Strongest folding knife !

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FFK said:
Take a look at this ! Strongest folding knife. Uses an over-center type lock. It makes a fixed blade knife when locked open
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FFK said:
Handle could be easily be streamlined. Try prying 100 or 200 lbs with flat side of a standard folder...they would snap in two. I think the idea behind this knife is "Fixed blade capability when all you have room for is a folder"
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FFK said:
I'M NOT SAYING IT WILL BEAT A FIXED BLADE KNIFE OF COMPARABLE SIZE.....WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT IT WILL GIVE THE USER A FOLDING KNIFE THAT WHEN DEPLOYED WILL PERFORM MOST TASKS THAT WOULD ONLY BE EXPECTED FROM A FIXED BLADE KNIFE.
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So you go from "It makes a fixed blade knife" to "fixed blade capability" to shouting "WILL PERFORM MOST TASKS." Nice backtracking. Put it on a Chatillon digital force tester like Benchmade did for their 275 Adamas and get back to us -- after you have paid for the proper membership level:
[video=youtube;6ZwwLWQk664]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZwwLWQk664[/video]


Oh, one more thing: pay for the proper membership level. Otherwise you're just a spammer hawking his wares who deserves to be reported for violating the rules.
 
Holy smoke, you guys are brutal!! Lol. Give the guy a break. He took the time effort and had the ingenuity to come up with a new lock design. I'm glad folks are thinking of new ways to push the boundaries of folding knife design...aren't y'all? You don't have to like every design to appreciate that folks are trying. I think the hate spewing is a bit over the top. I dunno.

Having said that, you should know, op, that you need to pay a modest fee to upgrade your status if you want to promote your products on here. I can only guess that that's where a lot of the negativity toward you is coming from.

Regarding your design, I wasn't able to completely understand how the lock works from the video. I would suggest making a video maybe with a progression of photos of diagrams that would better illustrate exactly what's going on.

Anyway, it's not my cup of tea as I'm not into the overbuilt folders at all but I can appreciate your effort and ingenuity that went into your prototype. Keep at it and good luck.

Now pay up like everyone else if you want to keep talking about it! :)

Take care,

Lance
 
Andif you wanted feedback, why did you title the thread "Strongest folding knife" instead of something like "Looking for feedback on my design"?

Seriously, I'd retreat as quickly as possible before your design and your reputation suffer more damage. You gotta know when to hold 'em, ...
 
As was said before the username and title in the vid are FFK. Looks like veiled spam to me, and you should purchase the appropriate membership to advertise here. Do that and you will find this crowd a lot more receptive.
 
marcinek said:
Andif you wanted feedback, why did you title the thread "Strongest folding knife" instead of something like "Looking for feedback on my design"?

Seriously, I'd retreat as quickly as possible before your design and your reputation suffer more damage. You gotta know when to hold 'em, ...
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Honestly, Marcinek has given you the BEST feedback in the entire thread right here... I can't speak for everyone else here but, I think you still have a CHANCE to get a paid knifemaker membership here, take a step back, take two more steps back, and come at this whole thing again fresh, the right way. There's a proper way to do things here.

Maybe you ARE just looking for feedback on this design (which you're getting, even if it isn't all positive) but the thread doesn't sound that way and, be honest here, it didn't start out that way....

At first it really sounded like this folding knife was the answer to all of our "fixed blade problems" (not that there are any, really, and despite the fact that many fixed blades weigh less and can withstand more.)

But then I asked you to change the scenario you suggested, into one that pits this fixed folding knife against a comparable fixed blade (because really, IF that is/was how you wanted to market it, this is the true test by which it should be measured, not another folding knife as you suggested.)

But you know what? My suggestion of putting this knife up against a fixed blade was a stupid suggestion, it really was. Because unless there's something I don't get from that video that is a completely new way of looking at physics, solid piece > moving parts. No. Matter. What. But even though my suggestion was dumb, the reality is, that is the sort of test it will take to vet this knife as you have currently described it. It's just the way it is.

Back to my original topic here... I still think there is a chance, once you have paid your dues (literally) that you could take a step back and approach this from a new angle. You could become a very innovative and well-respected knifemaker around here and in the cutlery world in general. It could happen. But pretty soon you'll be past the point of no return (at least here) and I think that would be a shame.

Respectfully: Get your mind right, Luke.
 
I want to make a suggestion: Go watch some Cold Steel videos, particularly videos that feature knives with their Tri-Ad lock, and all of the testing they do with that lock. (Cold Steel also has a forum here by the way).

After watching a handful of Cold Steel videos, I'd be grateful if you could answer this question: What can this design (yours) do that the Tri-Ad lock--just as one example of an uber strong lock we already have from a tried and tested maker (who pays their dues here)--cannot do? I'm not being facetious, but seriously, what can this locking system do where I'd need it to be stronger than, say, a Tri-Ad lock?
 
I have to agree with Redlynx and Marcinek here, it's great and all that you came up with a new locking mechanism but your taking a lot of flak from basically advertising your knife without proper membership which a lot of us look down upon. And than pretty much claiming the knife is something which it can't be "Folding Fixed Blade" they don't exist for a reason it contradicts each other, so I would honestly change the name to something else to stop getting flak from that and advertising it as such. And instead say you have one of the strongest locking mechanisms on the market IF you can back it up and prove it. Do that and I think we be a lot more accepting and willing to provide good proper feedback.

But with how your currently going your digging yourself an early grave and creating more negative publicity than good, so stop and think about what you doing and try to fix it.

And just a little heads up a Svord Peasant is about as close to a "folding fixed blade" as you can get and it's still not advertised as such. So please give some thought on what you call your knife or locking mechanism.
http://www2.knifecenter.com/item/SVOPKMBLK/Svord-PKM-Peasant-Mini-Folding-Knife-Black-Zytel
 
What Bob said.

Even if you did want to advertise it that way, we would need extensive test videos (again I reference Cold Steel)... maybe you have more videos we don't know about, I don't know, the one in this thread doesn't tell us a lot about lock strength... heck, it's hard to see from the video how it actually works in the first place, to be honest.

And let me repeat here: things like the heat treat, edge retention, blade geometry, ease of sharpening, intended uses... all of these things are going to matter a heck of a lot more to a lot of people than how strong your lock is.

Traditional slipjoint knives have no lock at all and are still one of the most time-tested, tried and true, sought after knife designs out there.
 
FFK said:
There are no washers or bushings. blade/tang to handle tang area is is mated along matching crossectional surfaces. When locked it does act exactly like a fixed blade knife along every axis.
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Well with statements like this you are going no where fast. No it can't even act like a fixed blade because it's a folder with some kind of locking system.

If you want feedback or just want to share your "Invention" with us? We would love to have you so please start over with an appropriate membership and do the regular kind of stuff that we all did when we landed here, like introduce yourself and come across more as a equal as a knife maker/Designer or enthusiast than an infomercial of a great new system that makes a folder into a fixed blade.
 
I don't think he's from the USA, but I may be wrong. The way he speaks kind of gives off that vibe.

I honestly don't believe he came here with the sole intention of generating interest and to sell his product. It's not even for sale yet, and from the looks of it, won't be for a long time. I think he's just a guy that was a little to excited and wanted to show off his new invention. We're different from most people when it comes to knives, and he hasn't been around to know the proper etiquette of our community.

I think we should cut him a little slack, I'm sure he didn't realize how literal we would take his claims.
 
FFK said:
Spine load is off the chart ! Typical lockback locking surface is minuscule compared to the ffk crossectional tang area locking surfaces.
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With real data, or FEA approximations? Because you can do many incredible things in CAD software that yields amazing results, but find the results to be quite different in the real world. I appreciate you responding to all of my questions, and I am curious about the lock's strength with real world testing.
 
RamZar said:
It's a gimmick that functions as designed. After all, it's a secondary lock for a folder.
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Yes, of course. But how many folks want/need a secondary lock...particularly when the "primary" lock is so sticky? No, thanks.
 
I thought the strongest was a pocket bushman with the handle hammered flat.
 
Welk, he got my vote.


I'll pic 177, thanks for the giveaway.


To FFK,

You designed and built a prototype knife. If the design is unique, great. If it is useful, great. Strong? Neato.....



You are going about posting all wrong. Lock this thread. Take some time to fill out your profile.

Read the rules and regulations on this site.

I don't think you need a maker paid membership, but if you are trying to use this site to promote a future product, you ought to buy the correct membership.


Essentially, you just came into some one else's house, and tracked in dog poop.


I love interesting designs. New ideas and innovations make me happy. You are not going to get a good response using the methods you are using.



I've tested prototypes for custom makers before, and given feedback. But they came, showed the design, had the appropriate membership level, and did a pass arround, and took feedback.



I had a faze where I "needed" the strongest knives. Now? I want knives that have comfortable handles and thin blades. I want knives that cut well, and don't hurt my hand in use. I like strong, but if it does not cut well, it is not really my style.
 
mmmotorcycle said:
Whenever I am out in the woods and want to carry two knives one is often folding and one is often a fixed blade. The folder tends to be precise like an Opinel or SAK for doing tasks a more robust fixed blade cannot. Respectfully, I avoid all folders claiming to be anything but folders.
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Precisely!

If I want a knie that won't fold on me, I use an unfolding knife.
 
egally08 said:
I don't think he's from the USA, but I may be wrong. The way he speaks kind of gives off that vibe.

I honestly don't believe he came here with the sole intention of generating interest and to sell his product. It's not even for sale yet, and from the looks of it, won't be for a long time. I think he's just a guy that was a little to excited and wanted to show off his new invention. We're different from most people when it comes to knives, and he hasn't been around to know the proper etiquette of our community.

I think we should cut him a little slack, I'm sure he didn't realize how literal we would take his claims.
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I couldn't agree more. For the first few pages of this thread, y'all were quite brutal. If he's a regular then there would be no excuse, but he's obviously someone new.
 
egally08 said:
We're different from most people when it comes to knives, and he hasn't been around to know the proper etiquette of our community.
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Actually he has been a member since September, 2013, which seems to be plenty of time to get a general feel for the place. Particularly if the place is a place full of potential customers where you want to get some sneaky free advertising.

I think the kids today cal it a "fail." You never get a second chance to make a first impression.
 
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