Strider Knives. Why So Much?

[zrfunited]

Ah hell, I’ll chime in here.

I own a PT and an SNG. Both are solid knives that perform really well. I personally would not have bought either. Both are really outside of the price range that I am comfortable with spending. That being said. I traded into the PT when I first joined the forum and my wife bought me the SNG for my birthday this year. The PT may be traded or sold one day, but the SNG will be proudly used and kept by me forever. It’s a nice knife, and the sentiment behind it as a gift makes it one of my most prized blades. I will never apologize for its ownership or carry and I take severe issue with anyone who tells me I should. Actually I take issue with anyone who attempts to sway me by brow beating and standing on the righteous pulpit pointing their righteous finger down at me.

To the issue of Mick Striders “Stolen Valor” it seems that it is a legitimate complaint. The evidence against him is pretty overwhelming, and I am of the opinion that he is guilty of what he is accused of. It seems that if he wants this issue to go away then he needs to man up and be honest about it. Take the lumps and soldier on. I don’t know anything about what he does or doesn’t do for the military or LEO communities. If he contributes in a positive manner then good on him. It doesn’t change the fact that he lied about his military credentials and got a ton of press because of it.

However, arguably, he is a talented knife maker. Many folks seem to like his knives, and not all of those people are what some of you in this thread are saying they are – arm chair commandos, and mall ninjas. I know two individuals in the military that carry and use his equipment. One is a Navy EOD I knew in Florida who told me about Strider and REKAT knives when he found out that I was into edged tools. The other is a CTN who is part of a Devgroup detachment. Both are sharp guys and both are combat veterans. Both of them seem to like their Striders or at least they did when we were last talking about knives.

In the end, it matters to me that he lied. It would matter a hell of a lot more if he lied and produced a substandard product that failed and got people killed or maimed and the only reason it was in their hand was because of the hype. As it stands I will not support the company any further then using their warranty service if the need ever arises.

The drama that surrounds this issue is insane. Both sides defend their positions with such emotional fervor that reason gets thrown out the window. Have your opinions and share your opinions. However, being vitriolic, and making sweeping generalizations is a poor way to frame any argument. It alienates those who may share your opinion but not your fervor.

 

[FlaMtnBkr]

If you can't see it, I don't know what to tell you. You buy a knife that immediately has problems and is brand new. Then you can only email them once because you have to worry about them getting mad. Then you have to send it a certain way because they can't answer the door to get the mail. Of course there is no way to know any of this because its not on their website. Neither is the actual warranty. In order to find out any of that information you have to find some strider forum that doesn't have any apparent ties to them. On top of that, you have to pay about 30 bucks to send in a brand new knife to get fixed because they are obviously great knife makers.

They should be kissing your butt to fix your brand new knife that you just over paid for, but instead you have to worry if you followed their hidden instructions so you don't piss them off or call you names or tell you to "lick my sack"

If you think that is great service you are hopeless.

And didn't they change their warranty because so many people were beating on their knives to see how strong they are, and having to return them because they weren't as strong as they thought? Of course that is just what I read on a forum, since they don't have anything about their warranty on their website.

 

[Harpoon1]

Stabman

Well, if they lied but gave me my knife, I wouldn't mind.
(well, maybe I'd mind a little, but I'd have a cool knife to comfort me)

I hear that! How long ago did this happen and what kind of knife was it?

 

[Ankerson]

And didn't they change their warranty because so many people were beating on their knives to see how strong they are, and having to return them because they weren't as strong as they thought? Of course that is just what I read on a forum, since they don't have anything about their warranty on their website.

No, they changed their warranty because of too many morons either taking apart the knives and couldn't put them back together and or pimping them and damaging them in the process.

There is a thread about the warranty change and the reasons for it over on the green forum.

 

[linux_author]

i mostly lurk here on bf, but to those folks who say, "this is all old news, hashed over, dealt with and done": no it isn't old news to me, and thanks to the folks here on bf i have no interest in bark river or strider at all - and btw, as retired military, i feel that misrepresenting military service and decoration should be a federal crime (but apparently the Supremes decided otherwise)

 

[Hadji Flip Me Over]

Hey Stephen if you like big tough folders get yourself a Pohlforce folder. The responses to your guestion above all seem to stress that you rarely see Strider knives [ I guess most people have the sense not to blow hundreds on very ordinary looking folders ] well, very few people have seen Pohlforce folders in the flesh.
My Pohlforce Alpha 3 cost me less then half the price of a Strider and is much bigger and much more impressive. It makes Striders look like they'd be more useful for buttering bread.

I went to their website. :thumbup:

 

[Finarfin]

i mostly lurk here on bf, but to those folks who say, "this is all old news, hashed over, dealt with and done": no it isn't old news to me, and thanks to the folks here on bf i have no interest in bark river or strider at all - and btw, as retired military, i feel that misrepresenting military service and decoration should be a federal crime (but apparently the Supremes decided otherwise)

My friend, it's not the America we were raised in anymore, a great many of these new American's are totally self-centered, devoid of anything even remotely akin to honor, they make petty rationalizations to justify their faithlessness, consumed by dogged self-centeredness, they pursue nothing but their own immediate gratification. In the end they are what they are, unworthy of the sacrfices made on their behalf.

The onetime federal felony of "Stolen Valor" being reduced into the gutter of 1st amendment protected speech, is as black an outrage as any.

 

[Reeek]

Those are some pretty big words to throw around if you ask me. It may be best to finish these comments off with a big, fat "IMHO". Sounds kind of "self centered" in an assumptive, wholesale, sort of way.

Which America were you raised in?

Mods, it might be time for the Whine and Cheese move pretty soon . . .

My friend, it's not the America we were raised in anymore, a great many of these new American's are totally self-centered, devoid of anything even remotely akin to honor, they make petty rationalizations to justify their faithlessness, consumed by dogged self-centeredness, they pursue nothing but their own immediate gratification. In the end they are what they are, unworthy of the sacrfices made on their behalf.

The onetime federal felony of "Stolen Valor" being reduced into the gutter of 1st amendment protected speech, is as black an outrage as any.

 

[zrfunited]

Those are some pretty big words to throw around if you ask me. It may be best to finish these comments off with a big, fat "IMHO". Sounds kind of "self centered" in an assumptive, wholesale, sort of way.

Which America were you raised in?

Mods, it might be time for the Whine and Cheese move pretty soon . . .

Reek,

Well said shipmate!

Those are very big and very self righteous words. Fin, you are not the judge of who is worthy and unworthy. Your rhetoric is getting tiresome.

 

[Ankerson]

i mostly lurk here on bf, but to those folks who say, "this is all old news, hashed over, dealt with and done": no it isn't old news to me, and thanks to the folks here on bf i have no interest in bark river or strider at all - and btw, as retired military, i feel that misrepresenting military service and decoration should be a federal crime (but apparently the Supremes decided otherwise)

Both of them actually served in the Military by the way.

 

[Gator97]

Very true, Mick has more than paid his debt to society IMO

You mean the sentence was too harsh or something else?

and has chosen to go on the correct path of both improving himself and helping people in the Military by his own choice.

It's crystal clear form Strider posts on BF (and I have seen the same story telling on BAKCA shows) that all that black ops etc stuff was heavily used as a sales tool and it was a lie. Whatever happened in 1993-1998 doesn't explain or excuse those lies. And I honestly fail to see how his prior "paid dues" amend for later lies, lots of which happened right here on BF. IIRC, it took another court order to make him admit he was not black ops etc, does that really count as Mick realizing his mistakes making it right? He was forced to tell the truth...

The guy made a mistake, he paid for that mistake and moved on in a positive way.

And again, one is not related to other. I don't understand why Strider supporters keep going back to his jail time as an excuse for later lies.

HE is also one of the better Custom Knife makers around with a lot of Awards under his belt, something most of the people here didn't know.

He also is #1 maker by sheer number of insults and name calling, at least here on BF. I have never seen any other maker insulting his own customers en masse like Mick did, I'm pretty sure all that junk is still in the archives for anyone to see.
It's really ironic to see CrimsonTideShooter getting upset with CRK customer service(and he did have a reason too) and then praise Strider for CS.

 

[Nternal]

Not a strider fan and Fin..you are mistaken about me not having honor. You don't know me. I will say however that Mick Strider telling some knife snob who obviously has too much money to be spending on these 300+ dollar folders and too much time on his hands to be an all knowing critic to lick his sack is quite hilarious. I think what I was trying to say went over your head though, I believe a knife should be judged on it's merits alone, it's a sharpened piece of steel..it has no honor.. it's an inanimate object.

 

[Ankerson]

You mean the sentence was too harsh or something else?


It's crystal clear form Strider posts on BF (and I have seen the same story telling on BAKCA shows) that all that black ops etc stuff was heavily used as a sales tool and it was a lie. Whatever happened in 1993-1998 doesn't explain or excuse those lies. And I honestly fail to see how his prior "paid dues" amend for later lies, lots of which happened right here on BF. IIRC, it took another court order to make him admit he was not black ops etc, does that really count as Mick realizing his mistakes making it right? He was forced to tell the truth...


And again, one is not related to other. I don't understand why Strider supporters keep going back to his jail time as an excuse for later lies.


He also is #1 maker by sheer number of insults and name calling, at least here on BF. I have never seen any other maker insulting his own customers en masse like Mick did, I'm pretty sure all that junk is still in the archives for anyone to see.
It's really ironic to see CrimsonTideShooter getting upset with CRK customer service(and he did have a reason too) and then praise Strider for CS.

I take it that you never served in the Military.

People love to tell sea stories so to speak or make their time in service soud better than it may have been, right or wrong it does happen.

It's kinda like the fish stories people tell, you know that fish always gets bigger each time it's told, or the Buck that has more points than the last time.

What I ment was that he served his time so people just need to let it be, it's done, and over.

About the stuff that happened here on BF... I read all of it, but I wasn't involved in any of it so I have no dog in that fight so I won't comment on any of that because I really don't care. That is all water under the bridge IMO and some just need to move on.

The quality of the knives are good and the customer service is also good IMO the 2 times that I needed it I had no problem getting in contact with Strider.

 

[Noctis3880]

Perhaps it's not such a good idea to buy a knife based on the ass-kickedness of the maker, the company, or whomever the company supposedly makes the knives for. I buy based on what I want, what I need, and what I can afford.

 

[averageiowaguy]

I found out all of the Strider background AFTER I purchased the knife and made a review video about it. Don't feel bad if you didn't know. I'm not a walking encyclopedia about the ins and outs of the knife world. I now feel sick to my stomach every time I see the knife now that I know about the stolen valor stuff. I'm REALLY glad that I did an honest review of the knife, even though I've taken a beating over it.

PS - and to people who are stupid enough to post their company in their sig - by defending this guy, you are telling me a LOT about your company. Thanks for the heads up.

 

[four_shore]

I take it that you never served in the Military.

People love to tell sea stories so to speak or make their time in service soud better than it may have been, right or wrong it does happen.

It's kinda like the fish stories people tell, you know that fish always gets bigger each time it's told, or the Buck that has more points than the last time.

What I ment was that he served his time so people just need to let it be, it's done, and over.

About the stuff that happened here on BF... I read all of it, but I wasn't involved in any of it so I have no dog in that fight so I won't comment on any of that because I really don't care. That is all water under the bridge IMO and some just need to move on.

The quality of the knives are good and the customer service is also good IMO the 2 times that I needed it I had no problem getting in contact with Strider.

he did a little more than just sugarcoat some military stories but to me that's all irrelevant.

i don't buy striders anymore because both of the ones i did own, developed awful lock rock (with moderate use).

it took them a little too long to address the problem IMO.

to me it's strictly a matter of opinion and experience. my opinion is that they're overrated and my experience is that they're defective lol.

to each their own...

 

[Gosdent]

Perhaps it's not such a good idea to buy a knife based on the ass-kickedness of the maker, the company, or whomever the company supposedly makes the knives for. I buy based on what I want, what I need, and what I can afford.

same here. i don't care for people who say "you shouldn't buy from them they aren't good people." I buy what I like, not who I like. Like for me, I personally hate Microtech company for various reasons, but I love their knives.

 

[jvarn81]

so you don't piss them off or call you names or tell you to "lick my sack"

.

Now that is funny. My wife just asked me what I am laughing so much about.

 

[jvarn81]

My friend, it's not the America we were raised in anymore, a great many of these new American's are totally self-centered, devoid of anything even remotely akin to honor, they make petty rationalizations to justify their faithlessness, consumed by dogged self-centeredness, they pursue nothing but their own immediate gratification. In the end they are what they are, unworthy of the sacrfices made on their behalf.

The onetime federal felony of "Stolen Valor" being reduced into the gutter of 1st amendment protected speech, is as black an outrage as any.

He's right though, look around our society...and that just MHO

 

[valump]

What your post say's, is that you personally, have no character, and as a result you could care less if anyone else has any either! !

Fin,Why so abrasive?
You may have some valid points, but when you resort to pejoratives, ad hominid attacks, or condescension it makes them hard to swallow. By stating that people with a different point of view then you have “no character” or are “imbecilic” you cheapen your arguments.
I won’t buy a Strider because I dislike some things the owner has done, but people should be able to buy whatever-the-hell knife they want without having their “honor” impugned.