Strider PT. 30 disappointing minutes.

What's the big deal? Let the guy spend his money any way he wants.
Lots of high and mighty folks on here, this guy shouldn't have to justify or explain himself.
Stolen knives and a dishonest knifemaker is apples and oranges.
 
I don't see high and mighty here at all. If that is all you see from people expressing distate for someone embellishing their military history to sell their own products better or spring board their company long before anyone knew if it made anything worth a darn or not I really think you are putting blinders on like someone else here that can't even see how one thing affects him personally and so does another.

No one is stopping anyone from spending their money how they like and stolen knives may be different than a dishonest knifemaker but that is not the way it was presented as I recall. The stolen knives are not what you should compare it to its the selling of or buying of the stolen knives or other property which would be the comparison because its not only a crime but its dishonest and just as dishonest as a dishonest knife maker so in that regard yes it is apples to apples for dishonesty in both cases.

No one is disputing the build quality or the blade steel or anything about the physical make up of the Strider knives. That just clouds the issue to bring up really but hey if an SnG folder or one of the Strider fixed sheath knives is all I had in a survival situation you're darn straight I'd use it and be thankful for it but I should still be free to voice displeasure or distaste for their behavior and even appreciate that others find it distasteful that Mick and Duane made the choices they did regarding their lies and deception to all of us without a label of being high and mighty. I see it as something my father called common decency. If it doesn't bother you that they lied to you like they did to the rest of us thats your choice. To some it is a bigger deal not so easy to just shrug off because they make good tools but reason enough to question their other statements and wonder if that is truthful or deception. I don't see any problem understanding that at all personally.

Obviously others are well aware of the situation and still choose to do business with them. I think Strider should count themselves lucky for that. I would really love to see if those of you that have justified still dealing with, supporting and trusting them would still feel the same way if something similar to what has occurred to Strider were to come up with someone you would just love to pounce on like Lynn Thompson. I bet then if you knew you wouldn't sound like total hypocrites from all that was said in threads like this one that you'd all find a whole different take on the matter then.

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I don't usually post in threads like this because they are such a waste of time, but somebody tell me when this stuff will stop being rehashed?

I know the world almost came to an end a few years ago when all this information was discovered :rolleyes:

Does it ever get dropped? I'm glad that mistakes I've made years ago are revisited on a regular basis. I'm starting to feel bad about telling my 8th grade History teacher the dog ate my homework.

If some folks put as much effort into solving the worlds problems as they do bashing Mick, Duane, and Strider knives...the world would be a much better place.

Thanks :thumbup:
 
No one is bashing Mick, Duane, and Strider knives. The knives will have to perform for themselves. Mick and Duane were shown up as frauds. Documenting that truth is not bashing.

If you want this thread to die down, contact everyone defending the indefensible and ask them to drop out. With no controversy, the thread will end.

Keep sneering at people who disagree wit you, and they will sneer back.
 
Okay now lets just get this over with...Both myself and my partner Duane, are combat vets. REAL combat vets. Whatever that may mean, I guarantee we qualify
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Based on Mick Strider's above remark he must know, based on his combat experience, what is needed to be the very best tactical/combat knife..................Right?
 
Spark said:
Let's take this thread for example. In it, Mick Strider makes all sorts of claims and implies he has all sorts of knowledge.
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LMAO:D Thanks for the laughs! Hell, Mick couldn't even spell "vogue" right, yet he talks about correcting someone who spelled "tactical" improperly.:D Words like vogue and rogue should just be left out of 'tactical' threads. I remember seeing people ask Mick Strider if the (I'm spelling it the way they did) "Rouge Warrior" was going to be at their both again. Were they talking about Dick Marcinko or the latest CoverGirl model?:p

Regards,
3G
 
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wolfmann601 said:
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"Okay now lets just get this over with...Both myself and my partner Duane, are combat vets. REAL combat vets. Whatever that may mean, I guarantee we qualify"

Based on Mick Strider's above remark he must know, based on his combat experience, what is needed to be the very best tactical/combat knife..................Right?
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Well, in his defense, he does say, "whatever that may mean," sort of hinting at the fact that he has no idea what that is. Perhaps the car he got convicted of jacking was a Corvette, which would have, I guess, made it a "combat vet" so to speak?:p

Regards,
3G
 
This is absolutely amazing. :barf: I saw this thread awhile back in "General" ?? Now here we are in GB&U, and as some had already predicted, we have someone with about 60 days of BF membership who crawled out of the woodwork, stirring LOTS .... of people up on old and well known isssues. Very very nice .....

All this amounts to is more free "bad-boy" publicity for Strider & Co. on one of the most active knife forums on the Net ... Please don't get me wrong, I'd love to own a Strider, just can't afford it, but suggest somebody simply lock this thread down or better yet, since in some ways this might even be considered a form of Strider SPAMMING ... , delete the content ...

Anyway .. my 2 cents.
 
Steel-Junky said:
No not really. He takes it as a slap in the face to what he's done and been through. He's explained it to me... it just doesn't hit home with me because... Like most guys in the service say "You don't understand unless you've been there and done that"... and I haven't so it doesn't matter to me. You guys are taking this real personal as if I'm saying troops are stupid or something... that's not where I'm coming from at all. I'm saying it's crap to drag an honor code problem into a freaking knife purchase. Do I want someone putting my buddy's life in danger by lying? No way Hose. But do I care if a knife maker makes up a story as long as the knife is of quality... no... not really. In that respect all I care about is the quality of the knife and not the quality of it's maker. I don't need a knife maker to be a good guy... I need his knives to be good knives. The rest isn't important. It's the quality of the gear.



The fact that you say this shows you understand the flaw in your analogy. We are just talking about a knife. If Mick Strider were labling himself a super soldier and then went into combat with American troups... it ABSOLUTELY matters because like you said... it could get them killed and that is not acceptable. But we're talking about a guy that made some stuff up to sell knives. And anyone who would buy a knife regardless of it's quality just because it was produced by someone who was in the service is gonna get just that... good or bad. But to purchase a knife that is proven to be well made and of great substance regardless of the makers character flaws means you're getting a product that is well made and of great substance. It's just that simple to me.
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i dont think mick "embellished" to sell knives, not really, i think thru the yrs he got his own website and had sub forums on several knife forums and he would be sitting around at nite having a few beers and told one "embellishment", then the next evening he told another, then he had to tell one to cover another and before long it had a life of its own, and folks seemed to be buying it, and off it went all the way up the ladder to the where he was going to somalia to serve his sentence for whatever it was he got into trouble for (car jakking?) and that one, to me anyway, was so far beyond what could possibly be factual it started some folks looking into all of his military service, so imho it was more about bluster, being "cool" & being "one of the boys" & "been there done that" and the respect of all the military guys he hangs with vs selling knives as i said before the knives speak for themselves and would sell fine regardless of his military carreer, or in spite of it.

i knew a guy who "embellished" about being a helicopter pilot in viet nam (who was actually a viet nam era medic in korea according to his DD214, which we finally got, my bud who is a pilot in theTx nat'l guard became suspicious when he let him try to fly a R22 and he didnt have a clue which shocked him as he assumed he would be able to he said he did one tour flying mike model gunships and another in cobras and he could no more fly the R22 than he could jump over the moon lol) and he did it because imho he had a low self esteem and it made him feel "cool" it didnt and wasnt gonna help him monetarily, i know there are a few exceptions but imho embellishment like this is a lot more about a low self esteem than any hopeful monetary advantages, thats my opinion anyway, low self esteem + probably some peer pressure + probably a bit too much booze.

did it help with sales? probably, to a point, if the knives sucked they wouldnt have sold anyway though, i just dont think thats what his motive was.

as far as the thread spark posted, man mick did get to going sometimes, didnt he lol, i must admit he was as full of shit as a christmas turkey.

and yes its wrong to lie about stuff like that, it is, my dad saw as much combat in WW2 as most anyone did, he rarely spoke of it, in fact, up until the last year or 2 of his life he never ever told me anything about it other than funny stuff that happened, but i knew he had seen some action as he had 2 purple hearts and a silver star and ya gotta do something to get those, when he passed away in his obituary i said he was a WW2 vet in the 88th infantry & was wounded twice and won the silver star, one of my best buds, who i have known since 3rd grade told me 'wow i knew your dad had been in the army prior to WW2 but i didnt even know he had been in WW2" he didnt ever speak of it, and its been my experience that most dont talk about it a lot, in fact, for me, anyone who starts in on what he had done in the military and especially if he makes claims of being in specops or something like that my bullshit detector immediately goes off.
 
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I just read through this entire thread. Can I have my hour back, please?

I did learn a few things though:

1. Apparently, liking a new knife to have a "showroom" finish when I buy it makes me a mall princess.

2. Being honest in business isn't important, as long as your product is passable.

3. Some people seem to have the unfathomable ability to garner respect and loyalty when they really don't appear to deserve it.

4. Which BF members I really need to put on ignore (Although I know I won't. Reading their posts is like rubber-necking at an accident scene. You know it's wrong to look, but you just can't help it).
 
also, FWIW, whos to say that the embellishment didnt start way back when when mick strider was mick burger, back before SKI was around, and all the BS since then has just been more bullshit to cover up earlier bullshit?
 
Woah, this one will never go away will it?

My feelings on Striders are this. If you're going to a theatre of war, then yes by all means buy one. Maybe that camo striped finish will actually save your bacon one day.

However, if you're a regular schmoe with a 9 - 5 job like 99% of the people here, then why not just get a Sebbie or an Emerson framelock?

You'll save yourself a bit of dough in the process, you'll get a box and a piece of paper with your knife to make the experience a little more special

... You'll also get superlative customer service on a par with anything Strider offer ...

And as an added bonus you'll never lose any sleep worrying about the ethics of the company owner, in either case.

Problem solved! ;)
 
gajinoz said:
Somebody a few posts back asked him if he would knowingly buy and resell stolen knives. His answer was to the effect that, no because it would be illegal. Not no, because the person is a scumbag and you shouldn't deal with them, simply because he might get into trouble. Rather revealing I think.
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You're putting words in my mouth and making up my mind for me sir. I said no because it would be illegal. Because breaking the law is wrong.

[quote[Anyway, I've grown rather bored with his nonsense, no more on that subject from me.[/QUOTE]

If only you meant that. :rolleyes:
 
The fact that most men in real combat won't talk about it, let alone brag on it is true.
My Grandpa was in WW2 and served 35 missions as a CFC gunner on a B-29.
What little I found out about his combat record was from reading old newspaper clippings and looking at his picture albums.
One day I was in the library and was reading a book on the B-29 Super-fortress, there his plane was mentioned for having mechanical difficulties and being the last to take off on the famous firebomb raid on Tokyo in March of 1944. When they flew over on their bomb run at 10,000 feet the up draft from the burning city below shot the huge plane upwards a mile! They all received the Distinguished Flying Cross for recovering from this and completing the mission.
Next time I talked to him I said Grandpa was you on that mission? Yes he replied.
Wow, wasn't you afraid? No he said. Why didn't you ever tell me about that?
Not something you talk about he answered.
I don't believe he wasn't afraid (I think being in a very dangerous situation is exactly why most men don't like to talk about it)and I know for fact he shot down Japanese fighter planes attacking the formation, seen suicide planes take out B-29's right beside his plane, saw his best friend die when the B-29 he was on blew up on take off.
No he never talked much at all about these experiences. I had to find out by looking at his albums and reading about it. Then when I'd ask he'd softly tell me yes it was so, no bragging.
 
Spark said:
Except that the military stories were used way back when as a justification for everything and anything. The claims of toughness came from the source, without backing, or from folks associated with the source. Let's take this thread for example. In it, Mick Strider makes all sorts of claims and implies he has all sorts of knowledge.

What does he know about war? He was never in combat.
He says "sharpened crowbars" are superior. Where is this knowledge from? They certainly aren't superior at cutting, the primary task for a knife.
He talks about the unimportance of ergonomics, but what is this based on? His fictional combat experience? He even acknowledges that real use with his design causes "hot spots".
He even compares "his" 1911 (that in reality he doesn't have because he's a felon) to his designs, to give them more credibility.

What's especially hilarious in hindsight is nyeti (Bolke) coming in and talking crap about Walter Mitty types when the people he's endorsing are posers themselves.

Look at claims like this. Most people would never do this to their knife. When the maker themselves is saying it will hold up to it, are you going to take your $400 knife and perform the same test? Or do you believe that most people aren't lying to you and take them at their word?

Hindsight is 20-20. Plenty of people fall victim to liars & get taken in confidence games, otherwise 3 card monte wouldn't still be around. Such is life. Minimizing that it happens only further compounds the problems.
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Spark, Thanks for all the info. It is definitely more than I've gotten for a reason not to buy a Stride than anywhere elser. I'll look it all over closely before making a final decision. I was gonna either buy a Strider or Crusader Forge because I wanted a big beefy folder. What I really want is a Busse Folder but that is a dream that may never come true. A lot of the time there are lines of division in the knife community. I've seen some hardcore spyderco guys and hardcore benchmade guys go at it about who is better and what not... so lot's of the time when someone tells you "You shouldn't buy X or Y knife because so and so is a bad person" it often just comes down to a pissing match when both products are really good. So up until now all I've gotten is "Don't buy a Strider cause Mick is a liar and a bad person, blah blah blah". But you've actually given me something of substance. And I will consider it before making a purchase. Again... thank you. It was more than I'd gotten anywhere else.
 
Steel-Junky said:
So up until now all I've gotten is "Don't buy a Strider cause Mick is a liar and a bad person, blah blah blah". But you've actually given me something of substance. And I will consider it before making a purchase. Again... thank you. It was more than I'd gotten anywhere else.
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If you had done any searching on the subject you would have found that all this information has been there for you to read for a very long time. There is a huge thread on this subforum that covered the subject about as thoroughly as it could have been covered.
 
Keith Montgomery said:
If you had done any searching on the subject you would have found that all this information has been there for you to read for a very long time. There is a huge thread on this subforum that covered the subject about as thoroughly as it could have been covered.
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Most of the searches i did turned up people raving about the qualty of their striders.
 
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