Strider Knives?

Another thing, someone posted up there why don't you try to make a knife to see what goes into it,JEEZ, I haven't even Made my own knife yet. I just refinished a few. Put a hand rubbed finish on and put Micarta handles on, and made a few kydex sheaths, and that takes FOREVER. and it's hard work. Very hard. So when I look at the intracite grinds on most striders, Sometimes I wonder why they are so cheap!!
 
killerskill said:
Anyone that would post something like that DEFINATLY has never held a STRIDER. I have ALL kinds of knives,Sebenza, Spidie's, BM's. Alittle bit'o everything. and my first Strider was an SMF Tanto, And when it arrived I swear it was the first knife that I've EVER got in the mail and opend the box and was ABSOLUTELY BLOWN AWAY. And completely impressed. Everything was perfect for me. So now Basicly all I buy are Striders. Maybe an Emerson, Or Simonech,Trident. but Strider is My No.1. Some people might not like the styles, but basicly the only people that don't get it or don't like it are those that have never held and used one, Those that don't like Mick, and those that can't afford it and wish they could, so they knock it because of the price. I can't afford it but I make myself, I save and sacrafice because knives and SD are very important to me so I WILL buy the BEST. And know one can say anything about the quality or toughness or peformance. And By the way Mick WAS a Ranger, he was 2/75 but not deployed. And yes he's a felon and did 6 or so years in the FED pen. To me that makes him WAY more of a BAD A** and WAY more qualified to make knives, especially fighting knives, then any SPEC-OPS dude or LEO. He probably made some bad a** shanks in the pen. Anyway he Makes Bad a** knives now so none of that even matters to me. If you don't like the price point go buy a S&W folder at the flea market then upgrade to a spyderco maybe.
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"He probably made some bad a** shanks in the pen. "

Are you serious? :D:D:D LOL
You must feel better with that off your chest.
Are you suggesting I should look for a local Con to make me a Shiv? :D
 
A superbly worded challenge question. Many will absolutely hate my answer.
1) Humans are foolish and are very easily fooled
2) Humans, including knife buying humans are in search of inner, personal harmony-weather real or perceived. Materialism is believed by many to be a path to such harmony.
3) The average consumer has been conditioned ( by media ) to believe that the highest quality of product ( and thus harmony or happiness) comes at the highest relative cost. I've seen this formula play itself out in many domains of consumerism over decades- I'm sure many of you have as well.
4) Marketeers that capitalize on human folly, depend almost exclusively on one of the classic "Seven Deadly Sins" namely - Lust. While harmony is the objective, feeding ones lust is the mechanism.
5) The intrinsic cost of the products' manufacture has almost NO bearing on the perceived value of the end product. In other words, once a marketeer has established the formula:
Unfulfilled Lust For Harmony + Perceived Fulfiller of Lust For Harmony = Perceived Harmony
Then > The Sky Is the Limit.
6) Given the proper marketing plan, slick graphic design and a legion of planted "enthusiasts" seeding the 'Communities of Interest' AKA Forums, a savvy marketer can sell ordinary stones wrapped with twine on a stick for any price, do so consistently and at an ever increasing cost so long as the formula (a spell actually) is not broken.
7) I suspect that it is for this reason that Strider products (I can't swear to this since I've never actually evaluated one in person) that fail to meet the fundamental requirements of a highly ergonomic, or even effective knife- can sell for so high a price. The same can be said of legions of products that we lust for in many domains. Indeed, in the West and in America in particular, this predicament is rampant.
8)As an expert in this business of perceived value versus actual value, I can tell you that this paradigm is and has been rampant through human commerce ever since the first medicinal potions or tokens were concocted by wily medicine men a million years ago! I'm taking about snake oil merchants you see.
9)So by now you either understand what I'm saying or you've got that glazed look on your face and think I'm a nut. Not a problem-once the spell is broken, you'll get it.
In all fairness, If Strider Knives are made in the USA, from USA manufactured steel and are wrapped with paracord made in USA factories by American citizens paying US taxes and earning decent benefits and wages, then I'm not going to complain unduly as I fully expect that a goodly portion of the Strider Knives revenue trickles down through the corporate and manufacturing hierarchy.
I wince at fellow citizens that deride the premium cost of premium American made goods and can, with a clear conscience, watch as many of our good manufacturing jobs are transfered overseas to companies that pay their workers slave's wages. That's a larger subject than this post is intended to deal with, but I feel that making the relevant connection is germane.
Feel free to ask for clarification and I'll gladly give it to you.
 
Moodino, is that why hopeless Golf hackers pay thousands on the latest Callaways and Nikes?
So that they can be hopeless hackers in style? ;)
 
moonino, wow an expert ! and like the smartest man alive while the masses are dopes who fall for anything.

BTW I think you mean WHETHER.
 
If this formula didnt work everyone would have been driving around in the cheapest possible car that did the job and we would had more or less just one car, the VW Beetle. Biggest production numbers (before Golf) hence lowest price. The knives and other tools would also exactly on the balance point of price versus value. BUT now the formula works and therefore we get a new car every second year (except in Sweden where half the units from a production years still run in traffic after 17 year), get a new cell phone every year or often, get the most expensive knives you can afford, so most people will be cutting sticks for marshmallows or sausages with knives that if they had existed three hundred years ago they still would have worked.
Why buy a new fancy 50" LCD TV when the old 20" B/W TV worked?
Why buy a Strider or Bark River or Fallkniven etc...?
Why buy your girlfriend bigger boobs?
Why buy a new mobile when the old one is just a year old.
Why buy Playstation 3, when you already have 1 and 2?

Just because you can, or actually because you are told by advertisers that you are an inferior person otherwise.
 
MPE said:
Actually, sometimes you have to explain the nuances of how something works to get to the end result(answers to the questions). When I explain the fact that he/she needs to research and handle the knife or knives, it is not off topic, to each his/her own. When I explain market, price of production and demand, I am not off topic either. He wanted to know why they cost what they do. I also wanted to push the issue of buyer beware(read the posts here and learn in other words).

His question was a more complex question that needs to be addressed more thoroughly. When someone asks such a question they are either trolling or looking for assurance from people here to buy or not to buy. I would not want to recommend something I haven't handled myself, but felt I did have legitimate answers to the questions.


I seen mention of production cost, demand, quality(usually coinsides with production costs) and to each his/her own. I just happened to add one fascet to the list and make it a little more long winded. Just like this reply! So,
I'm sorry for being long winded, and, since I had to explain myself, I am sorry I went off topic MPE
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MPE,

Misunderstanding. I agree, word for word, with you and with John T Wylie Jr.
What i tried to say is that in a thread about the Strider knives there is no place beetween:"The dirty job has to be done and i'm the proud owner of a Strider knife coz i'm a bada.. and so on"and:"Strider knives are craps wrapped in a piece of rope and the marketing is based on lies and felony and so on" for rational arguments.
Many people (i'm one of them) who own a Strider knife can take it for what it is and explain that it's only a tool among many others, that nobody is obliged to pay that price and that it's a question of individual choice, waste of time and effort, an other thread will come again and again with the same irrational arguments.
That's why i've said you were off topic (not the place for rationality) by irony and disillusion but certainly not to make you offence.

dantzk.
 
det said:
And nothing speaks more of integrety than a mediocre knifemaker bashing an industry leader. Hey, maybe those comments will help you sell one more Busse-looking knife.

Many of the makers mentioned in this thread make a good knife, including CRK, Busse, Dozier, and Strider.
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Let's see what you can make with 2 years of on and off knifemaking experience in a 3' x 3' room with just a Grizzly Grinder. You can buy one of these grinders for $395. Why don't you pick one up instead of a Strider and see what you can do? You're probably one of these kids with daddy's money, driving daddys' BMW, pretending you're some "tough guy" because you got a Strider. :jerkit: Why don't you try making a knife, instead of buying one? Because you fall for B.S.

Strider's grinds are easy. I know what goes into knifemaking because I am a knifemaker. I know what they should charge, but somewhere along the B.S. that Mick has fed the general public, he's created that "Louis Vuitton" mentality for people to think that they're buying something more valuable than they are. They're basically buying a cord wrapped, sand blasted piece of metal. Not a lot of fit and finish has gone into the making of their knives yet they charge a premium.

The "Ferrari" of knives makers I can think of are makers such as: Bob Loveless, Bill Moran and other greats. Mick Strider ain't one of them, he isn't even in the same league. His fit and finish isn't as good, and most importantly to me: he lacks integrity and is full of B.S.

He built a reputation on lies, if he were just a regular knifemaker I wouldn't have any problem with him or his company He said he was a Ranger -but in actual fact, he wasn't. This is an unethical way to get a step up on other knifemakers and disrespects all those who are Rangers. Just a guy who likes to B.S.
 
pit man said:
Buy one of these and pocket the change...
http://www.coldsteel.com/80ft.html
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This is a good link to help ask this question, besides the supply and demand explanation does strider really have any performance benefits worth $300.00 over the knife in the above link? I guess I still don't understand the logic behind buying a strider when you can buy one of these... :D

I didn’t mean to hit a soft spot with some you people, I am just wondering why these knives are hundreds of dollars “better” than others. Many of you answered the question with a simple “their not better, their just more expensive because of supply and demand” and this is a great answer, and I thank you. :)

PS - No "Trolling" or Strider bashing intended just curious as to the Strider company and your views on the subject.
 
dantzk8 said:
MPE,

Misunderstanding. I agree, word for word, with you and with John T Wylie Jr.
What i tried to say is that in a thread about the Strider knives there is no place beetween:"The dirty job has to be done and i'm the proud owner of a Strider knife coz i'm a bada.. and so on"and:"Strider knives are craps wrapped in a piece of rope and the marketing is based on lies and felony and so on" for rational arguments.
Many people (i'm one of them) who own a Strider knife can take it for what it is and explain that it's only a tool among many others, that nobody is obliged to pay that price and that it's a question of individual choice, waste of time and effort, an other thread will come again and again with the same irrational arguments.
That's why i've said you were off topic (not the place for rationality) by irony and disillusion but certainly not to make you offence.





Sorry Dantzk8, My bad! I did misunderstand your point and am sorry for that.I like to find rational reasons for situations to add to mounting evidence or subtract from clouded minds if possible.dantzk.
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I also agree with marketing schemes. I am no expert but have been in retail commission sales and management/ownership for 17 years. Sales is a perception of value in the eyes of a consumer who is ready to buy now or later. Your job in sales is to show the consumer why your's over their's(competition) and why now(creating immediacy) instead of later. Strider, along with many companies, makes a solid product, but also does well in other areas in order to market and sell their knives. Any person who wants to kid themselves into thinking they are the sole decision maker in buying a product will only need to take a marketing class or two. Do you think someone who is almost at the point of wetting their pants because they want to buy something so bad will not be swayed?

I will close by saying, all the knives mentioned here are great knives worthy of mention and carry by all. I have seen alot of great knives offered in the Makers area and am glad I visited there. I have bought a few, of course not near enough and will surely buy more. If you want a Strider, buy one! They are a great knife/tool. If you do not, there are plenty of others to choose from.

MPE
 
MPE,

I do feel better, i don't like to be in desagreement with somebody i agree with!
My english being what it is your misunderstanding is understandable!

dantzk.
 
Flatgrinder, no doubt your expertise in making knives has you thinking a certain way when you try to talk down Strider - which only allocutes to how easy it is to make a knife. The Loveless legend was built on a simple drop point hunter that is the most widely copied in use today, not bad for a simple carbon steel knife with old style guard and materials. I don't plan on dropping $3,500 on one real soon.

Simple works, and updated with technical materials, heat treat, and style - now we have Strider. Like it or not, old school methods are expensive hand labor - which is why so many customs are now in the $600 range to accomodate the work.

I bought my SnG in full awareness of the cheap trash talk about Mick - but a titanium framelock with Ranger Green G10 grip and a Bos recipe heat treat S30V flat ground blade in a double choil hunter pattern just doesn't seem to be in the Walmart case. So I saved my money, drove my 90 Jeep Cherokee to the post office and mailed it to the seller, knowing I wouldn't have to buy any more cheap knives for the rest of my life.

I didn't waste the money on a chinese grinder to make an argument about somebody else's success. Why didn't you get a real one, like a Bader, Wilton, or Burr King, and work on positively marketing your work to the level the market will bear?

Did somebody suggest you grind rip-off designs from Busse? That would be a poor witness of your ingenuity and honor if it was you.
 
tirod3 said:
Flatgrinder, no doubt your expertise in making knives has you thinking a certain way when you try to talk down Strider - which only allocutes to how easy it is to make a knife. The Loveless legend was built on a simple drop point hunter that is the most widely copied in use today, not bad for a simple carbon steel knife with old style guard and materials. I don't plan on dropping $3,500 on one real soon.

Simple works, and updated with technical materials, heat treat, and style - now we have Strider. Like it or not, old school methods are expensive hand labor - which is why so many customs are now in the $600 range to accomodate the work.

I bought my SnG in full awareness of the cheap trash talk about Mick - but a titanium framelock with Ranger Green G10 grip and a Bos recipe heat treat S30V flat ground blade in a double choil hunter pattern just doesn't seem to be in the Walmart case. So I saved my money, drove my 90 Jeep Cherokee to the post office and mailed it to the seller, knowing I wouldn't have to buy any more cheap knives for the rest of my life.

I didn't waste the money on a chinese grinder to make an argument about somebody else's success. Why didn't you get a real one, like a Bader, Wilton, or Burr King, and work on positively marketing your work to the level the market will bear?

Did somebody suggest you grind rip-off designs from Busse? That would be a poor witness of your ingenuity and honor if it was you.
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I made one for myself, not sure where all the accusations are coming from. Just cuz you don't know how to grind a blade ;)
 
Thanks for explaining - and I really don't know how to grind :rolleyes: , but I'm trying to get "life" out of my disposable time to learn.

I'm only interested in flat grinds - I've never really liked the show-off hollow grinds, especially on expensive hunting knives. It's like it was built to sell to someone who doesn't have a clue.
 
Call me sentimental but I will always have a problem with one knifemaker knocking another on a public knife forum.

I have always thought the knife world was above this but I guess I was wrong.

No I don't "guess" I was wrong, this thread proves I am wrong. Why again should I only buy from American knife makers?????
 
EXACTLY! and Brand Name America laughs all the way to the bank on their way to the golf course :D
Danno4017 said:
Moodino, is that why hopeless Golf hackers pay thousands on the latest Callaways and Nikes?
So that they can be hopeless hackers in style? ;)
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Well I can't be the SMARTEST 'cause I aint the RICHEST. Bill Gates is the richest you see- a man who's suckered Millions of folks on his way to the bank LOL !:D Thanks for the gramatical and spelling corrections. English is not my native or mother's language:D :D :D
Lone Hunter said:
moonino, wow an expert ! and like the smartest man alive while the masses are dopes who fall for anything.

BTW I think you mean WHETHER.
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