Super Steels vs Regular Steels

[DevinT]

Then wouldn't it behoove all of us if those who DO or COULD understand to get involved and help figure out why what's happening is happening and attach a real explanation?

Show me the money.

Hoss

 

[Someone1]

Show me the money.

Hoss

I'm pretty sure Larrin has a patreon account for such things.

 

[DevinT]

There are a lot more interesting things to test other than a mar-quench for aeb-l.

Hoss

 

[danbot]

I'm pretty sure Larrin has a patreon account for such things.

Exactly! BC should try something similar. Raise money and pay for professional testing.

 

[Someone1]

There are a lot more interesting things to test other than a mar-quench for aeb-l.

Hoss

That's a totally BS statement, sir.

 

[DevinT]

That's a totally BS statement, sir.

I give up.

 

[Revolverrodger]

I give up.

You must continue
In the name of science

 

[DeadboxHero]

That's a totally BS statement, sir.

no one is stopping you from getting some testing done. Get to it!

You can get some cheap tools at harbour freight.
You can buy the AEBL from AKS in small quantity.
You can research heat treatment services.

You can find a Metallurgy testing lab to mail to for hardness testing and micrographs.

Good times, tell us what you find out

 

[Someone1]

no one is stopping you from getting some testing done. Get to it!

You can get some cheap tools at harbour freight.
You can buy the AEBL from AKS in small quantity.
You can research heat treatment services.

You can find a Metallurgy testing lab to mail to for hardness testing and micrographs.

Good times, tell us what you find out

Love people who jump on the bandwagon!

It's not me who is questioning results, it's a lot of you who need to test to disprove what others are saying they've found!

I've seen what i need to see!

If the results of whatever methods are used are put out there for public testing and you don't want to test, that's on you!

And if anyone knows what's happening then maybe that anyone should explain why the results are better than what's been previously seen using the same methods!

And if it's not known then maybe some scientific types should step in and help us all out instead of arguing about it!

Talking crap about someone doesn't help anyone and not trying to help people genuinely interested is a disservice to the field of science!

 

[Someone1]

Look, in all seriousness, claims are being made, claims are being disputed, the blades are there to test if desired. If no one wants to test to see if these blades are nothing more than anyone else can do, then so be it. But if you don't want to test despite the already present evidence that something different is happening, then at least take the high road and don't shittalk some person who is at least trying to help people, regardless if what he's saying is valid or not.

If you as a self proclaimed knowledgeable person takes it and compares it to known methods that produce the same results, then educate rather denigrate. Just be a decent person. I'd like to think a lot of us are better than what's been displayed here in this thread and others.

Devin Thomas surprised me with how specifically he spoke in this thread. A little disappointed. Guess it goes to show that community means little. With that, I'm done too. Some guys I think have a lot of knowledge and decency that could coalesce and improve the baseline in our hobby took the low road and trash talked a man who meant no harm and took it upon himself to show that outside the box thinking may be preferable to a lot of customers even if he couldn't describe what he was doing in english at the level of a post doctoral metallurgist from Dayton, Ohio or whatever. Did any of you guys ever contact him offline and just talk to him? See what he's doing? Independently test his results and help him write out what he's doing so it can't be faulted? None of you so called gurus have, instead you go into a public arena and trash talk a man with good intentions. That's low.

 

[danbot]

Look, in all seriousness, claims are being made, claims are being disputed, the blades are there to test if desired. If no one wants to test to see if these blades are nothing more than anyone else can do, then so be it. But if you don't want to test despite the already present evidence that something different is happening, then at least take the high road and don't shittalk some person who is at least trying to help people, regardless if what he's saying is valid or not.

If you as a self proclaimed knowledgeable person takes it and compares it to known methods that produce the same results, then educate rather denigrate. Just be a decent person. I'd like to think a lot of us are better than what's been displayed here in this thread and others.

This may be of interest to you. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5619990/
Some good theoretical science! This study was done using experimental data and proposed (crystal) structural models. It relates to high strength alloy steels.
Interestingly, in the conclusions it states that the total energy calculations predicted carbon deficiency of the iron carbides that are formed at high temperature.

 

[Mistwalker]

Blade Magazine has been running some great articles, with blades being used to chop lots of different types of wood soft and hard, using many types of steels.

What you notice is the steels like 1059 hold up as good as the more costly types of steels.
And you find you don't have to spend hundreds of dollars to buy many of these tools.

I highly advise everyone to read Blade Magazine.

I agree. To me the only real advantages in the advancements of the super steels for us knife users lies in corrosion resistance. I like CPM S35VN because I live in a rain forest and I love the Gulf coast. If I lived in a desert I'd likely be just as happy with 01 or 1095 with good heat treat and quench as any other steels on the market. And for limited corrosion resistance in hi-carbon steel, Ka-Bar's 1095 CroVan is pretty good really.

 

[Someone1]

This may be of interest to you. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5619990/
Some good theoretical science! This study was done using experimental data and proposed (crystal) structural models. It relates to high strength alloy steels.
Interestingly, in the conclusions it states that the total energy calculations predicted carbon deficiency of the iron carbides that are formed at high temperature.

So you're saying that scientific papers have hypothesized the results that are being trashed here?

If so, then this is exactly where our little world needs a guy like Larrin Sanders to step in and figure some stuff out. Not some guy like me or Deadboxhero or Devin Thomas. No, a guy with legit credentials who knows how to step into the peer reviewed world of science. What if, just what if, BC is onto something? Not some basic mar-quench technique, but some off the wall method that, IF corroborated, would change how we do things from here on? What if it impacted things far outside of the knife world? Would Larrin Sanders' name be mentioned? What about Luong La?

Personally I'd like to see a guy like Larrin who's a legit metallurgist and a guy like cliff stamp who's a legit phd in physics or whatever tackle this. And I'm saying this not even being someone who is a fan of cliff stamp. But these two guys are undoubtedly deep into the fields concerning the topic and can be taken seriously by their peers.

 

[DevinT]

Look, in all seriousness, claims are being made, claims are being disputed, the blades are there to test if desired. If no one wants to test to see if these blades are nothing more than anyone else can do, then so be it. But if you don't want to test despite the already present evidence that something different is happening, then at least take the high road and don't shittalk some person who is at least trying to help people, regardless if what he's saying is valid or not.

If you as a self proclaimed knowledgeable person takes it and compares it to known methods that produce the same results, then educate rather denigrate. Just be a decent person. I'd like to think a lot of us are better than what's been displayed here in this thread and others.

Devin Thomas surprised me with how specifically he spoke in this thread. A little disappointed. Guess it goes to show that community means little. With that, I'm done too. Some guys I think have a lot of knowledge and decency that could coalesce and improve the baseline in our hobby took the low road and trash talked a man who meant no harm and took it upon himself to show that outside the box thinking may be preferable to a lot of customers even if he couldn't describe what he was doing in english at the level of a post doctoral metallurgist from Dayton, Ohio or whatever. Did any of you guys ever contact him offline and just talk to him? See what he's doing? Independently test his results and help him write out what he's doing so it can't be faulted? None of you so called gurus have, instead you go into a public arena and trash talk a man with good intentions. That's low.

S1, you are one of the best trolls I’ve ever seen on this forum. You have very few posts, and I can’t find any that contribute to anything. You say the same things over and over thinking that someone will believe you if you say it enough times.

This thread is not about you, or BC, or the testing that you want done free of charge. It is not about heat treating or knives by a specific maker.

I’m sure you have been banned before and it will happen again.

Hoss

 

[danbot]

So you're saying that scientific papers have hypothesized the results that are being trashed here?

Its more related to the development of steels and the formation of ultra fine iron carbides. I don't know how it would relate to other types of carbides or specific heat treats. Merely an example of people that show their work, not just their results.

 

[DevinT]

So you're saying that scientific papers have hypothesized the results that are being trashed here?

If so, then this is exactly where our little world needs a guy like Larrin Sanders to step in and figure some stuff out. Not some guy like me or Deadboxhero or Devin Thomas. No, a guy with legit credentials who knows how to step into the peer reviewed world of science. What if, just what if, BC is onto something? Not some basic mar-quench technique, but some off the wall method that, IF corroborated, would change how we do things from here on? What if it impacted things far outside of the knife world? Would Larrin Sanders' name be mentioned? What about Luong La?

More trolling. Who is Larrin Sanders?

Hoss

 

[Someone1]

Its more related to the development of steels and the formation of ultra fine iron carbides. I don't know how it would relate to other types of carbides or specific heat treats. Merely an example of people that show their work, not just their results.

Would it be fair to say if a scientist stepped in to properly document the findings that maybe it'd be looked at fairly?

 

[DevinT]

Would it be fair to say if a scientist stepped in to properly document the findings that maybe it'd be looked at fairly?

This thread is not about the testing that you want done.

Hoss

 

[Someone1]

More trolling. Who is Larrin Sanders?

Hoss

Sorry. Deleted due to my ignorance

 

[Someone1]

This thread is not about the testing that you want done.

Hoss

Then why are you here, trolling. If it's not what you want to hear about then you can go somewhere else that is? And did i take the issue off topic? Or did the creator of the thread decline to participate in discussion outside of the original post?

I see you for what you are, sir.