Strider PT. 30 disappointing minutes.

I guess he got tired of eating foot so he changed the menu to crow.

Not really. Most of the guys (Anti-Strider) just harp on the fact that Mick lied about his service. And not even in any real detail... they just say Mick's a liar and a scumbag. They never give any other reasons... and when you ask... why should I care about all that if it doesn't effect the quality of the knife... some people actually imply that you're anti-soldier. I've never seen a more aggressive bunch of "Haters" in my life. And I hate to use that word because it sounds like I'm 50 cent or something. Now Spark on the other hand very calmly showed me to some information and even said... it's my money... do what I like. I can't find any fault in that approach. And so he really seems like he's trying to help me make an infomed decision rather than striking up the mob and lighting the torches.
 
Not really. Most of the guys (Anti-Strider) just harp on the fact that Mick lied about his service. And not even in any real detail... they just say Mick's a liar and a scumbag. They never give any other reasons... and when you ask... why should I care about all that if it doesn't effect the quality of the knife... some people actually imply that you're anti-soldier.

No, you're must making things up in order to distract people from the extremely offensive things you've said about military service.

I suppose you could provide links to the many threads in which just this reaction occurs, but I doubt you will.
 
If you had done any searching on the subject you would have found that all this information has been there for you to read for a very long time. There is a huge thread on this subforum that covered the subject about as thoroughly as it could have been covered.

man it has been covered a few times lol, imho this thread is one of the more civil ones though................i certainly have seen some a lot worse.
 
No, you're must making things up

No, I'm not. You're not being honest. I said I think it's rediculous to bring the military honor code stuff into a knife purchase. And people begin to imply that I don't care about troups or the lives lost in wars... which is simply stupid. I don't have a great stake in the military honor code because I'm not a part of that community. It doesn't mean anything to me personally... not that I can't understand why it's so important to military people. It's their world... But a guy lying about his service doesn't change my life. For that matter it doesn't change yours either Phil (unless you were in the service in which case I am wrong about it's impact on you). But you enjoy creating this fake outrage just so that you can have a chance to bash someone in the cove and try to pretend you're so much more thoughtful than them. Whatever bro... You're not worth my time.
 
No, I'm not. You're not being honest.

I'm being completely honest. You took a giant crap over the concept of military service and now you're trying to backpedal (while pausing to make ostentatious displays of gratitude to those capable of banning you) in order to distance yourself from those comments.

I don't have a great stake in the military honor code because I'm not a part of that community. It doesn't mean anything to me personally...

Yes, I'm quite certain concepts of personal honor mean nothing to you.

But you enjoy creating this fake outrage just so that you can have a chance to bash someone in the cove and try to pretend you're so much more thoughtful than them. Whatever bro... You're not worth my time.

Your personal insecurities about whether you are perceived as "thoughtful" are not my problem. Work them out on your own time.
 
Steel junky, you need to think about the major point of the entire discussion - it's all about how individuals interpret a code of honor and the foundational ethics and morals that created it.

It's been the whole point for over 5 years, and whether it's a relevant indicator of the way individuals are conducting themselves now.

It's also important to consider whether the issue actually affects any one of us outside the half dozen or so specifically involved. They no longer post or discuss it, and I'm going to follow their example.

Having specifically called out others they have no right or part in the argument, I'm going to follow my own advice.
 
I'm being completely honest. You took a giant crap over the concept of military service and now you're trying to backpedal (while pausing to make ostentatious displays of gratitude to those capable of banning you) in order to distance yourself from those comments.

You are a piece of work you know that? I never experessed a lack of support for our troops, and I never said anything that I considered offensive to troups. I said why drag this honor code crap into it. And I think it is crap to bring that into a knife purchase when it has no bearing on the quality of the product. Now... what I didn't take into account is that it is very important to some people that the maker of their knife also be a good guy. But I'm not the only one that feels like I do. However mine seems to be the unpopular opinion. I saw a thread a while back where members who said that Striders Lies don't matter to them when purchasing his products... many of the same members burned them down as well as if they just didn't get basic ethics. Some people look at it differently. Some take it WAY too seriously... and some possibly don't take it seriously enough. But I have never shown any ill will towards our military. My father and uncle were in the service during Nam and my Best friend has been to Iraq... you think I would have found it funny if any one of them were hurt? You create conflict where none exists Phil... because you enjoy it. And then even quicker to toss the old Troll lable out there. But I don't care what you think. So it doesn't bother me.

And I am not falsely grateful to Spark... he gave me something to read. And I thanked him for it. One other member gave me a few links and I also thanked him... does that member have ban powers as well. people who are nice to me... I'm nice right back. People like you... who think this site belongs to you and want to bash people who aren't in your little club... I'm not so nice to.



Yes, I'm quite certain concepts of personal honor mean nothing to you.

In my job you are judged by personal ethics. So I have to understand them. Ethics are a huge issue in my field. But when I buy a knife... I don't put any thought into who the maker is... just the quality of the product. Do you buy Cold Steel products Phil? I bet all of us at one point have. Lynn is thought of as a dirty guy too. But It never mattered to me when choosing to buy one of his knives. It just didn't matter. But because Strider lied about his military service he is seen as the damn devil. One lie is just as good as another to me and I don't really care about personal drama when buying a knife.

Now the thread Spark showed me showed that Mick kinda gave a crap reason for his knived feeling much like a brick in the hand. That gave me something to think about. Even if it's well made... I don't know if I want a knife that handles poorly. But Cliff Stamp also said even though it wasn't the most comfortable handle... you did eventually get used to it and it was among the most stable in the hand when covered in things like blood or oil. I don't know why Cliff was banned I've read some of his articles at Cutlery Science and he seems to be a very knowledgable fella... one might even say an expert. Hope it wasn't because he dare say Strider was worth a look. But never the less I considered the info and was grateful for it.



Your personal insecurities about whether you are perceived as "thoughtful" are not my problem. Work them out on your own time.

Nice try at deflection... but I'm too smart for that.
 
Steel junky, you need to think about the major point of the entire discussion - it's all about how individuals interpret a code of honor and the foundational ethics and morals that created it.

It's been the whole point for over 5 years, and whether it's a relevant indicator of the way individuals are conducting themselves now.

It's also important to consider whether the issue actually affects any one of us outside the half dozen or so specifically involved. They no longer post or discuss it, and I'm going to follow their example.

Having specifically called out others they have no right or part in the argument, I'm going to follow my own advice.

I do get it... believe me. But I think people take it a little too far sometime. Follow me here for a second. As STR said... lies about one's serivice in certain situations can get men killed. So if a guy was BSing his service record in order to get a job training joes or cops and would eventually get them killed with bad training... I ABSOLUTELY see the evil in that. putting someone else in danger to get something you want is not cool ever. But we're talking about a knife. I get it that if he's a liar... then his product might not be as good as he claims it to be. I'm not going with his claims... I'm going with the many people who own strider knives who rave about their quality and functionality. And Mick even stated that if you want a better feeling grip... he'll make one of ya. And from all accounts he's a nice person and runs a good company. He's a liar... sure... but he makes a good product and gives excellent customer service to his customers from what I hear. And I've never heard of someone buying a knife from Strider and getting anything other than a Strider. So yes... I understand why lying about one's service makes them a liar... I understand why it can get people killed in the wrong situation... But can being a liar about your service record get anyone killed IF (and this is the big if) your product is everything it's cracked up to be. For the same reason his lies aren't going to keep me from buying his knife... Just because a maker actually was an Navy Seal or Delta Force wouldn't get me to buy their knives if the quality of the knife wasn't there. Some people feel the opposite way... One member said they'd buy junk from a war hero just because they were a war hero. Good for them. But I don't like paying for junk.
 
But because Strider lied about his military service he is seen as the damn devil.
This isn't accurate.

Strider lied about his military service, combat experience, firearms, and a host of other topics for a period of almost a decade. He used these lies to advance his designs as if they were superior, based on this fictional experience. He traded on the blood & deaths of actual veterans to push his agenda. He pushed his massive amount of experience in special operations when in reality he was a discharged private E-1 who went AWOL.

He slandered / libeled other veterans repeatedly, to the point where he got sued & had to admit that he was a liar in court documents.

Magazine articles stated that he was overseas doing secret squirrel work when reality he was serving time in the federal pen for carjacking.

When called out by a competitor, Strider straight up lied and said he was supposed to be sentenced to Somalia (which is where I had enough and stepped in).

When called on lies, his first reaction was not to be honest and stop, but to continue lying.

His cronies have spread all sorts of additional stories trying to discredit anyone who dares question the BS stories; and even have tried to get people fired from their jobs. Let me repeat that: instead of holding a liar accountable for his actions, groupies tried to get people fired from their jobs because they dared question Strider's BS. His cronies have been very handy at "spreading the word" to gain publicity or provide bona-fides where no actual history exists. Not surprisingly, several of these cronies & vouchers have now turned out to be fakers themselves, including his partner Duane Dwyer, the "verified" Marine Corps Scout / Sniper with "combat kills" who was actually a Digital Data Technician in the Marines. Fakes vouching for fakes vouching for fakes, getting articles written and spreading lies across the country.

This isn't just "oh he told a tall tale and big deal". This a pattern of behavior that has gone on for years, with a network of people engaging in dishonest and unethical behavior, willingly & otherwise. If you don't understand how bad this is, I don't know what to tell you.

I don't know why Cliff was banned I've read some of his articles at Cutlery Science and he seems to be a very knowledgable fella... one might even say an expert. Hope it wasn't because he dare say Strider was worth a look. But never the less I considered the info and was grateful for it.
This is a hilariously sad attempt to make me look like a bad guy because Cliff got banned for something unrelated. Cliff got banned, quite frankly, because he decided to talk a bunch of crap about this site that had no basis in reality. That's it. You'd be better served by not trying to blameshift and dirty up people you disagree with, and instead focusing on the topics at hand.
 
I never experessed a lack of support for our troops, and I never said anything that I considered offensive to troups.

Yes, you did. Your words are here for all to see.

I said why drag this honor code crap into it. And I think it is crap to bring that into a knife purchase when it has no bearing on the quality of the product.

Again, this is why I'm quite certain concepts like honor have no meaning to you, by your own admission.

My father and uncle were in the service during Nam and my Best friend has been to Iraq... you think I would have found it funny if any one of them were hurt?

Do yourself a favor and don't ever tell them what you think of their "honor code crap." They won't appreciate it.

You create conflict where none exists Phil... because you enjoy it. And then even quicker to toss the old Troll lable out there. But I don't care what you think. So it doesn't bother me.

People who don't care what I think generally don't need to tell me, elaborately, that they don't care. They just... don't. It's obvious you do care, or you wouldn't be spinning your wheels here. The only person "creating conflict where none exists" here is you.

And I am not falsely grateful to Spark... he gave me something to read. And I thanked him for it. One other member gave me a few links and I also thanked him... does that member have ban powers as well. people who are nice to me... I'm nice right back. People like you... who think this site belongs to you and want to bash people who aren't in your little club... I'm not so nice to.

I'm sorry you feel excluded and that your feelings are hurt because membership in a nonexistent "little club" has somehow been denied you. Perhaps if you stopped thinking of this in junior-high-school terms and actually tried behaving like an adult, you wouldn't find yourself in conflict with virtually every other member of the forum each and every time you post your vile crap.

In my job you are judged by personal ethics. So I have to understand them.

Clearly you don't.

But when I buy a knife... I don't put any thought into who the maker is... just the quality of the product. Do you buy Cold Steel products Phil? I bet all of us at one point have. Lynn is thought of as a dirty guy too.

Has Lynn taken a giant dump on the concept of military service or personal honor? If he has, I'm not aware of it. But then, this argument isn't with him. It's with you.

But It never mattered to me when choosing to buy one of his knives. It just didn't matter. But because Strider lied about his military service he is seen as the damn devil. One lie is just as good as another to me and I don't really care about personal drama when buying a knife.

Then why do you interject so much personal drama on this forum?

I don't know why Cliff was banned I've read some of his articles at Cutlery Science and he seems to be a very knowledgable fella... one might even say an expert.

"One" might. I wouldn't. Cliff Stamp was not an "expert." Cliff Stamp was an attention whore who broke knives because he could, and who believed this meant something when it didn't.
 
This thread is obviously going down the same road most Strider threads go, but I'm honestly confused as to how it got from a question about how the knife was packaged and lack of instructions, the amount of lock engagement(numbers that are very inaccurate, BTW) and customer service based on a phone call going to a message machine. For the first 47 posts, it was going rather well until Hardheart decided to make mention of things other than what was being discussed. And the OP seemed to bait others into drawing some conclusions as well. He so much as admits he stirred things up and than the battle lines started being drawn, like always. Eventually, the thread got moved to GB&U where it is now. I'll openly admit I like Strider knives and have had good luck with the 8 or so I've owned.
My question is-why has this thread moved from General to GB&U? Did Strider Knives not deliver their product? Is the lack of instructions worthy of negative feedback? Is the lock engagement faulty? Is Customer Service crappy because the initial call went to answering machine?
When you read any number of threads where an OP posts than exits after a couple of posts, he/she is often called a troll. Why is this one different?
 
This isn't accurate.

Strider lied about his military service, combat experience, firearms, and a host of other topics for a period of almost a decade. He used these lies to advance his designs as if they were superior, based on this fictional experience. He traded on the blood & deaths of actual veterans to push his agenda. He pushed his massive amount of experience in special operations when in reality he was a discharged private E-1 who went AWOL.

He slandered / libeled other veterans repeatedly, to the point where he got sued & had to admit that he was a liar in court documents.

Magazine articles stated that he was overseas doing secret squirrel work when reality he was serving time in the federal pen for carjacking.

When called out by a competitor, Strider straight up lied and said he was supposed to be sentenced to Somalia (which is where I had enough and stepped in).

When called on lies, his first reaction was not to be honest and stop, but to continue lying.

His cronies have spread all sorts of additional stories trying to discredit anyone who dares question the BS stories; and even have tried to get people fired from their jobs. Let me repeat that: instead of holding a liar accountable for his actions, groupies tried to get people fired from their jobs because they dared question Strider's BS. His cronies have been very handy at "spreading the word" to gain publicity or provide bona-fides where no actual history exists. Not surprisingly, several of these cronies & vouchers have now turned out to be fakers themselves, including his partner Duane Dwyer, the "verified" Marine Corps Scout / Sniper with "combat kills" who was actually a Digital Data Technician in the Marines. Fakes vouching for fakes vouching for fakes, getting articles written and spreading lies across the country.

This isn't just "oh he told a tall tale and big deal". This a pattern of behavior that has gone on for years, with a network of people engaging in dishonest and unethical behavior, willingly & otherwise. If you don't understand how bad this is, I don't know what to tell you.

I do understand that he is a total liar. And probably a scumbag and doesn't deserve any respect. I get that. But I want to ask the simple question without seeming like I'm stiring the pot... Does this make the product bad? Can anyone please point to me any info that Strider knives are of poor quality. I won't ask about their price because that is subjective. But are the knives of poor quality and construction. I know their finish is raw... but what about the quality of product as a whole?


This is a hilariously sad attempt to make me look like a bad guy because Cliff got banned for something unrelated. Cliff got banned, quite frankly, because he decided to talk a bunch of crap about this site that had no basis in reality. That's it. You'd be better served by not trying to blameshift and dirty up people you disagree with, and instead focusing on the topics at hand.

I apologize, I really wasn't trying to fix blame. A lot of the posts I've seen in searches under his name he appeared to be a knowledgable and nice fella. But I haven't read them all so it's obvious something happened where there was a falling out or improper behavior on his part. Enough said. It's none of my business.
 
Every time you post, you dig deeper. Statements like this ^ are what got you here, it's best you just to stop now. :)

I agree... I'm bowing out. Got a new Busse AK47 today... think I'm gonna go play with that and just walk away from this.
 
Do yourself a favor and don't ever tell them what you think of their "honor code crap." They won't appreciate it.

To be honest i've had this debate with my Military friend. And he's fine with it. I've told him I don't come from that world and while I understand it's personal to him... It isn't for me. And we agree to leave it there. He doesn't expect me to jump on board and feel outrage that I don't have.



Has Lynn taken a giant dump on the concept of military service or personal honor? If he has, I'm not aware of it. But then, this argument isn't with him. It's with you.

Don't know. I don't pay any attention to a knife maker or company owners personal bagage... I just shop for good knives.



"One" might. I wouldn't. Cliff Stamp was not an "expert." Cliff Stamp was an attention whore who broke knives because he could, and who believed this meant something when it didn't.

While I disagree with you you're entitled to your opinion. But I'm walking away from this one.
 
To be honest i've had this debate with my Military friend. And he's fine with it. I've told him I don't come from that world and while I understand it's personal to him... It isn't for me. And we agree to leave it there. He doesn't expect me to jump on board and feel outrage that I don't have.

He is remarkably tolerant of your moral bankruptcy. I applaud him for his tolerance.

Don't know. I don't pay any attention to a knife maker or company owners personal bagage... I just shop for good knives.

Then don't ask stupid questions if you don't understand the implications you are trying to make.

While I disagree with you you're entitled to your opinion. But I'm walking away from this one.

Good. Walk away. It's not an argument you can win. You may be "entitled to your opinion," but your opinion is uninformed and not based on the facts of objective reality. It is therefore wrong. You are "entitled" to be wrong, I suppose. One hopes in the future you'll keep your mouth shut.
 
Steel junky, you need to think about the major point of the entire discussion - it's all about how individuals interpret a code of honor and the foundational ethics and morals that created it.

It's been the whole point for over 5 years, and whether it's a relevant indicator of the way individuals are conducting themselves now.

It's also important to consider whether the issue actually affects any one of us outside the half dozen or so specifically involved. They no longer post or discuss it, and I'm going to follow their example.

Having specifically called out others they have no right or part in the argument, I'm going to follow my own advice.

You also have missed the point.

Had this particular individual stepped up, admitted he lied to the knife community, and accurately explained his situation and the reason he lied, this crap would have died years ago.

Instead, he chose to tell most of us to lick my sack, losers and continue being a poser, and duping the kool aid drinkers. He doesn't discuss it any longer because he doesn't have the guts to admit he lied to the knife community. His silence speaks volumes.

It isn't about the knives; they speak for themselves. It is about the individuals who grind them, assemble them, place their name on them, and their integrity.
 
I have been following this thread and must admit I am a bit confused. I don't own any Strider Knives but even if they were the best product in the world I can't imagine that anyone who has honorably served in the military or has any relative that has, or for that matter has even an ounce of respect for our armed forces would even consider supporting these people by purchasing their products.
 
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