Strider Knives?

Micky said:
No we were just smart, unlike the other services the Air Force sends its officers to die, while the enlisted support them. Now before people start bitching I know that is a very simplistic look at things and isn't totally accurate.
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not true i lost a bud on an AC130 in '86 & he was an airman. lotsa other airman on board that thing also didnt make it.

i do see your point though.

without mechanics the whole US armed services would creak to a stop in about 48 hours (maybe sooner).

one of my buds is a civilian contractor (dyncorp) and is a crew cheif on T38's and i have been to several parties with him put on by the pilots on base, all the pilots respect the hell outta the crews, for good reason.
 
I'm glad you mentioned the original point of the whole controversy. Misinformation about a service members record was propagated and then repeated- which has been apologized for.

Frankly, the agenda is to perform the same mistake - which is what Allen, I, and others are attempting to communicate caution about. I posted that months ago.

I don't need to prove one or the other side's point. I am simply trying to point out the potential for misconstruing any statement, or reading more into it than exists.

"Combat vet" is not exclusivley decided by DOD. The illustration is to show you are holding a narrow point of view. You ignored the specific detail to accuse me of being a Strider "fanboy," which I am guilty of - but that isn't the point.

My few posts in TG,B&U are oriented to get people to think about what's going on - which is they are doing the exact same thing Mick had to apologize for - and what good does his example serve. Life's lessons are often learned from other's mistakes.

Your conduct has now led you to becoming involved with certain principal parties that lead to the perception you are biased. If you can make contact with one party, why can't you talk to the other? I understand it may take setting aside some pride, but the resulting conversation can do more to settle things than watching threads drift here.

We were both taught in the military that your first decision is usually right. Please rethink what brought you to that and why it's still applicable.
 
:rolleyes: Here we go again. If I'm biased, it's because I'm biased against liars, phonies, and fakes. People like that are dangerous because they use their reputation that they built on lies to give advice, and that can get people killed.

For the context of this discussion, combat veteran is indeed decided by the DOD - if you are saying you are a combat vet from US government service, then you should be able to back that up with your government records. If the records don't show combat service, guess what? You aren't. Please don't try to say Mick Strider was some sort of black ops hero, especially without any sort of documentation to prove that. If he can't back up his stories about charging gunmen with knives and various other horsecrap, that's his problem. The burden of proof lies with the person making the claim.

As for "making contact" with Mick Strider, I've tried in the past and failed repeatedly. Even Jerry Hossom admits that he's bad about communication. Mick Strider furthermore failed to show me the remotest courtesy of communication before he launched his character assassination campaign against me, so please, get off your high horse. I've at least given him a chance to rebut this whole mess and bothered to source my statements. If he's not going to live up to his promises to the POWNetwork to try and clear things up, I don't expect jack out of him. I have easily found phone numbers, email addresses, and physical addresses, and I'm not hiding behind third parties or making vieled threats about killing people with hammers.

I have no pride invested in this - I'm not the one who's been lying or creating a phoney background to promote myself. If you don't like how this has developed, think about this: Mick Strider could have prevented all of this by just being honest. Or by coming clean when it came out. Instead, he chose to continue spreading falsehoods.
 
Which ones?

EDIT: reading.... wait, so he's saying it was "racism" now is the reason he didn't get his plea bargain?
 
http://www.pownetwork.org/phonies/phonies313.htm

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It has been stated that I lied about going to Somalia for a year rather than having gone to prison.



I have NEVER made this statement. I HAVE stated that, early on I was offered a plea that included me going to Somalia for a year, I would then being on probation for a period of ten years upon my return. I was VERY sure to clarify when the statement was made, that I would have gone as a civilian and that I had no relationship with the US Government or 3/75. This plea of course never went into law, and I DID go to prison for a term of five years. I have never misled anyone regarding this. I am currently attempting to contact my Federal Defender from the time to verify this statement.

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When I was arrested, there was a Somalia contract pending.
I'm not sure if you know much about the Federal Justice System, but it works on a system of guidlines. If your found guilty of X you will spent Z amount of time in prison. There is no room for this's and that's. There of course is one exception, cooperation. That means being a rat.

I wouldn't tell them anything, but my lawyer worked another angle. He worked a plea where I would move forward with the pending contract which was for just over a year, then donate all of the money earned as a fine. THIS would be considered my "cooperation". The Judge would then be able to give me a "downward departure" for my "cooperation". Upon my return, I would have served ten years of probation.

The plea was okayed by the Judge and Pros.....but last minute, the Pros backed out. His excuse was that my crime was a new Fed crime. I was the third Fed case in CA. The first by a Hispanic the second by a Black. If they allowed me this plea, they would appear racist.

The contract was simple enough....it was for DepState (not a blue hat job) to guard food and med shippments. If it had not been a State sanctioned contract it couldn't have counted as cooperation.I'm not sure why my Lawyer has not gotten back to me....I kind of forgot about him....I've been incredibly busy. I have a large move on the 5th....and its getting close. Ill be off and on on comms until I'm done...but will do my best.

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Some contradictions there.
 
Looks like it came from emails, I'd guess. I'd doubt they'd put that up with the first person references unless it came from the Horse's Mouth
 
Its hard to tell who that last statement came from on the POW.org site regarding Somalia. I don't doubt an offer was made by Mick's attorney but I do doubt it ever got to the judge's ears. It seems apparent to me reading the last few additions by Mick that he is mixing up either innocently enough or by careful consideration of his words when he writes plea instead of offer. He doesn't seem to know or perhaps he doesn't want to distinquish the difference.

Its rather refreshing to me that someone else offered this because a certain someone else earlier argued with me that I was nit picking over symantics with that same statement but its obviously not just symantics involved here its the definition difference between an offer and a plea agreement and he knows it.

STR
 
Spark said:
and I'm not hiding behind third parties or making vieled threats about killing people with hammers.
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Come on,...would it have been a vieled threat if he had said "killed them with kindness"?
If anyone reading that statement actually saw that as a threat, they are really, really reaching. You made the comment that if he had confronted you while at a certain knife show(don't remember which one) you would've likely hit him with one of the tomahawks that you were carrying. That sounds a lot more threatening to me. The more you say it's not about you and him, the less it sounds like that.
I thought the question was about the value of certain Strider knives???
My mistake.
 
flipe8 said:
Come on,...would it have been a vieled threat if he had said "killed them with kindness"?
If anyone reading that statement actually saw that as a threat, they are really, really reaching. You made the comment that if he had confronted you while at a certain knife show(don't remember which one) you would've likely hit him with one of the tomahawks that you were carrying. That sounds a lot more threatening to me. The more you say it's not about you and him, the less it sounds like that.
I thought the question was about the value of certain Strider knives???
My mistake.
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Actually, no, I didn't make that statement, please get your facts straight. I said that Duane Dwyer came up to me at SHOT and asked me if I wanted to go outside. I told him no, I didn't, and I was there to do business. I also said violence is a last resort for me. Here is the post in question: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4403560&highlight=tomahawk#post4403560
 
Sounds like Duane is a piece of work also.

I read that back when you first answered Lifter and took it that BlackHawk was the guy that asked you outside. My bad. I'm glad you linked that and referenced it here to straighten that out for me. That part where you mention Duane and then go to BlackHawk about the meeting and then when you refer to Duane again as "he" it tricked me and got by me first time.

STR
 
Spark, all he said was that he wanted to "go outside". You are only assuming that he wanted to fight and are putting words in his mouth. No one but you said that he wanted to fight Spark and you are assuming that that is what he meant when he said "go outside".

For all we know, he just wanted to show you a pretty rainbow. or a butterfly, I hear Atlanta has a lot of them come summertime. :rolleyes:


There, I beat Allan Molestad to it!


edit: wait, we're not talking about LT are we??
 
roughedges said:
Spark, all he said was that he wanted to "go outside". You are only assuming that he wanted to fight and are putting words in his mouth.
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I think the plan, throughout these threads, is to use the word 'intimate' to put the responsibility for interpretation back on the writer (or the speaker in this case). I can only assume that the TV show Law & Order has popularized this word in this context.

Never should you admit that you inferred something that wasn't there. Or that you are just taking wild guesses. Just claim that they intimated it.

That, dog metaphors, and a galactic sense of entitlement is really the fuel that keep this whole thing running.
 
Citori said:
I think the plan, throughout these threads, is to use the word 'intimate' to put the responsibility for interpretation back on the writer (or the speaker in this case). I can only assume that the TV show Law & Order has popularized this word in this context.

Never should you admit that you inferred something that wasn't there. Or that you are just taking wild guesses. Just claim that they intimated it.

That, dog metaphors, and a galactic sense of entitlement is really the fuel that keep this whole thing running.
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gotta disagree with you there citori.theres not much to infer about what is intended by asking someone (anyone, in or outside the context of this thread) to go outside. Every time I've ever been asked to step outside by a man, or even heard about it, he wasn't exactly hoping to hold hands. I think the intent behind such a statement is very clear regardless of the speaker or the situation.


The same can be said of other statements of nebulous meaning- just vague enough to be deniable, when the need arises, and just enticing enough to draw in the suckers. And, of course, the parties in question can always fall back on, "THAT'S not what I said; you are putting words in my mouth!" or some variation of same.


The way I see it, it's either as stated above or the entire personality cult arose out of thin air.
 
roughedges said:
For all we know, he just wanted to show you a pretty rainbow. or a butterfly, . . . . :rolleyes: . . . edit: wait, we're not talking about LT are we??
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I got you're "pretty butterfly" right here for ya . . .

Love,
Prince Albert

P.S. I realize this post isn't funny and contributes nothing to the totality of the overall importance and dignity of this thread. That said . . . no e-mails please)
 
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