missing in action) is a non worthy reference source as most of their information is hearsay as well.
Ron LaBella Jr.
I am fairly certain it was illegally, because surely he would not give over this information himself.
in my opinion POW (to me that is POW like a cannon sound because their website demeans the names and memories of veterans and actual soldiers missing in action) is a non worthy reference source as most of their information is hearsay as well.
Ron LaBella Jr.
The POWnetwork.org folks have responded to me within 12 hours of writing them each time I've asked something which is only twice now Ron. Why ask me? I have no idea? I am also not really as you say, 'in the loop' or in the know about any of this and not behind any of what has gone on here. I have nothing to do with it other than being a curious vet myself and a fan of the knives themselves and also someone that has owned several of them and Buck Striders as well.
I don't feel I should have to justify to you or anyone else why I ask or post here, and I certainly don't want to cause a war between us over my comments on Christmas eve to you but I include that just for the record. We have learned a lot here in this thread and while I may not agree with all of it or some of the slants both witch hunt type slants and loyal blind support type, I think its been worthwhile because a lot of information, new information in fact, has been shared here. This does not have to be a one sided debate at all. Obviously if Strider supportive folks like yourself come here its not. I feel I've been very supportive also. I think the reason it may be seen as one sided is because the blind supporters of both Mick and Duane seem to take offense so easily and start placing blame or redirecting focus to things that have nothing to do with this topic. Mostly from what I've seen they come here with the attitude of 'how dare you question' which is generally the very way they were when I resigned from Mick's forum for having the gall to actually ask if the accusations were true or not when everyone saw me as the trouble maker for simply trying to find out. Can we agree that if this whole topic was focused on Lynn Thompson and questioning his background or claims or even myself that all of the fans of Strider or you would react the same way as you do for this situation? I have a lot of trouble believing that personally. I think the general take from the guys supporting Strider in this situation would be reversed if it were Lynn and they would be very much like those unattached to the situation here if not really on the so called witch hunt. I do not for one second think that POWnetwork.org would treat Lynn or myself any differently than they have Mick or Duane though.
Sometimes you need to stand back and try to view things objectively. I think I am probably in a better position to do that since I do not know Duane personally but have simply admired his distinquished service and trusted it as being legitimate. Like many though I took the words of his friends that vouched for him and you know what? Apparently they don't know for sure either. If they do they certainly haven't helped out. Here is a thought. As a friend why not ask Duane and Mick to sign releases for their military records like President Bush and John Kerry were asked to do so they can settle this whole issue? I mean if they have nothing to hide they should not be the least bit concerned about it. These are very legitimate questions and certainly not out of line to ask. Personally I have never seen such a group take offense at such an issue when they can't say they know the facts anymore than POWnetwork can and they are seeking them out. The fans and supporters base all their take on emotional attachment and trust. Trust is great. But even children get questioned all the time by their trusting parents.
I would also suggest taking up any of your feelings about the POWnetwork web site regarding how they demean the names and memories of veterans and actual soldiers missing in action and how they are a non worthy reference source with them directly. Again I know nothing about that. I've been told they are quite legitimate and have actually helped stop a lot of con men that have quite serious charges pending as well as others that have been institutionalized for their crimes.
Merry Christmas and please don't read into anything I'm typing here like there is an underlying tone. I don't know you and really do not intend to come across in a bad way at all. I prayed last night that Duane's name would come out of this scott free and also hope that should he read this that he know I have no ill will toward him. I don't expect to ever be accepted or even shake his hand but these concerns are more widespread than just our little sub forum. Anyone that hears it is taken aback I'm sure. These guys need to fix what will not heal by covering it up and acting all high and mighty. That just won't stop these threads from reoccurring. I think we know that now.
PS> I have edited heavily to correct a few things that stood out to me and also to add some additional thoughts. Sorry for the length but its my last post in this thread this year. Have a good holidays guys.
STR
I don't feel I should have to justify to you or anyone else why I ask or post here, and I certainly don't want to cause a war between us over my comments on Christmas eve to you but I include that just for the record. We have learned a lot here in this thread and while I may not agree with all of it or some of the slants both witch hunt type slants and loyal blind support type, I think its been worthwhile because a lot of information, new information in fact, has been shared here. This does not have to be a one sided debate at all. Obviously if Strider supportive folks like yourself come here its not. I feel I've been very supportive also. I think the reason it may be seen as one sided is because the blind supporters of both Mick and Duane seem to take offense so easily and start placing blame or redirecting focus to things that have nothing to do with this topic. Mostly from what I've seen they come here with the attitude of 'how dare you question' which is generally the very way they were when I resigned from Mick's forum for having the gall to actually ask if the accusations were true or not when everyone saw me as the trouble maker for simply trying to find out. Can we agree that if this whole topic was focused on Lynn Thompson and questioning his background or claims or even myself that all of the fans of Strider or you would react the same way as you do for this situation? I have a lot of trouble believing that personally. I think the general take from the guys supporting Strider in this situation would be reversed if it were Lynn and they would be very much like those unattached to the situation here if not really on the so called witch hunt. I do not for one second think that POWnetwork.org would treat Lynn or myself any differently than they have Mick or Duane though.
Sometimes you need to stand back and try to view things objectively. I think I am probably in a better position to do that since I do not know Duane personally but have simply admired his distinquished service and trusted it as being legitimate. Like many though I took the words of his friends that vouched for him and you know what? Apparently they don't know for sure either. If they do they certainly haven't helped out. Here is a thought. As a friend why not ask Duane and Mick to sign releases for their military records like President Bush and John Kerry were asked to do so they can settle this whole issue? I mean if they have nothing to hide they should not be the least bit concerned about it. These are very legitimate questions and certainly not out of line to ask. Personally I have never seen such a group take offense at such an issue when they can't say they know the facts anymore than POWnetwork can and they are seeking them out. The fans and supporters base all their take on emotional attachment and trust. Trust is great. But even children get questioned all the time by their trusting parents.
I would also suggest taking up any of your feelings about the POWnetwork web site regarding how they demean the names and memories of veterans and actual soldiers missing in action and how they are a non worthy reference source with them directly. Again I know nothing about that. I've been told they are quite legitimate and have actually helped stop a lot of con men that have quite serious charges pending as well as others that have been institutionalized for their crimes.
Merry Christmas and please don't read into anything I'm typing here like there is an underlying tone. I don't know you and really do not intend to come across in a bad way at all. I prayed last night that Duane's name would come out of this scott free and also hope that should he read this that he know I have no ill will toward him. I don't expect to ever be accepted or even shake his hand but these concerns are more widespread than just our little sub forum. Anyone that hears it is taken aback I'm sure. These guys need to fix what will not heal by covering it up and acting all high and mighty. That just won't stop these threads from reoccurring. I think we know that now.
PS> I have edited heavily to correct a few things that stood out to me and also to add some additional thoughts. Sorry for the length but its my last post in this thread this year. Have a good holidays guys.
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Outstanding post, STR, as is usual for you! You have always been fair and objective in your dealings with me, even when I've been out of line with you (just like I was with John a few posts ago), and I appreciate it. Once again you have managed to accurately, and quite eloquently, convey my sentiments, and I'm sure, the sentiments of many other knife enthusiasts like me.
All we're asking for is the truth. And we certainly have a right to it. For example, I have in front of me an issue of Tactical Knives, from May of 1999. It has an article entitled, "Hard-Core Strider! As Tough As They Come!" The article was written by W. W. Wright. In it, Wright stated that Duane Dwyer was a graduate of the USMC Scout/Sniper School, the USMC Urban Sniper Course, and the USMC Sniper Instructor School, as well as having cross-trained with Naval Special Warfare Personnel (SEALs), the British Royal Marines, British SAS, Israeli Defense Forces, South Korean ROK Marines, the Danish Military Police, the French Foreign Legion, and the South African Defense Forces. In addition, Wright stated that Dwyer worked in collaboration with Federal Law Enforcement on drug interdiction operations. Wright also stated that Dwyer served as an Observer/Advisor in the former Yugoslavian Republic, and in Central and South America.
I'd really like to know the truth about all of those claims! Wouldn't you?
Regards & Merry Christmas,
3G
All we're asking for is the truth. And we certainly have a right to it. For example, I have in front of me an issue of Tactical Knives, from May of 1999. It has an article entitled, "Hard-Core Strider! As Tough As They Come!" The article was written by W. W. Wright. In it, Wright stated that Duane Dwyer was a graduate of the USMC Scout/Sniper School, the USMC Urban Sniper Course, and the USMC Sniper Instructor School, as well as having cross-trained with Naval Special Warfare Personnel (SEALs), the British Royal Marines, British SAS, Israeli Defense Forces, South Korean ROK Marines, the Danish Military Police, the French Foreign Legion, and the South African Defense Forces. In addition, Wright stated that Dwyer worked in collaboration with Federal Law Enforcement on drug interdiction operations. Wright also stated that Dwyer served as an Observer/Advisor in the former Yugoslavian Republic, and in Central and South America.
I'd really like to know the truth about all of those claims! Wouldn't you?
Regards & Merry Christmas,
3G
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I've read the stuff about Mick, and now Duane (not the company, but these two men). I own two Strider knives, an SMF and an SNG. The SNG was sent in to Strider for a repair and some cosmetic treatments, the latter having nothing to do with the performance of the knife. This being one of the most expensive knives I have so far, I was very keen on knowing its exact whereabouts. I spoke and emailed with the shop foreman in the Strider shop, a member on here and several other forums ran interference for me with Mick and another shop employee, and, I got my knife back, and I am very pleased with it. I have only done business with this company once, would do so again. What I was first told from the start, was that they would take care of me, and they did. The same top notch service that I have received from Benchmade, SOG and Spyderco, three big companies I have sent knives back in for cosmetic or repair purposes.
This is my experience with the company. I am not a blind homer, just an admirer of their tools and have been very happy with their customer service.
Merry Christmas!
This is my experience with the company. I am not a blind homer, just an admirer of their tools and have been very happy with their customer service.
Merry Christmas!
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Can you post an exact quote from the article or possibly scan the relevant material and post it as a picture?
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Wow, I did not know that Duane was so well trained.......Wow!!!
If it's true then the man is as trained as they come. If it's false then it is some of the most prolific bullshit I have ever read............ever!!
if I had a verifiable background like that and I was being called a liar and a Poser I would upload just a few Certificates and call us all &^*$%$%$^&### and Mother^&^^&*&^$ and tell us all to get F&*&(#.
But that is me and not Duane I guess. Duane must have emotions of steel to not let this all bother him enough to show some proof that POWNET is all wrong and we all engaged in a witch hunt.
Or maybe he just cannot prove he is what he says he is...............
Merry Christmas all!!
If it's true then the man is as trained as they come. If it's false then it is some of the most prolific bullshit I have ever read............ever!!
if I had a verifiable background like that and I was being called a liar and a Poser I would upload just a few Certificates and call us all &^*$%$%$^&### and Mother^&^^&*&^$ and tell us all to get F&*&(#.
But that is me and not Duane I guess. Duane must have emotions of steel to not let this all bother him enough to show some proof that POWNET is all wrong and we all engaged in a witch hunt.
Or maybe he just cannot prove he is what he says he is...............
Merry Christmas all!!
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