Strider Knives?

[Horned Toad]

Please don't mischaracterize what I had to say. If you are implying that Mick Strider is some sort of combat vet, provide proof of it and back up that assertation. Otherwise "hypothetical" "maybe" "kinda" "what if" scenarios don't prove a thing. His military record shows he isn't one. His military records also show he was never assigned to SOCOM or JSOC. His words and actions, however, don't match these facts.

So I am guessing you didn’t see or chose to ignore my post on JSOC timelines. I would bet very few people are actually assigned to JSOC, it’s a command structure, and there are a bunch of units under that umbrella though. From my 5-second internet search it seems that JSOC was running in the early 80s. I have questions out now to others but its been 20+ years ago for some of these guys and unless you are an officer that sort of stuff really didn’t matter.

 

[Spark]

What about your post on JSOC timelines? Mick Strider's FOIA records show he wasn't assigned to JSOC, period. He admits he never worked for JSOC on the POWNetwork page about him - http://www.pownetwork.org/phonies/phonies313.htm Again, if you have proof showing he did something, show it. So far it's not looking like he was in anything other than the Ranger Batts.

You know who is assigned to JSOC though?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JSOC

Hm, so I guess saying someone works for JSOC implies they are some sort of operator, eh?

 

[Horned Toad]

What about your post on JSOC timelines? Mick Strider's FOIA records show he wasn't assigned to JSOC, period. He admits he never worked for JSOC on the POWNetwork page about him - http://www.pownetwork.org/phonies/phonies313.htm Again, if you have proof showing he did something, show it. So far it's not looking like he was in anything other than the Ranger Batts.

You know who is assigned to JSOC though?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JSOC

Hm, so I guess saying someone works for JSOC implies they are some sort of operator, eh?

it implies that they can be alot of things

The Joint Special Operation Command is believed to be the USSOCOM part carrying out counter-terrorism and military covert operations. It is said to directly command some special operations forces called Special Missions Units[2]. These allegedly includes :


There is a reason I try to stay away from wiki,
this link sort of sums it up,


http://www.soc.mil/sofinfo/history.shtml

that a pretty good link maybe you should look around some

 

[Horned Toad]

You know who is assigned to JSOC though?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JSOC

Hm, so I guess saying someone works for JSOC implies they are some sort of operator, eh?

I have a good friend in the 22nd STS, is he a member of the 24th special tactics squadron or is he under JSOC, I mean he is an air force guy now, so how can he possible be assigned to or under JSOC right. It’s a command structure, how many officers work there that are not “operators”.


You were at Brag right, as a combat engineer if I recall right, what was your unit? Was it under the 18th ABN Corp. Did you walk around saying you were in xxx or did you walk around saying you were in the 18th ABN Corp?


I think some of your gripes are valid and I like a lot of other are waiting to see what will come of this whole thing. But I think a lot of your gripes are petty hair splitting based on magazines and wikipedia.

 

[STR]

So I guess he set up his JSOC situation during his AWOL. LOL Truthfully it says in a later write up down the page on POW.org that the JSOC was stated in error in bold letters and that is before Mick's statement below that that he was certainly never in JSOC.


STR

 

[Spark]

I have a good friend in the 22nd STS, is he a member of the 24th special tactics squadron or is he under JSOC, I mean he is an air force guy now, so how can he possible be assigned to or under JSOC right. It’s a command structure, how many officers work there that are not “operators”.

If he's in 24th STS, then he says 24th STS, just like you'd say Ranger BDE, right?

You were at Brag right, as a combat engineer if I recall right, what was your unit? Was it under the 18th ABN Corp. Did you walk around saying you were in xxx or did you walk around saying you were in the 18th ABN Corp?

I walked around saying C CO, 27th ENG BN, and that was it. C 27 is under the 20th ENG BDE, which is under the 18th ABN Corps, but that doesn't mean I was justified to say I was in the 82nd, who was also under the 18th. I was detailed to for various cool guys at various times, but that doesn't mean I can list that I was in 1SFG or 1SFOD-D, or USAJFKSWCS, or SOCOM, or JSOC, or that I was permenant party at McCall or anything.

I think some of your gripes are valid and I like a lot of other are waiting to see what will come of this whole thing. But I think a lot of your gripes are petty hair splitting based on magazines and wikipedia.

Dude, my gripes are that he's pretending to be something he isn't. There's no shame in being a Batt guy, 99% of the Army couldn't hang. There's no shame in never getting deployed to a combat zone, millions of servicemen weren't. Lying about something you aren't though... yeah, there's shame in that.

 

[Michelle]

Sure, go for it.

det, thank you for your service Sir. :thumbup:

m1

 

[Horned Toad]

I walked around saying C CO, 27th ENG BN, and that was it. C 27 is under the 20th ENG BDE, which is under the 18th ABN Corps,

now try explaining that to someone not in the military, see where it gets messy, you were under the 18th ABN Corps, the whole 75th is under the 18th ABN Corps, so we were sort of in the same unit, I think on this one you are harping on semantics

Dude, my gripes are that he's pretending to be something he isn't. There's no shame in being a Batt guy, 99% of the Army couldn't hang. There's no shame in never getting deployed to a combat zone, millions of servicemen weren't. Lying about something you aren't though... yeah, there's shame in that.

Question for you then is he a bat boy are not? Earlier in this thread you said the short time doesn’t count. I say it counts IF he was injured and medicaled out. If he wasn’t injured and was RFSed then that’s going to leave a mark and I will bow out of this one. But you haven’t shown proof of that.


On the combat thing, same issue. Interesting in this thread, that it came up on whether or not the combat had to be DOD approved to count. I had a 1ST SGT that fought in Rhodesia, it wasn’t for the DOD, is anyone going to sit around and tell him that it doesn’t count.


I am going to try and read you 14 points again later just for a refresher.

 

[Spark]

now try explaining that to someone not in the military, see where it gets messy, you were under the 18th ABN Corps, the whole 75th is under the 18th ABN Corps, so we were sort of in the same unit, I think on this one you are harping on semantics

Dude, it's not that complicated. You say "I was in 2/75" or "I was in 3/47" or "I was in 2nd Bn" - giving the uppermost unit of your chain of command is retarded, how is that less confusing than just saying, "Yeah, I was in the 75th Regiment"? There's plenty of excuses for saying "Oh, I was in SOCOM / JSOC / whatever" but since everyone and their brother has heard of the term "Ranger" there's no reason to emphasize SOCOM / JSOC / whatever unless you are trying to give the impression that you were something "special".

Question for you then is he a bat boy are not? Earlier in this thread you said the short time doesn’t count. I say it counts IF he was injured and medicaled out. If he wasn’t injured and was RFSed then that’s going to leave a mark and I will bow out of this one. But you haven’t shown proof of that.

I stated in the original "Mick Strider has some explaining to do" thread that I feel Mick Strider served as a Ranger - his records show that, I don't dispute it. My issue is bragging about being Ranger this, and Ranger that, being born a Ranger, training your whole life to be a Ranger, sharpening Roger's tomahawk, etc... but getting removed out of the batts after 65 days. Then going AWOL after getting sent down the road to a leg unit. Then getting kicked out of the Army. Then carjacking some poor schmuck. Then going to jail, and when getting released, reinventing himself as something he isn't. Then bragging about killing dudes with a knife in the service of the government, being a combat vet, changing ammo loadouts, and other shit his records don't back up. Then acting like an unprofessional ass. And lying about other vets. And redacting his DD214 like he's hiding classified info. And all sorts of other BS.

Heck it's simple. Look at the Ranger Creed. Compare that to how Mick Strider's acted. You and I don't see eye to eye, but you know what? I respect you because you are being calm, discussing this, and showing courtesy. You are being professional about it. You are acting like an adult. When I talk to my Ranger buddies, they act the same way. I'm not saying everyone in the Batts is professional and mature all the time... but the behavior I've been seeing vs the "I talk the talk but can't walk the walk" difference is pretty dramatic.

You are right, I haven't shown proof of his being pulled from the Batts. I can't, because only he has the power to release his 201 file, and that's pretty much a lost cause. What I do have though, shows that he was pulled from C 2/75 after 65 days. And I do have his contradictory statements saying he "smashed his ranger cable" causing his removal then turning around and saying that he was born with a "lame spine" and that the Ranger's thought he was faking it. Combine that with his lack of credibility and other fabrications and we're a long ways past giving him the benefit of the doubt.

On the combat thing, same issue. Interesting in this thread, that it came up on whether or not the combat had to be DOD approved to count. I had a 1ST SGT that fought in Rhodesia, it wasn’t for the DOD, is anyone going to sit around and tell him that it doesn’t count.

I don't know your 1SG. I'll bet you $100 though that his name isn't Mick Strider. If Mick Strider was in combat, it's on him to prove it now; he made the claim, now he gets to back it up, otherwise guess what? He's telling a tall tale.

Several people are saying it's possible Mick Strider saw combat as a contractor. If so, when? It's not when he was in prison. It's not before he was in the Army. It's not while he was in the Army. So it's between 86-93, at a time when we had a huge surplus of dudes that had actually "been there and done that" ready and willing to work overseas. Where was he? Is it the desert? Or in South America? Maybe the North Pole, killing elves?

Look over BlackWater's application: https://secure.blackwaterusa.com/
Look at the requirements: http://www.blackwaterusa.com/employment/contract.asp

If Blackwater can be this selective now, when there aren't that many people to draw from; and we had plenty of excess people running around then, why would any contractor unit want a lame spine, E1, no special skills, gone AWOL, removed from the Army wondersoldier? You think they aren't going to ask for a DD214, especially for a paramilitary position? Or a full release of 201 file? Or a "who knows you?" Let's use some common sense.

 

[dakotared]

You look sooooooo fuckin' cool!!!! You look like a skinny pussy with a little head, a shit haircut and a cheap pair of sunglasses. :jerkit:

You started the personal attacks you inbred retard!!! I'm just responding to them. There's a difference between attacks and opinions. I had an opinion, and you started a personal attack on me.

Initially, I was just stating that part of the reason Strider can market their fixed blade knives at such an astronomical price is that Mick obviously exaggerated his military experience as a marketing ploy and milked it for all it was "worth." It also disgusted me that a person who claimed to "protect" America would be an armed carjacker, ripping off Americans. That's hypocrisy. IMHO, I wouldn't knowingly want to buy anything from anyone that was a known felon and lied to market his products, as I feel that he doesn't deserve the recognition he got and still gets from those lies.

It was just my opinion, and from that you acted like Mick Strider's your momma!! You had to defend the liar and insult me for having an opinion. Man, maybe if he carjacked you or your dad or someone important to you at gunpoint you would change your mind!!!

I do think Mick is a good knifemaker, not the best, but he is good at what he does; but how he got to where he is today was done unethically. A lot of makers have done things the right way (which is usually the hard way) and have made a name for themselves honestly. These guys have paid their dues, and their work should be priced accordingly. However, if someone didn't pay their dues and "faked" or "lied" or whatever you may call it to inflate their status/ reputation and pricing -he's basically cheating YOU!!! If you can't see that, that's your problem.

If you ain't a personal family friend and you're defending him, you're stupid and just another punk on the bandwagon of ignorance with more money than brains. -Just my .02. Take it or leave it, but next time think twice before you start attacking someone who is paying their dues and just has an opinion. Fucking hypocrite, you're trying to promote "freedom" in your little hummer, but if someone has an opinion you act like an ignorant little bitch about it. This is America, suck it up boy.

Spark, it must make you proud to facilitate such scintillating social discourse, internet or otherwise.....

 

[Cougar Allen]

Here in the real world, Spark responded to that post by issuing an infraction to the author....

 

[Spark]

Spark, it must make you proud to facilitate such scintillating social discourse, internet or otherwise.....

Do I really need to post samples from the Mick Strider Hall of Fame so that I can illustrate how proud you must be to be defending such a person? Or do you think that telling people to "lick my sack" and calling them cocksuckers is scintillating social discourse? As Cougar noted, I gave flatgrinder an infraction for that. Otherwise, if your goal is to rile me up by displaying your double standards, you are failing.

 

[BRASMAN]

Forget Strider, Forget CS, just spend a little cash, get a decent blade from knifekits.com, and spend a lot less, and you'll never know the difference.
Okay, well, you might not be a bad ass, but I REALLY hope you don't care about such things!

Hey thanks for posting that link.

 

[SIFU1A]

You look sooooooo fuckin' cool!!!! You look like a skinny pussy with a little head, a shit haircut and a cheap pair of sunglasses. :jerkit:

You started the personal attacks you inbred retard!!! I'm just responding to them. There's a difference between attacks and opinions. I had an opinion, and you started a personal attack on me.

Initially, I was just stating that part of the reason Strider can market their fixed blade knives at such an astronomical price is that Mick obviously exaggerated his military experience as a marketing ploy and milked it for all it was "worth." It also disgusted me that a person who claimed to "protect" America would be an armed carjacker, ripping off Americans. That's hypocrisy. IMHO, I wouldn't knowingly want to buy anything from anyone that was a known felon and lied to market his products, as I feel that he doesn't deserve the recognition he got and still gets from those lies.

It was just my opinion, and from that you acted like Mick Strider's your momma!! You had to defend the liar and insult me for having an opinion. Man, maybe if he carjacked you or your dad or someone important to you at gunpoint you would change your mind!!!

I do think Mick is a good knifemaker, not the best, but he is good at what he does; but how he got to where he is today was done unethically. A lot of makers have done things the right way (which is usually the hard way) and have made a name for themselves honestly. These guys have paid their dues, and their work should be priced accordingly. However, if someone didn't pay their dues and "faked" or "lied" or whatever you may call it to inflate their status/ reputation and pricing -he's basically cheating YOU!!! If you can't see that, that's your problem.

If you ain't a personal family friend and you're defending him, you're stupid and just another punk on the bandwagon of ignorance with more money than brains. -Just my .02. Take it or leave it, but next time think twice before you start attacking someone who is paying their dues and just has an opinion. Fucking hypocrite, you're trying to promote "freedom" in your little hummer, but if someone has an opinion you act like an ignorant little bitch about it. This is America, suck it up boy.

what a witty reply.

again, i wonder if ya might have just a wee bit of envy or jealousy?? maybe....??? just a little??

none of the legit smiths i have seen post were as eloquent as you sir, of course most of them (if not all) tend to shy away from personal attacks on other 'smiths, but not flatgrinder huh??

lotsa class brother, lotsa class.

 

[lfd972]

You look sooooooo fuckin' cool!!!! You look like a skinny pussy with a little head, a shit haircut and a cheap pair of sunglasses. :jerkit:

You started the personal attacks you inbred retard!!! I'm just responding to them. There's a difference between attacks and opinions. I had an opinion, and you started a personal attack on me.

Initially, I was just stating that part of the reason Strider can market their fixed blade knives at such an astronomical price is that Mick obviously exaggerated his military experience as a marketing ploy and milked it for all it was "worth." It also disgusted me that a person who claimed to "protect" America would be an armed carjacker, ripping off Americans. That's hypocrisy. IMHO, I wouldn't knowingly want to buy anything from anyone that was a known felon and lied to market his products, as I feel that he doesn't deserve the recognition he got and still gets from those lies.

It was just my opinion, and from that you acted like Mick Strider's your momma!! You had to defend the liar and insult me for having an opinion. Man, maybe if he carjacked you or your dad or someone important to you at gunpoint you would change your mind!!!

I do think Mick is a good knifemaker, not the best, but he is good at what he does; but how he got to where he is today was done unethically. A lot of makers have done things the right way (which is usually the hard way) and have made a name for themselves honestly. These guys have paid their dues, and their work should be priced accordingly. However, if someone didn't pay their dues and "faked" or "lied" or whatever you may call it to inflate their status/ reputation and pricing -he's basically cheating YOU!!! If you can't see that, that's your problem.

If you ain't a personal family friend and you're defending him, you're stupid and just another punk on the bandwagon of ignorance with more money than brains. -Just my .02. Take it or leave it, but next time think twice before you start attacking someone who is paying their dues and just has an opinion. Fucking hypocrite, you're trying to promote "freedom" in your little hummer, but if someone has an opinion you act like an ignorant little bitch about it. This is America, suck it up boy.

Hooah, way to thank our military guys. I would be banned in a heart beat for saying to you what I think of that post. Why is it as a knifemaker you do not use your real name? Are you ashamed of your work, something to hide?:barf: :jerkit:

 

[Danno4017]

det, thank you for your service Sir. :thumbup:

m1

 

[moonwilson]

No disrespect intended, but Spark, why do you always jump into these threads? I know this is your place, and of course you can do anything that you want, but every Strider this & that thread seems to wind up with you getting into it with somebody. There's no arguing with these morons, so why do you even bother? The Strider marketing machine has converted X number of people into intractable disciples, and no amount of well-phrased and thoughtful logic is going to change that fact.

I hope I don't get an infraction or wind up on the PT list for this, but I just wish the higher ups here could take the high road. I'm not defending Mick, and I won't buy any of his knives- I believe the evidence (and his behavior on this and other forums) conclusively proves that he's a scumbag. But why waste so much energy trying to convince people that already *know* what they think they know?

All the best,

Andy

PS- Thanks for BF, this place is great. I really enjoy the community.

 

[roughedges]

I would be banned in a heart beat for saying to you what I think of that post.

that doesn't happen here, at least not "in a heart beat". the worst you would get is an infraction. just like flatgrinder got for the post you quoted.

 

[STR]

Moonwilson that is the thing that stands out differently about this forum compared to the others in question and why its so rediculous when some from there suggest that this is the only place that dicusses it. I guarantee you if we could discuss it there we would but everyone knows you can't. If you did there what you did here today for example you would indeed have to wonder if you were not banned the next time you tried to enter because in all liklihood you would be. Spark is not doing that here and he never has. That kind of worry is only necessary on forums run by sycophants that have pledged a blind allegiance and homage to a cause, or cult leader. Usually these types are the same characters that say anyone with an opposing opinion to the party line obviously has a 'skewed sense of integrity and honor' when all they are really guilty of is being able to think for themselves.

STR

 

[Spark]

No disrespect intended, but Spark, why do you always jump into these threads? I know this is your place, and of course you can do anything that you want, but every Strider this & that thread seems to wind up with you getting into it with somebody. There's no arguing with these morons, so why do you even bother? The Strider marketing machine has converted X number of people into intractable disciples, and no amount of well-phrased and thoughtful logic is going to change that fact.

No disrespect taken. For many years I did stay out of all of these threads because I didn't see anything worth taking part in. It's only after seeing yet another 30+ page thread on how Mick Strider is being unfairly treated that I bothered clicking and reading through it. When I read some of the claims made & referenced, I went looking for more information. I backed that information up, put it all together, then presented it in a seperate thread.

That thread turned into the 80+ attack on me. After a week of that, I locked it because nobody in the Strider camp could address the arguments, and things started to die down. Then 2 weeks later the "Spark crossed the line thread came up" - so naturally I'm going to deal with that. Then the original CS / Strider thread that piqued my interest was "revived" by someone. Now this thread is going.

The common theme in all of these threads is that
1, I'm not starting them (I locked the one I started) and
2, the supporters keep trying to dispute the facts.

I'm not in every Strider thread on this site. Do a search for "Strider" and see how many threads there are. The "fire brigade" though, seems to be very busy trying to sweep things back under the rug.

Anyhow, I agree - there's no convincing the True Believers. That said, I'm not going to let my motives and such be maligned by those who defend such a person.