Strider vs. Manix

Hi High,

My apologies for your lack of satisfction with our knives. I would very much like to see those pieces myself. Certainly if there is such a problem (nothing is perfect), we would want to run it through R&D to determine the reason and correct it. When you send them in, please call it to my attention. Thanx in advance.

Hey runT1me,

We've produced a few tanto models with little success. The designs were Bob Lum (the creator of the "American Tanto"), the materials were good and the quality was good.

I think the everyday performance of the "American Tanto" style blades is limited for general cutting. I think most people buy Spyderco for cutting and the tanto style doesn't appeal to them. We could think of no other reason why other companies can readily sell their tanto designs and we cannot. The very sharp edge and fine point are features we generally focus on. A thick tip tanto is limited in that area.

sal
 
I'm not exactly sure what the heck people are doing with these knives to defeat the locks, but we should start work on a combination axis/liner lock knife (w/t LAWKS). Then maybe we can use the folding plate device from the CS triple action.

Or you could just use a fixed blade. But what's the fun in that.
 
hi sal, no need to apologize to me , im sorry if i gave the impression that i was unsatisfied with spyderco as a whole. i'm not even sure if i am spine whacking correctly, i.e.holding knife by rearward most part of handle and with whipping motion striking wooden bench. im sure if that is not correct my friend 3guardsmen will set me straight. in any event i will send in all 3 knives attention to you and i have all confidence after checking the differences in the spring tensions and lock travel the techs at spyderco will let me know if my concerns are valid. also if i am off base please allow me to pay for spyderco's time to check the knives and to return ship them. the knives will go out on monday october 3 rd. p.s. we met at the n.y.c. knife show i believe in 1982 oe 1983 . you were carrying a bill bagwell bowie and i was carrying a randall # 14 and we checked each others knives out. later i purchased a mariner and sharpmaker with a brown leather carrying roll with spyder logo. also met your lovely wife at that show. regards, high
 
You can spine whack in many different variations. None should cause any lock to fold on you.

I don't like lockbacks.

Though I do trust Spyderco lockbacks.
 
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I didn't buy at all what the gentleman (High) was saying, partially due to his low post count, but mostly because I own both of the knives in question and have experienced no such failures (my Manix and Chinnok laughed at me when I spine-whacked them :D ), and find it incredibly hard to swallow that 1 person could end up with 3 bum locks (especially in tanks like the Chinook & Manix). But, I guess anything is possible. I may have been premature in my suspicion, especially after seeing the gentleman's (High's) next post. For that I am sorry.

High,
If all 3 locks turn out to be defective, you really might want to think about playing the lottery, you'd probably win big :D. I'm sorry for my skepticism.


Sincerely,
3Guardsmen
 
fulloflead said:
I think you're making excuses for the Strider here.
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It isn't an excuse for them, Mick Strider holds that viewpoint, he described it on the forums. So it is just describing the makers outlook on grip security/comfort. Most people don't tend to agree however that a comfortable handle has to be insecure.

-Cliff
 
Can you IMAGINE what a chunk Chris Reeve would take out of this market if he made a beefier/thicker Sebenza? :eek:

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Does someone have a photo of the Manix?

I have been carrying an ATR for 10 Months n ow and it's done everything I have demanded it do. It has cut, pried, chopped, and even anchored down a tarp during a storm. It still looks and cuts like a champ.

having said that, I would be surprised to hear the Manix is more rugged.

I also have a pair of Strider folders. As has been said countless times they are hard core and bad to the bone, high speed tools. If/ when I go to hell I will make damn sure I have a Strider clipped to my pocket!!!

But for now it's the ATR, it's sleeker, prettier, costs less and carries superbly.

Show me a Manix, please...........................
 
Nothing is perfect. Spyderco sells a lot of knives, and if everyone bought in lots of three there is a good chance SOMEBODY might end up with three bad ones.

But since we don't yet have an accurate idea of how strong one person's whack test was, in total or relative to what any of the rest of us have tried, it's kind of silly to be sure either way. Maybe he got 3 bad ones, or maybe his test is more forceful than what others have done.
 
Sal Glesser said:
We've produced a few tanto models with little success. The designs were Bob Lum (the creator of the "American Tanto"), the materials were good and the quality was good.

I think the everyday performance of the "American Tanto" style blades is limited for general cutting. I think most people buy Spyderco for cutting and the tanto style doesn't appeal to them. We could think of no other reason why other companies can readily sell their tanto designs and we cannot. The very sharp edge and fine point are features we generally focus on. A thick tip tanto is limited in that area.

sal
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Sal, this is pretty much exactly why I traded my Lum Tanto for a Lum Chinese. There was nothing at all wrong with the Lum Tanto--in fact, that fancy Japanese grind at the front is really nice--but it just wasn't as practical.

At any rate, I really want to hear how this whole Triple Whack Failure thing works out. I've seen safes that don't lock as tight as my Chinook.
 
fulloflead said:
Can you IMAGINE what a chunk Chris Reeve would take out of this market if he made a beefier/thicker Sebenza? :eek:

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Oh man, that would be something to see :D
 
fulloflead said:
I think you're making excuses for the Strider here.
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3Guardsmen said:
I believe she is a moderator on Strider's forums, Fulloflead.
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Moderator/Admin whatever that's irrelevant here. I was simply stating something that has already been put into print several times, in various forums, over a period of years, (as noted by Cliff).

Strider has never made the statement that they are focusing on making the handles ergonomically comfortable in the hand, in fact their statement has been quite the opposit, and the issue and philosophy behind it has been questioned by Jerry Hossom and others over a long period of time. I'm not making an excuse for Strider, poor or otherwise. I'm making a statement based on what has previously been declared. If I was tunnel visioned, I would have posted to buy the bloody SnG because it's pefect for everyone.... something I did not do because it is not. I also stated the Manix is a hell of a knife.

If you are looking for blind bias, you will have to look elsewhere.

These "which knife is better" threads are an exercise in futility to a great degree anyway. Only YOU have YOUR HANDS. Go for quality and then find what fits your hand and the job best thereafter. Everything else after that is opinion, loyalty, and often times just a big ole pissing contest.

m1
 
fulloflead said:
http://www.lightfootknives.com/458mag.html
http://www.lightfootknives.com/458mag1.html
http://www.extremaratio.com/ing/index2.php

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Liner Lock and "super strong" don't go together in my book. :p

In regards to the strider, personally I think handle design is the most important aspect when buying a knife. Its one reason i've yet to purchase a benchmade and most likely won't ever purchase a sebbie.



Sal,

What about slapping the ATR's blade on a manix? :D Thats tanto-ish enough for me. I love the lockback and handle of the manix though. Please? I'll pay an extra 50 bucks a knife. :o
 
perhaps someone has told you this but i would like to reiterate

STRIDER! if you can honestly purchase the srtider its worth it, if not thats ok most of us would understand but, at some point you should really get a strider so why waste money trying to buy time.
 
Cliff Stamp said:
It isn't an excuse for them, Mick Strider holds that viewpoint, he described it on the forums. So it is just describing the makers outlook on grip security/comfort.
-Cliff
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On the other hand, I'd argue that the grips are neither secure nor comfortable. Hold it in your hand, wrap your thumb around in a hammer grip, and see how secure that knife feels. It doesn't feel secure to me even in a sabre grip, as I've mentioned, but in hammer it's a disaster. Again, my hands -- someone with different hands might disagree, and in fact there are plenty who do (but plenty who don't). But it is worth nothing that this particular design, wide at the back tapering to a pinch up front, is probably one that's worth testing on your hands before buying.

Joe
 
destroythealter said:
perhaps someone has told you this but i would like to reiterate

STRIDER! if you can honestly purchase the srtider its worth it, if not thats ok most of us would understand but, at some point you should really get a strider so why waste money trying to buy time.
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Welcome aboard, I think. :confused:

I'm an advocate of always "honestly" purchasing knives. The dishonestly purchased ones just don't work as well. :D

So, instead of buying minutes for a pre-paid cell phone, I should buy a Strider? :thumbup:


3Guardsmen
 
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