Survival, "Bushcraft," and "Primitive Living Skills..." your ideas on differences...

You didn't name yourself after The Professor on Gilligan's Island, did you? ;)

Any man that can make a radio out of a coconut and all the other stuff he did and not be able to patch a hole in a boat needs a therapist. :D
 
I think we should chnage the whole bushcraft/woodsman/pioneer living/primitive living/caveman living/wilderness skills/neo bushcraft/ new wave bushcraft/ post punk pre electronica post new wave neo neo Bushcraft / Survivalist and all the sub sub genres of the above etc etc etc etc etc etc etc to the following:

Going bush fer a bit, back in a while! :D
 
I am channeling and paraphrasing Henry Rollins...perhaps we should simply call survival "The First Four Black Sabbath albums..." :D
 
i've started to reply and deleted it several times. my personal opinion is that i don't care if you call it a hobby or whatever, bushcrafting involves learning skills that will help keep you alive, and possibly even allow you to thrive in a survival situation. all the gear in the world is worthless without skills and knowledge...

completely unrelated aside: i've looked at countless BOBs, SHTF kits, PSKs, whatever you want to call them on this board, and i'm curious. do none of you guys smoke cigarettes? i'm pretty sure i haven't seen any tobacco of any kind in anyone's kits. seems to me it could be pretty valuable in any number of situations...
 
Marcelo Cantu said:
A Bushcrafter smokes a hand-made pipe

A Survivalist smokes cigars
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Well stated Marcelo. :thumbup: :thumbup:



To me, it’s all about being at home in the woods.

Spend as much time as you can it the woods, and be able to feel comfortable there when the conditions are less the idea; once the woods become your home the difference between bushcraft and survival becomes moot.





"If you're not living on the edge, …you're taking up too much space."

Big Mike
 
lvbuckeye27 said:
i've started to reply and deleted it several times. my personal opinion is that i don't care if you call it a hobby or whatever, bushcrafting involves learning skills that will help keep you alive, and possibly even allow you to thrive in a survival situation. all the gear in the world is worthless without skills and knowledge...

completely unrelated aside: i've looked at countless BOBs, SHTF kits, PSKs, whatever you want to call them on this board, and i'm curious. do none of you guys smoke cigarettes? i'm pretty sure i haven't seen any tobacco of any kind in anyone's kits. seems to me it could be pretty valuable in any number of situations...
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I always have pipe tobacco and a favorite pipe in my woods kit. when i need to stop and think about the immediate situation at hand I always enjoy a bowl of pipe tobacco. makes good tinder too.

:thumbup:
 
I check out this forum every once in a while, having actually lived in the woods for 47 years of my 62 years on this earth, i often wonder how many of you live in the city and occasionally visit the woods, or actually spend alot of time there. You make it all sound so romantic, its hard damn work! G.M
 
grey menace said:
I check out this forum every once in a while, having actually lived in the woods for 47 years of my 62 years on this earth, i often wonder how many of you live in the city and occasionally visit the woods, or actually spend alot of time there. You make it all sound so romantic, its hard damn work! G.M
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+1,

I grew up in the southern appalachians, I still like stewed potatos and cornbread but I don't want to go back to that's all there is. Chris
 
lvbuckeye27 said:
completely unrelated aside: i've looked at countless BOBs, SHTF kits, PSKs, whatever you want to call them on this board, and i'm curious. do none of you guys smoke cigarettes? i'm pretty sure i haven't seen any tobacco of any kind in anyone's kits. seems to me it could be pretty valuable in any number of situations...
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I used to love the taste of a good cigar or pipe, but since being diagnosed as a diabetic, I can't smoke anymore, so you won't find me with any.
 
grey menace said:
I check out this forum every once in a while, having actually lived in the woods for 47 years of my 62 years on this earth, i often wonder how many of you live in the city and occasionally visit the woods, or actually spend alot of time there. You make it all sound so romantic, its hard damn work! G.M
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Apart from a stint in Sydney, I've spent most of my life in the bush :D


Kind regards
Mick
 
SouthernCross, Mick ... How isolated are you? You must be within 100km of me ...
Email me?
 
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I would like to pick you Aussie's brains a bit. :D

I have that little double edged knife that Bob Cooper used to have in his survival kits. Can we get an E-mail thing going on if you guys know anything about this other than what is commonly available on the internet - which isn't much...?
 
Don ... no worries, I'll help where I can. There is a problem,, Bob Cooper is on the other side of Australia to me 4000 km away although I would love to meet him. I would really like to be involved with starting something like he has on the west coast, here on the east coast.
A double edged survival kinfe sounds odd to me although I'm keen to learn. Can you tell me more about it?
 
I'll post a picture of it later today. From what I understand, he had to stop offering them because Australia enacted a stupid ban on double edged knives which even covered this tiny little knife.

It is said to be patterned after an Aboriginal knife design that is very, very old. It also looks like a World War Two "thumb dagger" which was a last ditch weapon.
 
Don ... I've seen many double edged knives in the shops and 3 of my spearfishing blades are double edged (designs I made similar to ones found in local shops and mates knives). I see double edged swords, throwing knives and many different types of double edged blades from combat blades, bayonettes etc so I dont know what happened to that law, maybe the technicality of the sharpness of the edge comes into play. Personally I believe double edged blades are for stabbing and other than arrowheads or for killing fish quickly, I don't have any use for them on land. Please dont get the wrong idea, I dont judge others for how they use them ... just my own beliefs.
As for little double edgers ... all I can think of using them for is killing lizzards and bleeding larger animals although most single edged blades can do same job in my opinion ... I am keen to learn other uses.

Most of the aboriginal designs I have seen and learned about are for slicing and have been very primitive and resourceful.
 
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G'day Don.

Sounds like the small PSK fixed blade (its name starts with a L) designed by Keth Spencer in WA.

IIRC one is on display in the Australian War Mueseum as part of our SAS soldiers issued PSK's.

You can contact him through the Australian Knife Collectors (AKC)


Hope this helps.


Kind regards
Mick
 
Good day friends. You guys both posted within a few one minute of each other, Aussiesynchronization. 8-)

That would be the Gent that made the knives for Bob Cooper. Leliera I think the name of the knife is.

The Australian SAS angle is what always made me think that this knife was patterned after the old WW2 Thumb Daggers as well as the Aboriginal knife that Spencer cited.

I have a couple of the old Tactical Knives Magazines from the 90s that feature survival knives in Australia and the other article is on Cooper's Kit.

I think one of the general ideas about the double edge knife is that you have two edges so you get twice the working area before you have to resharpen them, etc. Then there is the spearing ideas, etc.

It's an interesting little knife. For the most part, double edged knives are for thrusting, you are correct.
 
Primitive skills, survival and bushcraft ay ... they all overlap eachother and may just become a play on semantics.

Gidday Mick :thumbup:
 
G'day Dartanyon

dartanyon said:
A double edged survival kinfe sounds odd to me although I'm keen to learn. Can you tell me more about it?
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I'm pretty sure this is the knife Don is referring to:
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Details can be found here: http://www.knivesaustralia.com.au/survival.html#mini knives


BTW, let me know if you got the email I sent.


Kind regards
Mick
 
That's the one and that's the old webpage that I found or someone else found for me a couple years ago.
 
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