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Strider Knives, Game Over!

Discussion in 'FEEDBACK: The Good, The Bad, The Ugly!' started by Bubbanumber1, Dec 16, 2007.

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  1. Spark

    Spark HPIC - Hatas gonna Hate Staff Member Administrator Super Mod Moderator

    Oct 2, 1998
    So let me get this straight. POWNetwork posts scans of FOIA requests for service records, and it's hearsay, not valid documentation. Some dude says they steal people's actual service records and it's gospel? What a backwards world.
     
  2. Tamishigiri

    Tamishigiri

    667
    Aug 22, 1999
    Figure it out for yourselves...
     
  3. RWS

    RWS Gold Member Gold Member

    Jul 10, 2003
    I'm not interested in reading pages of this rehashed thread so I'll ask this simple question that may have already been asked and maybe it's already been done.

    Why doesn't someone just call Duane and ask him about this and see what he says?
     
  4. Keith Montgomery

    Keith Montgomery

    May 9, 2000
    Would you do it?
     
  5. Jim G.

    Jim G.

    840
    Oct 2, 2006
    Spark, I havn't seen any scan of Duanes service records, his is down and has been since right after this started, supposidly due to a server problem. It must be the only record on the server as every other link in someones name at POWNETWORK seems to work.
    (I really hope someone here was able to save a copy of the PDF prior to it going down, just to compare it to what actually comes back up.)

    I am not claiming that what I posted is accurate, I went to great length and posted it top and bottom that I had not personally vetted the info.

    I have repeatedly asked Bubbnumber1 to post the info and sources HE personally used to vet the story on POWNETWOK and was attacked for it by him. He still hasn't been able to.
    When the last thread was going you were able to say and show exactly where and what documents and information you were basing the claims on. It wasn't just a cut and paste with nothing to back it up.

    Hey Bubba, I see you conviently FORGOT to mention the fact that both those penciled in changes were legitimate and showed up when POWNETWORK pulled his records with out his permission.
    And I guess the lawsuit that was dismissed when the VET FINALLY DIED is all BS to.

    And the fact that they are going after VETS with PTSD now is alright with you. They obviously can diagnose and recognise mental illness much better than trained doctors. Lets go from being an orginization that helps find POWs and MIA, s and occasionally outing someone with stolen valor to an orginization that activly challenges disabled vets with PTSD and harrasses them. I guess these vets havn't given enough for their country, now they need to fight for their benifits when they are at their weakest and most vulnurable.
     
  6. Spark

    Spark HPIC - Hatas gonna Hate Staff Member Administrator Super Mod Moderator

    Oct 2, 1998
    AFAIK it went down on the 23rd due to "server issues" past that I have no knowledge. It'll be interesting to see what happens if it doesn't come back up.

    Yep, that one fella that was mentioned earlier as being "wrongly targeted" wound up convicted in Federal Court. Google his name and there's a press release from the DOJ about his sentencing.

    From what I've seen on the POW site, there's plenty of cut & paste with links. Fair enough though, I can understand asking for more proof. I'd like to see the scans from that issue of Tactical Knives.

    Are they going after all vets with PTSD, or people who are claiming it fraudulently? Big difference there.
     
  7. Cougar Allen

    Cougar Allen Buccaneer (ret.) Gold Member

    Oct 9, 1998
    Huh? Does Bubbanumber1 have any involvement in this beyond being the one who happened to see the entry at pownetwork first? Does he know anything beyond what was posted at pownetwork? :confused:

    That's a good point. When Spark prepared his post about Mick Strider he anticipated questions and answered just about every possible question in his first post. When pownetwork posted their entry about Duane they only posted some of the claims Duane has made and the actual military record they obtained from the Pentagon. They omitted to explain how they connected the current Duane Dwyer to the Marine Duane Poland.
     
  8. Jim G.

    Jim G.

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    Oct 2, 2006
    From the few people I know who have been diagnosed with it. It is not a simple process to go through to get that diagnosis and the corrosponding benifits that go along with it. If people are collecting fraudulent benifits, they need to be stopped. Since medical records can not be gotten with a FOIA request though, I wonder how they are managing to review these peoples medical records.

    Maby they should be putting the effort and resources used to go after the real vets, into fighting to get the system that supposidly lets 1000's upon 1000's ( by their claims) file fradulent claims, so that it dosn't continue into the future.
     
  9. DXC

    DXC

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    Dec 20, 2004
    Lance, that is an assumption not in fact.
     
  10. Gene Martin

    Gene Martin

    Feb 5, 1999
    I note that Jere Beery's letter demanding an apol;ogy was dated 2006. None has been forthcoming. He also apparently has a history of attacking veteran organizations. See http://gatheringofeagles.org/2007/0...ing-accusations-by-jere-beery-and-gene-simes/.

    From what I have read so far about the man, Beery, he has his own agenda and seems to be a bit far afield. I don't know, but I do know that, based on what I have read about him so far, I'd want to independently verify anything he said.

    We had a guy in the valley here who claimed he was Special Forces and had 800 confirmed kills. I kmnew he had to be a real man because he was born in 62 and Nam was over in &5, so his twop tours had to be almost pre teen. He fled here after a drug raid and ended up being killed after threatening someone's life, down in Costa Rica. He even took out a full page ad in the local paper saying he was going to kill the kid.

    Bottom line, when the kid killed him, the FBI got involved. Their press release said he had no military service.

    There's just too much of this that goes on.

    Gene
     
  11. RWS

    RWS Gold Member Gold Member

    Jul 10, 2003

    Yes, I would have no problem doing it IF I didn't think he wouldn't talk to a complete stranger about this......and that's exactly what I am. I'm not trying to weasel out of it here, but he's not going to talk to me.

    But, because the seriousness of these allegations are directed against his credibility, I would think that someone here who knows him or is acquainted with him, or maybe even a good customer of Strider, might be curious enough by contacting Duane to get a first hand response from him about this.
     
  12. wolfmann601

    wolfmann601 Gone, but not forgotton. RIP Ira.

    Mar 12, 2001
    I have yet to see the records posted on Pownet. All I have seen is the list of alias and a bunch of posts from different forums.
    As soon as the problem is fixed on Pownet I WILL read the accurate, unquestioned not just because Lance says it is so record.

    I have never met Duane, never talked to Duane, never even posted any type of response in the same thread as he might have started or posted in. I own no Strider knives am persona non-gratis on one of Strider's favorite forums and have never been to a knife show they were at so I have no dog in this fight.

    Everything and anything about Duane I have gleaned is from what has been posted on the internet. As soon as I see his actual military records and see for myself he never did what he said he did I will then know for myself that it's all been bullpoopie.

    Anyone here save it????
     
  13. Michelle

    Michelle

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    Nov 7, 2003
    Lance. As in Lance Harrison...... Kevin McClungs number one... whatever.... Interesting that he has entered the fray here, yes? mmmmmmmmmm... not so much.

    Of course. Anyone familiar with the aforemention folks save EVERYTHING because, it can change on a dime. And ALWAYS does...

    I've got it downloaded. As do others.

    I gotta tell you.... the whole "our server is overloaded right now and that's why this ONE record out of many THOUSANDS isn't loading right now" is beyond weak. Something is very wrong there. Good to know Mary Schantag is not above lying. What a SHOCKER.... not.

    Sorry for all of those that hate my avatar. Will change it post haste.

    I promised someone that I would NOT get involved in this thread. It has been hard to not do so.... but today, I just couldn't help myself... With good reason and consent.

    Good show Lance! Lets go!

    m1
     
  14. Bubbanumber1

    Bubbanumber1

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    Nov 28, 2005

    Michelle, please tell us all about it, give us your side of the story. You as a representative of Strider Knives should have the facts. Now you have called Mary Schantag a liar, How is she is a liar?

    Was Duane a Marine Sniper?

    Whats the big deal? Can you answer one single yes or no question?​
     
  15. RWS

    RWS Gold Member Gold Member

    Jul 10, 2003
    Michelle, why don't you ask Duane about these discrepancies between what he says and what they say about his true military career and let us know what he thinks?

    It would seem to me that someone as highly respected as Duane by the community, the military, law enforcement and his customers and who has worked very hard to cultivate such a huge following for his company would be very eager to clear up this extremely damaging attack on his credibility (especially after the Mick Strider thing) as fast as possible by displaying his military records and showing everyone once and for all that those people attacking him are nothing but scumbags and are the real liars and not him.....wouldn't that be easy enough to do if in fact Duane's record is what he says it is?
     
  16. Justabuyer

    Justabuyer

    May 7, 2006
    I was not aware she was a rep. I thought she was a friend. Everybody understands the difference right?
     
  17. Spark

    Spark HPIC - Hatas gonna Hate Staff Member Administrator Super Mod Moderator

    Oct 2, 1998
    Justabuyer, maybe you'll know -

    What are the requirements to get into the USMC Scout / Sniper Association as an individual? Is it pretty much a given that anyone who has passed the Scout / sniper course would become a member?

    They have verification procedures in place right?
     
  18. STR

    STR Knifemaker/Moderator Moderator

    Aug 27, 2004
    I said I was done with this thread for the year so one good turn deserves another Michelle.

    I agree it appears to be a weak arguement on the server comment from Mary since it is seemingly just that one link that is down. I've noted this also. Rather puzzling if you buy it, rather easy to assume things if you don't. Is she a liar though? That is a bit harsh perhaps, and on the same lines as saying Duane is a liar and I don't feel comfortable saying that about either. I hate seeing it come from others too. We don't know this. I believe the jury is still out on a verdict on any of this and we are just debating it and looking at it trying to assess what it is. I'll adopt a wait and see attitude on this myself and recommend that approach over anymore assumptions.

    If I were inclined to assume some things it would be just as easy to assume that all those claims listed in that May 99 Tactical knives article for Duane would in all liklihood take longer than one and perhaps more than two tours of duty to attain. Some seem to feel that by the time one did all those things he or she would be pretty stupid to get out of the military because this is the kind of meritorious service you expect to see from a career military member. In other words if he had 8 to 10 years in service why not go for the other ten and retire with full pension? Most of the replies from other vets said it is not something usually attributed to someone that gets in and out of the service when you see something that outstanding. Certainly overseeing anything as a supervisor indicates a long term member in that stage of development and training where he or she would have managerial skills. I find it hard to believe all that list could be done in a single three or four year contract of enlistment. I believe in two it could be done but you'd have to luck out and be near some NATO allies to jointly train in the same place during some exercises or war games to get all that under your belt I think. Its easy to assume a lot there if you let yourself get into it.

    For example, by the time you add up all the training time to get that list under your belt, when would the member have time for any real work if he only served three or four years? When you add this in with the fact that we must remember Duane was 35 or 36 years old during this time of that article which means he was even younger when all this took place it looks like a whole lot to have under ones belt for that young age. Its a lot for anyone from 46 to 50 years old to have anything remotely similar to that after retirement from active duty according to some I've asked without telling them who it was claiming it. One of them is a retired Brig. General with 30 years in. I'd also say its certainly justified in asking for some verification of those things being claimed, particularly before any employment was given for something where that supposed training was being used for experience on a resume. I remind everyone that even the President was not above being asked to verify some of his military background, so why should someone else be above it? Is it really such a surprise when you see the kind of claims and write ups attributed to these two gentleman that someone finally asked the tough questions?

    Again, I am not saying I'm on either side of the street here. I really don't like even mentioning what has been on my mind in the last few days watching this thread keep going and going and going. But there it is.

    Oh yeah. Almost forgot. I like your Avatar Michelle.:D It looks like its a mix of Egyptian, Sumerian, Mayan and a bit of Incan influence all thrown in for effect.

    STR
     
  19. Michelle

    Michelle

    173
    Nov 7, 2003
    Hey Bubba! Thanks for communicating non-accurate informatation! Well done Sir. I am NOT a representative of Strider knives.... as has been elucidated here ad nauseum... try to keep up.... if you would.

    Hmmmm. Ummmm. Yep. She is. I and others have spent a STUPID amount of time on her site trying to verify "that many areas of documentation have failed to load due to the fact we have 'overrun our server space' is.... quite frankly........ crap.

    Bottom line is? Bullshit. EVERYTHING ELSE is loading just fine.

    Furthermore, anyone running this kind of site with ANY KIND OF SAVVY has a set up wherein if they blow their bandwidth or their STORAGE (which is what is claimed here) PAYS ONE FREAKING DOLLAR A MONTH to cover that overage.

    One dollar.

    One buck is all it would cost to cover that one stupdi PDF file that is no longer being able to load regarding this current situation.

    Unelss they are clueless.... about all the available provider options out there which would be astounding considering they are a non--profit organization... that everyone feels sorry for and supports out of their own pocket (hello IRS) one would assume all the GOOD PEOPLE are out there watching over them and doing right by them.....

    Then we could look at February of this year where the hits due to the MS witch hunt spiked a full 225% over the current trasffic situation....... and yet.... there was no down time or outages as a result of that.

    Riddle me that Batman..... er... bubbaman.

    Then again maybe I am bitter because she has NEVER responded to any of my emails to her regarding this situation. Then again, I never sent any emails to her with the return address of Kevin McClung.

    Hey Just out of curiosity, Has she responded to yours? Oh wait... have you ever sent any?

    m1
     
  20. Justabuyer

    Justabuyer

    May 7, 2006
    Why would you think I would know that?

    I never had anything to do with the whole one shot one kill community as a service member or later on the Forums. I will defer to Military members for the actual shooting and Blade forum ethical experts for the peace time sniping/stoneing.
     
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