Strider PT. 30 disappointing minutes.

[Steel-Junky]

I'm trying to work out what is wrong with this guy. He's not your normal troll, I don't *think* he's simply trying to cause trouble, I think he just has a basic character flaw, he is unable to understand the concept of integrity. I'm not sure where that fits, Borderline Personality Disorder, maybe something tending towards sociopath, who knows, but it's a definite defect of some sort.

If you say so. I just simply think we disagree on what matters when selecting a knife to purchase. I like quality of materials and construction... I don't need the maker to be a good guy. If being willing to buy a Strider even though Mick Strider told some lies makes me a sociopath... Lock me up then. Cause I want one.

I guess, in the end, it doesn't really matter, I certainly won't be dealing with the guy

You don't have anything I want

All part of the rich tapestry of life I guess. As always, caveat emptor.

Everyone I have dealt with so far have been pleased with the transactions. I'm an honest seller, buyer, and trader. To each his own though.

 

[Steel-Junky]

Personally, I think you'll get banned before the end of March, and BF and its spectacular knife community will be a better place for it.

Not unless you can get banned for having an unpopular opinion LOL.

 

[RWS]

I wouldn't buy stolen goods because that's illegal. I buy quality when i see it regardless of if the source is a likable person.

As far as being considered a scumbag? Whatever LOL. I've been called worse. I don't have any hard feelings. My point of view is unpopular... fine... I can deal with that.

There's no doubt in my mind you've been called worse.

But I think you're missing the point. This isn't name calling here. You see, name calling is something that takes place between immature people who are angry at each other. I'm not calling you a scumbag because I'm angry.

I'm calling you a scumbag because you really seem to be a scumbag. It's really that simple.

 

[Steel-Junky]

There's no doubt in my mind you've been called worse.

But I think you're missing the point. This isn't name calling here. You see, name calling is something that takes place between immature people who are angry at each other. I'm not calling you a scumbag because I'm angry.

I'm calling you a scumbag because you really seem to be a scumbag. It's really that simple.

LMAO... I see the difference. I'm not telling you I don't care because i'm angry and am just trying to marginalize you... I'm telling you I don't care because I really don't care.

 

[RWS]

I'm telling you I don't care because I really don't care.

Exactly. :thumbup:

 

[m1marty]

Mick Strider once said: "Lick my sack". I find that quote to very fitting given some of the content in this thread. And no, that's not directed at the OP.

 

[Halfneck]

Steel-Junky - I don't have an AR, but I have a GB which is essentially the same. Great knife if you like a large folder. Got it from Neil at True North knives & he was great to deal with. Ryan with Blue Ling Gear is another great guy to deal with who carries Strider knives.

 

[Esav Benyamin]

That's Blue Line Gear, right?

 

[Steel-Junky]

Steel-Junky - I don't have an AR, but I have a GB which is essentially the same. Great knife if you like a large folder. Got it from Neil at True North knives & he was great to deal with. Ryan with Blue Ling Gear is another great guy to deal with who carries Strider knives.

Thanks bro... I'll give them a look-see.

 

[STR]

No not really. He takes it as a slap in the face to what he's done and been through. He's explained it to me... it just doesn't hit home with me because... Like most guys in the service say "You don't understand unless you've been there and done that"... and I haven't so it doesn't matter to me. You guys are taking this real personal as if I'm saying troops are stupid or something... that's not where I'm coming from at all. I'm saying it's crap to drag an honor code problem into a freaking knife purchase. Do I want someone putting my buddy's life in danger by lying? No way Hose. But do I care if a knife maker makes up a story as long as the knife is of quality... no... not really. In that respect all I care about is the quality of the knife and not the quality of it's maker. I don't need a knife maker to be a good guy... I need his knives to be good knives. The rest isn't important. It's the quality of the gear.



The fact that you say this shows you understand the flaw in your analogy. We are just talking about a knife. If Mick Strider were labling himself a super soldier and then went into combat with American troups... it ABSOLUTELY matters because like you said... it could get them killed and that is not acceptable. But we're talking about a guy that made some stuff up to sell knives. And anyone who would buy a knife regardless of it's quality just because it was produced by someone who was in the service is gonna get just that... good or bad. But to purchase a knife that is proven to be well made and of great substance regardless of the makers character flaws means you're getting a product that is well made and of great substance. It's just that simple to me.

Wow! You are a bit of an enigma. Of course your friend thinks that also. I'm sure like all of us he wonders how anyone can miss just how personal it really is. Personal because guys like your friend for example really defended our freedom and paid for it with their blood and others dare to pretend to do it and expect no one to care which makes it that much easier for them to keep doing it because no one cares enough to put a stop to it in their own way or even voice a protest about it. In fact they continue to reward them by dealing with them again and again. I guess by our example in our own structure of government we impeach a governor just to award him a 6 million dollar book deal.

Apparently many don't care much even when it does indeed affect them on some level quite personally. I'm not going to bicker with you back and forth though. You are entitled to your opinion but I will say these last few thoughts. Or rather my last opinion. Honor goes hand in hand with trust in my book. If I can't trust you I can't deal with you its that simple, and not as an employee, not as a boss, not as a customer or seller or acquaintance. Quite simply, not at all. I guess if a man dressed as a woman hit on you and you deep throated him long enough only to find out it was not a woman but a man all along that you might care but based on your past replies I guess not. After all, its just the quality of the kiss that matters right?

STR

 

[Keith Montgomery]

I wouldn't buy stolen goods because that's illegal. I buy quality when i see it regardless of if the source is a likable person.

This has nothing to do with whether Mick and Duane are likable. From all accounts they are very likable. It is more to do with their ethics and honesty. Many people will not support other people or companies that they think are dishonest and/or unethical.

I think the main reason that people don't like the attitude you have displayed here is that you have shown disrespect for people that think theft of military glory to be a serious offense. You called is crap and something that you don't consider to be at all important. You have every right to that opinion, but you should also be able to understand why it makes so many people angry.

Anyway, I don't think that you are a bad guy, but you do have some beliefs that go against the beliefs of others, and that is always going to be like a spark to tinder. It can erupt into a raging firestorm.

 

[Steel-Junky]

Wow! You are a bit of an enigma. Of course your friend thinks that also. I'm sure like all of us he wonders how anyone can miss just how personal it really is.

I understand for him... but he also understands that it doesn't really mean anything to me. Not in a way where I spit on his service or treat him like what he does for a living doesn't matter. But in a way where a BS artist in the military circle doesn't really effect my life. It'd be like somone telling me they've been to mars and had a beer. Ok... so what. It doesn't change anything for me. Now like you were saying earlier if someone telling lies about that sort of thing could somehow be tossed into a combat or security situation where other's lives were at stake... I completely see where that's of importance. But not in making a knife. Mick Strider being a Navy Seal or an Army Cook isn't going to have any bearing on if he can or can't make a good knife. So I don't consider it when judging his product. Take Jerry Busse for example... he is by far my favorite maker. And he just so happens to be a great guy too. But Jerry has stated evey now and then he likes to have a drink... let's say i was a person that completely was against drinking and thought it to be wrong... I'd still buy his knife becuase his choice to enjoy a nip of the creature doesn't have anything to do with the quality of his product. It does add another aspect to the buying of one of his knives that he is such an awesome person... but it still has no bearing on if his knives are quality or not... just makes him a good guy. I like the Strider knife... could care less about Mick and his history. I just don't get that involved when purchasing a quality tool. Lots of guys don't like Lynn Thompson... say what you like about him personally but his company makes some good blades... blades I wouldn't mind owning regardless of his personality.

Personal because guys like your friend for example really defended our freedom and paid for it with their blood and others dare to pretend to do it and expect no one to care which makes it that much easier for them to keep doing it because no one cares enough to put a stop to it in their own way or even voice a protest about it. In fact they continue to reward them by dealing with them again and again. I guess by our example in our own structure of government we impeach a governor just to award him a 6 million dollar book deal.

My friend has every right to take it personal... and I understand it for him... I'm just saying for me... it doesn't have any effect on my life so I don't take it into consideration when buying a dang knife. And it's obvious that many people don't take it into consideration because Striders are very popular in spite of the fact that Mick is obviously a liar. To be honest I am aware of the story... I just never gave it any real consideration cause it didn't matter to me. AGAIN... I'm not saying that it shouldn't matter to a soldier because they take it personal and they have every right to... But how can you expect someone who isn't a part of that community to care. I can understand that it's bothersome to a Joe... and I can even say "Sorry that bothers you"... but I can't feel it for them. Because it doesn't impact me. It'd be like a stranger telling you about a personal loss... You can say "Sorry to hear that Bro" but you aren't going to feel that loss for them. Because it isn't your loss and it doesn't effect you. Mick Strider lying about his service (Which I'm not disputing as I don't know all the fact about that) doesn't effect me. So I don't consider it when choosing to buy a Strider Knife. Does that mean anyone who buys a strider doesn't care about the troops? No... It just means his personal bagage isn't a concern for people. They don't care about his personal life... they care about his knives.

Apparently many don't care much even when it does indeed affect them on some level quite personally.

Obviously, Striders sell well in spite of Mick's personal stuff. That's my point. No one cares... not to say that no one cares about the troops. Im behind our joes 100% and want to see them all safe and sound. But personal honor code they have between each other doesn't effect me cause I'm not a part of that community. I don't know why Marines get in fights with Army guys but then will join forces against an Air Force fella. It doesn't matter to me. My buddy calls some people in the service Poges... I don't know what that means but he says it with disgust. If I've met a Poge I didn't know it, and I wouldn't have a problem buying a knife from one if the knife was of quality. Would I trust Mick Strider to stand and fight with my friend... not after some of the things I've read... Would I trust him to make a quality knife? Sure, cause he does. His service history isn't important to me.

I'm not going to bicker with you back and forth though. You are entitled to your opinion but I will say these last few thoughts. Or rather my last opinion. Honor goes hand in hand with trust in my book. If I can't trust you I can't deal with you its that simple, and not as an employee, not as a boss, not as a customer or seller or acquaintance. Quite simply, not at all.

And that's cool. You have every right to decide what line you want to draw in the sand about who you are comfortable dealing with. I get called a scumbag because I don't care about Mick Striders background and think it's foolish to take that into consideration when deciding to buy a knife, when the knife itself is of excellent quality. But that's ok too. I don't think it makes me a bad person that I will own a strider regardless of Mick's personal drama... but that's just me. Anyone else who wants to not buy his product is their business. I wished more would do that so I could snap a few up quick and cheap LOL. But enough people look past that to a knife that is worth considering.

I guess if a man dressed as a woman hit on you and you deep throated him long enough only to find out it was not a woman but a man all along that you might care but based on your past replies I guess not. Its just the quality of the kiss after all right?

Your analogies kinda fall off the tracks a little. A man kissing me effects me personally. Mick's military lies do not. His lies do not suddenly make the knife a gym sock. It doesn't make the knife anything other than a knife... and it doesn't magically make the knife of poor construction because it's maker is of poor character. A better analogy would be to think would it matter to me if the man selling me a new car cheats on his wife. No, not really. As long as I like the car and it's a transaction that is of substance to me... I don't care what's going on in his personal life. It's none of my business. What Mick Strider did in the service is none of my business... the fact that he puts it out there and lies about it to boot is a dumb move on his part cause it will turn some folks off. But I don't care about his personal drama. I care about a quality knife... that is as far as it effects me on a personal level.

 

[Steel-Junky]

This has nothing to do with whether Mick and Duane are likable. From all accounts they are very likable. It is more to do with their ethics and honesty. Many people will not support other people or companies that they think are dishonest and/or unethical.

And they have every right to do that... The part I think is crap is judging the product based on the maker. But hey... that's me. I don't really get involved with the maker or owner of a knife company... I just look at the product.

I think the main reason that people don't like the attitude you have displayed here is that you have shown disrespect for people that think theft of military glory to be a serious offense. You called is crap and something that you don't consider to be at all important.

Not when purchasing a knife. I understand that it is a big deal to some, and that's fine. It just has nothing to do with the quality of the product. That's a fact. Now if someone chooses to pass on a quality product because they don't agree with the maker's marketing tactics... that's ok. But they often bring it up as if it's somehow wrong to own a Strider and anyone who buys them should be ashamed. And I think that's crap. If Mick Strider wants to lie... so what. As long as it's just to sell some knives, let the market decide if they want them or not. I could completely understand why someone would have a problem with training troops or LEOs with false claims of glory because that now puts lives in danger. But selling knives? C'mon... it just doesn't matter. The knife is either good or it's not. yes or no. Black or White. There is no in between and you either choose to own it or you don't. Both are fine. But to make some big to-do about the maker's character is just silly to me when we're talking about a knife purchase. I am in no way saying that soldiers are silly and the fact that things like this are important to them... I'm just saying it isn't important to me when buying a stinkin knife.

 

[Spark]

Here's the part you are missing: If the maker is lying to you about one thing, what is there for you to take their word on anything else? What else isn't the truth? What other claims are inflated or otherwise made up?

It's your money. Spend it how you choose.

 

[Spark]

Mystery double post

 

[Steel-Junky]

Here's the part you are missing: If the maker is lying to you about one thing, what is there for you to take their word on anything else? What else isn't the truth? What other claims are inflated or otherwise made up?

It's your money. Spend it how you choose.

yeah I understand that. And to be honest if Strider was a new company and they hadn't sold a single knife yet and all the past military stuff came about... I probably wouldn't risk buying the knife because like you said, what else is he not being honest about. But the fact that Strider knives have been around for a long while and they have been tested and reviewed and found to be a substantial product... then the military stuff just doesn't mean anything to me. Not that it shouldn't matter to some or isn't important to those who are involved... It's just an issue to me when buying a knife that I know is of quality construction. That's all I'm sayin.

 

[Spark]

Except that the military stories were used way back when as a justification for everything and anything. The claims of toughness came from the source, without backing, or from folks associated with the source. Let's take this thread for example. In it, Mick Strider makes all sorts of claims and implies he has all sorts of knowledge.

What does he know about war? He was never in combat.
He says "sharpened crowbars" are superior. Where is this knowledge from? They certainly aren't superior at cutting, the primary task for a knife.
He talks about the unimportance of ergonomics, but what is this based on? His fictional combat experience? He even acknowledges that real use with his design causes "hot spots".
He even compares "his" 1911 (that in reality he doesn't have because he's a felon) to his designs, to give them more credibility.

What's especially hilarious in hindsight is nyeti (Bolke) coming in and talking crap about Walter Mitty types when the people he's endorsing are posers themselves.

Look at claims like this. Most people would never do this to their knife. When the maker themselves is saying it will hold up to it, are you going to take your $400 knife and perform the same test? Or do you believe that most people aren't lying to you and take them at their word?

Hindsight is 20-20. Plenty of people fall victim to liars & get taken in confidence games, otherwise 3 card monte wouldn't still be around. Such is life. Minimizing that it happens only further compounds the problems.

 

[fishtale]

Shamwow! You'll say WOW everytime!

 

[LMT66]

That lockup engagement is exactly what you want. It's designed to give you years of solid lockup as the material wears. Over time the frame lock contact point to the tang will work itself to the right (looking down on the upside down knife) as it wears.

:thumbup:

 

[gajinoz]

Except that the military stories were used way back when as a justification for everything and anything. The claims of toughness came from the source, without backing, or from folks associated with the source. Let's take this thread for example. In it, Mick Strider makes all sorts of claims and implies he has all sorts of knowledge.

What does he know about war? He was never in combat.
He says "sharpened crowbars" are superior. Where is this knowledge from? They certainly aren't superior at cutting, the primary task for a knife.
He talks about the unimportance of ergonomics, but what is this based on? His fictional combat experience? He even acknowledges that real use with his design causes "hot spots".
He even compares "his" 1911 (that in reality he doesn't have because he's a felon) to his designs, to give them more credibility.

What's especially hilarious in hindsight is nyeti (Bolke) coming in and talking crap about Walter Mitty types when the people he's endorsing are posers themselves.

Look at claims like this. Most people would never do this to their knife. When the maker themselves is saying it will hold up to it, are you going to take your $400 knife and perform the same test? Or do you believe that most people aren't lying to you and take them at their word?

Hindsight is 20-20. Plenty of people fall victim to liars & get taken in confidence games, otherwise 3 card monte wouldn't still be around. Such is life. Minimizing that it happens only further compounds the problems.

A good explanation but I'm afraid it will be lost on this guy. He has a fundamental personality flaw, he is simply incapable of understanding honour, honesty and integrity. Sure, he can recite the dictionary meanings to you and, at an intellectual level, he can comprehend their meanings, but they have no value to him. He simply doesn't understand why they are important.

Somebody a few posts back asked him if he would knowingly buy and resell stolen knives. His answer was to the effect that, no because it would be illegal. Not no, because the person is a scumbag and you shouldn't deal with them, simply because he might get into trouble. Rather revealing I think.

Anyway, I've grown rather bored with his nonsense, no more on that subject from me. He's on my "never deal with" list. Others can think and do what they will.