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I am in the need to know like the whole rest of the forum where it was posted out in the open at.
Better question is why did the OP say that Mr. Mawhinney was not going to be there.
Of course he was a sniper in the Marine Corps. It says so on the internet. That seems to be the argument here. Bubba posts internet sources as GOSPEL. RVNET supposedly comes here looking for info on a Chris Reeves knife and becomes lead council. Tamishigiri is the man with the PERIOD.
I mean look at all of these credible sources. POWNET seems to have a good rep, but they are definitely in bed with some interesting folks in this witchhunt. Who decides which source is credible???
This thread started as a personal attack and it will continue in that fashion. We are talking about a man's livelyhood. How he makes his living and supports his children. Those are things that we shouldn't take lightly. If these accusations are true, then DD is wrong, but every single possible thing should have been done to prove this, long before this thread was started. This thread was purely personal and has nothing to do with protecting vets and exposing phonies.
All I can say is you better hope you are right. If I were DD and this was done to me, then I would be seeking you out physically or legally. You don't threaten the livelyhood af a man's family without knowing for sure. And NOBODY here knows for sure.
which has been my point for quote a number of posts in this thread. Whether or not you choose to view the pdf as legitimate, the presented documents are at least something. Nothing outside of some article quotes says that DD was.
Wanting to believe a man is telling the truth and proving that he is telling the truth are different things.
Why does he have to prove anything though? Like I said before, if DD knows the truth, then I am sure he could care less what everybody else thinks. I know I wouldn't. The Jews said Jesus wasn't the son of God. He said he was the son of God. When Jesus was being questioned by Pilate he didn't defend himself. Was he lying because of his lack of defense?
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Right and if someone kills their parents, they should be granted clemency because they are an orphan.
No offense, but records from the NPRC aren't just "says so on the internet". If the background checks with SSN's match up as well, that's not "says so on the internet" either.
Witch Hunts are where you offer nothing but rumor to back up your statements, and rally the faithful to rise against your target. From what's been shown thus far, there's more than enough to give anyone reasonable cause for suspicion. The people who are claiming a 100% identity match are saying the social security numbers match up. If that's the case, which is more likely, Poland & Dwyer are one and the same, or someone is impersonating the other?
By all means, Tony C2, I think we'd all love to see some verifiable documentation that backs up any of the claims that have been made regarding special skills and combat time. Hell, we've only waited 10 months for those magic DD214's from the first time, I'm sure the rest will appear momentarily.
No offense, but records from the NPRC aren't just "says so on the internet". If the background checks with SSN's match up as well, that's not "says so on the internet" either.
Witch Hunts are where you offer nothing but rumor to back up your statements, and rally the faithful to rise against your target. From what's been shown thus far, there's more than enough to give anyone reasonable cause for suspicion. The people who are claiming a 100% identity match are saying the social security numbers match up. If that's the case, which is more likely, Poland & Dwyer are one and the same, or someone is impersonating the other?
By all means, Tony C2, I think we'd all love to see some verifiable documentation that backs up any of the claims that have been made regarding special skills and combat time. Hell, we've only waited 10 months for those magic DD214's from the first time, I'm sure the rest will appear momentarily.
So either we don't pursue this because DD will get pissed at us, or we don't pursue this because DD won't care and won't solve this.
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I can't speak for his intentions, as I am not psychic. Clearly he has a burr under his saddle about this. Reading over his posts, it would appear that he has a vested interest in making sure the developments of this are made known; why I cannot say and am not going to speculate on.
It is interesting that many of the people who are the first to raise torches & pitchforks are now scrambling to defend, deny, obfuscate, misdirect, scapegoat, excuse, and otherwise claim that the elephant isn't in the room, but that's not really anything new.
Perhaps you can enlighten us all as to what intentions someone would have about deliberately & repeatedly misleading people about the nature of their military service? Or why some people just can't stop themselves from doing it?
Spark, I am not trying to misdirect anybody. I spoke to DD once at Blade and that was just a nice to meet you. He did seem like a very intelligent guy. Seemed intelligent enough to know that if he lied about his service then someone would eventually find out. Therefore I realy don't believe he did. That is not psyhcic ability but just common sense. I am not very intelligent myself but common sense has taken me pretty far. I just hate seeing threads like this, attacking someone's livelyhood when all of the facts are clearly not on the table. If all of the facts were on the table then this thread would have been over long ago.I have seen people called down in this thread for personal attacks, yet this whole thread is a personal attack.
Its doesn't matter at this point which side is credible really. Not if you ask me anyway. Let me explain. The documents trump either sides take or agenda if there is one. And at this juncture that is really all we can rely on IMO. They exist obviously. We have not see all of them but what we have seen certainly leans one way more than another don't you agree? I mean look at POWnetworks postings of the actual records. Its there in black and white. Agenda, personal issues or all that aside its pretty evident and deserving of attention by both those reading it and Duane to correct or dispute it. It makes it hard to find proof of the claims so to me thats the real focus adn not the personal stuff anymore. Its out there like it or not regardless of who or what put it there.
Exactly! And once again its all the more reason why Duane should address the issues at hand here immediately instead of not even addressing them. I agree with much of what you said here but what I see is this. POWnetwork is not really saying anything more than, 'we got this report of claims for this individual, (doesn't matter where it came from or what personal stuff is behind it really) and we looked into it because of red flags that were evident in premliminary investigations. Here are the records accessed after preliminary that we asked for by a legal Freedome of Information Act and we find that there are discrepancies." In other words they inform those in the need to know including the person or persons looked into that the discrepancies surround and ask if they would simply address these discrepancies and/or explain so they can close the case and take the information off their system.
Normally if something of a question comes up most folks are not prone to flying off the handle about a discrepancy in records and I think most that are legit would quickly straighten it up and answer the questions put to them immediately, by supplies of records copies of their own or a release to let them secure what they need. Most would even explain why some things are as they are. This has not taken place here though and that is the problem.
All this nonsense by others about how signing a release is a big trap for ID theft is bogus. First of all, and with all due respect who in their right mind at this point in time would want either Mick or Duane's ID right now? I mean really! And secondly, its apparent that even without signing a release at all with this present age of digital technology we live in often times referred to as the "information age" that both personal and private information is readily available and easy to get on anyone without having to even question that fact.
One other thing is this. Mick and Duane are by most folks definition 'celebrities' and anyone that has watched TMZ or any of the tabloids knows that celebrities do not fall under the same rules for privacy as non celebrity types. This is just the way it is. Look up privacy law and read it. You'll find its an ongoing thing and that celebrities offer easier to find 'reason to know' as well as other loop holes that make gaining this info from them that much easier and that much legal too apparently.
Besides that its not even necessary to gain private information to determine many things as is evident by the stuff found like phone numbers and previous to current addresses, past and present spouses etc. This all I found and all those things tie to the two names, but it is very obvious that if one wanted to go further down the rabbit hole that its sure possible to get access to information you have no business having which quite frankly surprised me and even pissed me off to learn.
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Common sense is not infallible, otherwise con artists wouldn't be around in the world. As long as you don't tell too big of a lie to too many people, you can get away with lots of things. That Larkis guy got a multimillion dollar contract from the government, yet you'd think they'd vet someone before handing out that much cash, right?
If you tell me a story, and it doesn't happen to be true, calling you out on it isn't a personal attack.
As for attacking someone's livelihood, it's been stated repeatedly that nobody here has a problem with the knives, and more than a few times that they are made with great skill & are great designs. If someone's livelihood depends on tall tales, however... the blame is not on the shoulders of those who were lied to.
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Sort of interesting side note as listed on the blackfive site.
You can go to military.com, register, and do a buddy finder search.
If you search for Thomas D Poland, nothing comes back. If you search for Thomas Dwyer you get quite a few hits. And no, none show a sniper MOS. But it does highlight the discrepancies in the records. POWnetwork has records for a Poland but there are none on Military .com.
My stuff is correct and I got out in early 95. They show my father in there and he got in 70ish.
Anyone here who has been in the military can check their own name and see how accurate it is.
I do find it odd that it shows a Thomas Dywer though and not Thomas Poland.
You can go to military.com, register, and do a buddy finder search.
If you search for Thomas D Poland, nothing comes back. If you search for Thomas Dwyer you get quite a few hits. And no, none show a sniper MOS. But it does highlight the discrepancies in the records. POWnetwork has records for a Poland but there are none on Military .com.
My stuff is correct and I got out in early 95. They show my father in there and he got in 70ish.
Anyone here who has been in the military can check their own name and see how accurate it is.
I do find it odd that it shows a Thomas Dywer though and not Thomas Poland.
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Wow, what a tangled web we weave, huh?
No one ever heard Duane say it, all we know is what we have read on the Net. Therefore, Duane has never said he was so he has nothing to prove, it's those that said he is that need to prove it Duane never said he was, Blah Blah Blah.
Talk about Confused, I am 100%!!!!!
No one ever heard Duane say it, all we know is what we have read on the Net. Therefore, Duane has never said he was so he has nothing to prove, it's those that said he is that need to prove it Duane never said he was, Blah Blah Blah.
Talk about Confused, I am 100%!!!!!
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