Survival Gear Fallacies

(Note: Get paracord belt.)

Do it, Thomas. You'll like it. I made a belt/baldric. What I mean is I made a belt and a smaller belt, that when clipped to the larger, forms a longer baldric. Or you could just use webbing for the smaller belt and have a readily adjustable feature.

A couple of pictures:

Hanging from a tree, with my BK-3 :D

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A closer shot:

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Doc
 
I think an altoids tin packed with whatever you think will help you out in a dire situation decreases your odds of success. Be realistic.
A SS Guyot or Nalgene bottle nested in a SS cup that is mated with duct tape on the outside is a better idea. You can stuff a UL sil-nylon tarp (think BCUSA UL MEST), a heat sheet, small fire kit, bandana, garbage bag, SAK and first-aid kit in the bottle and you have something that greatly increases your success. Grab the bottle and go. Everything is sealed in a compact waterproof vessel and you have a way to collect water and boil it. You could even put things in the cup before duct taping them together for a little more capacity.

This old thread was pretty cool. http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...-from-our-quot-Bare-Bones-quot-Trip(Pic-Heavy
 
The more you know, the less you HAVE to carry, but in some cases, the more you'll WANT to carry. While most of what I carry is for comfort, I see no reason to suffer. Plus, I've found that I really don't like jam-packed pockets. so instead of a tin that would stay at home, I'd rather carry the doom-bag, and have all kinds of goodies.

The way I see it, a pocket kit has its place, if it works for your speed of doing things. it could be an altoids tin, a small camera case, a EE pouch, ribz pack, or camelback. As long a you are only are the only one who gets hurt by your ego, carry nothing but a battle mistress and your skivvies if it makes you happy (just don't do that where I camp)
 
Personally I'd rather carry one good, stout knife and some waterproof matches than a whole host of little nick-nacks in an Altoids tin.
Discuss...

I understand were you are coming from. But there will never be a concensus on this topic because there are too many variables. Climate, geography, season, night/day, regional resouces or lack there of. Winter in South Carolina is different than winter in Fond Du Lac Saskatchewan.
 
while were discussing fallacies, i think "The more you know, the less you need to carry" is another fallacy..... "The more you know, the less you need to carry" pushes people into minimizing their gear to the point where it might be too dangerous...an extension of that is being too ultralight...here's a nice article written by andrew skurka, “Stupid light”: Why light is not necessarily right, and why lighter is not necessarily better: http://andrewskurka.com/2012/stupid-light-not-always-right-or-better

For me, the key word in that phrase is need. It doesn't mean that you should carry less than is reasonable and smart - it simply means that with more knowledge and skill, if it comes down to it, you could get by with less. Not that you have to or should, as long as you have options. But we should all strive for that level of backup knowledge, because gear breaks, oftentimes when you need it most.

And I fully agree with Skurka about "stupid light." In fact, it actually gets to my original point. In most scenarios I can think of, an Altoids "survival" kit qualifies as "stupid light." That's not to say that there aren't those exceedingly rare individuals with enough skill to get by with one, but that it has become an overblown phenomenon, primarily focused on the size of the package, rather than what makes sense.

I know how to build a variety of shelters out of natural materials. Does that mean my BOB doesn't include a tarp, a pad and a sleeping bag? Hell no.

As I said earlier, if it came down to it, I'd rather have a stout knife and some waterproof matches. But would that be my preferred kit? Definitely not. It would be hard as hell to try and survive with just that for any length of time, even with a decent amount of skill/knowledge.

And my larger point is exactly that - I think a lot of people really kid themselves about how hard it really would be, and that's where some of these prevalent fallacies originate.
 
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In my opinion. Fishing gear is not needed in most survival situations .......

In many cases yes, I agree. In short term situations food is not a big priority, and fishing line is a pain to use as cordage. But here in my area and along the coast in a longer term situation, fishing would be the least labor intensive way of obtaining meat. The right size spider wire line makes decent snare line, and is usable for trip wires for early warning mechanisms for approaching critters whether two-legged or four.
 
In my opinion, the stuff to fish and build traps has a keep your mind busy value. Thinking about where to set lines or traps keeps your mind away from "what ifs."

when it comes to what we carry I can build a fire in adverse conditions as well as anyone l know But, if there is a chance weather condition might get to the point where a fire might mean life or death I will carry a small road flare . orion makes some small ones and they will light pencil size limbs that are wet I have tried them in the rain
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Well, I must say that I think you are taking the whole thing too seriously. I don't think anyone really believes that they could go on long term "survival" with just what they fit in a candy tin. In general; the term "survival" is thrown around too much, and I think we all know that. I mean, I really don't think the majority of the guys on the forums could "survive" one whole (northern) winter with their entire camping kit, if you just dropped them off the in wilderness in mid december.

Like Doc said, I do believe having a pocket kit is a very, very useful thing. I certainly believe they can make the difference in surviving through a night, 24/48hrs. an EPK, (emergency preparedness kit) is there for when you have nothing. A little extra first aid - a little extra fire starting equipment - and some extra cordage. It can go a long way when its all you've got.

And on the "extremely forgiving environment" millions of people in America live where it never freezes during the year, where it barely rains enough to own anything water proof, where only a fire is all they need to get them thru the night(s).

There are thousands of vids on youtube of people overnighting in a natural shelter they built, on site, that day, using no more than what you could carry in a PSK, and they survived!! Watch an episode of survivorman, he goes a week with les <- pun intended. than what most people in here have in their PSK.

I made my girlfriend a kit before she left for 6 weeks this summer. She used everything in there at least once, and some things all the time.

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L2R : Fatwood, neosprin in straw, dental floss in tin foil, Tampon, sewing kit, leatherman micra (used often), flashlight (used everyday), small lighter, not pictured are the meds (allergy / stromach / fever / pain) bandaids, alcohol swabs (under bandaids) two hair ties, and a paper clip.

The one story I can remember off hand is when she was hiking with her little cousin (12yrs), He got a gnarly splinter in his foot (why he was barefoot, I don't know) but he couldn't walk on that foot. He was too big to carry, it was getting late, and they were about a mile and a half from the parking lot. Her father (the doctor) said he couldn't get the splinter out without a needle and an alcohol swab.

Ta-da! out comes her EPK, with the needle from the sewing kit, he was able to get it out, used the alcohol to clean it, put the neosporin on it, bandaid. gave him the tylenol for the "pain" and off they went. No it wasn't a "survival" situation, hopefully she'll never be in that situation, and its likely none of us ever will (knock on wood) but its definitely useful to have in any situation. being so small, I can't think of a reason NOT to carry one.
 
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Well, I must say that I think you are taking the whole thing too seriously. I don't think anyone really believes that they could go on long term "survival" with just what they fit in a candy tin.

Looking around at what gets talked about on a lot of "survival" forums, I would beg to differ. I think there are actually a fair number of people who believe that they will be ok as long as they have these ridiculously minimal kits with them, often that they have never tested for real.

In general; the term "survival" is thrown around too much, and I think we all know that.

Agreed that it is a term that is way over used. Yet if "we all knew that," then we probably wouldn't feel it was over-used, right? It's over-used because a fair number of people use it inappropriately.


...being so small, I can't think of a reason NOT to carry one.

I totally agree in principle, and I can't think of a reason not to always carry certain well-thought out EDC items. Absolutely. Whether you carry them in an Altoids tin, a small "get home bag," a Nalgene bottle in your car, whatever. Rather, I'm referring to what I see as an excessive amount of faith put into these little kits, and the fact that they frequently get referred to as "survival" kits. Call them an EDC, or whatever, but this gets to your point above about precisely why the term "survival" is frequently over-used.
 
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My mini kit has turned a few unexpected overnight and several night hold ups into inconvienient hiccups rather than miserable times .. i like my mini kit , ymmv tho :P

with the web making this a small world tho , what is true for me . here in Australia kicking back in the sun at moment looking forward to a long hot summer , may not be true for them folk who are living in a natural kinda freezer type environment looking at snow , white christmass blizzards ice storms etc ..

where water is my worry .. for others its not freezing or soon will be anyway i guess ..

there are some things that are survival fallacies ..for me .. i cant make the sheet of plastic still thing work .. you know dig a hole spread a garbage bag cut along the sems over it , let condensation do the work .. i couldnt get it to work unless i poured more water into the dirt than i got back as condensation .. maybe dry sand dont cut it tho .. it may work in damp places .. to me its fail tho for where i am , at least where we were cmping on the nullabor when we tried it for funs .

something id like to put out there tho for the folk who believe the more you know the less you carry

i kinda do the opposite .. i mean i know how to make a shelter from found stuff .. but after doing it for fun and a couple times because i needed to , i carry a small ultralight type tarp now , some cord and a few pegs . Soooo worth it imho .. to have insta shelter pretty much vs spending hours making soemthing when the weather im making it in I really dont want to be doing it in .

same with things like carrying my bic lighter , tinder , a knife spare para cord .. I can and have improvised these things but hell , it is so much easier to have them there on hand when they are needed , its why i carry a mini kit , and if im going out of town at all , a few more extras too . Ymmv tho .. i may just be bone lazy
 
Man, when I first read this I was hot to respond. I didn't because I'm on pain meds (4 kidneys stones lasered and removed) and I'm sure I wouldn't be too coherent, maybe still not, but here goes.I disagree with the above statement wholeheartedly. PSK's can indeed be worthwhile, in fact, even life saving, but let's look at the context. My definition of a PSK is a last ditch, redundant source of equipment, duplicating things that you already carry - the old "two is one, and one is...." In fact, my thought is they should be sealed in some way as to not be used frivolously- they should only be employed when there are no ready alternatives. ROCK6 makes the point that water containers and shelter are impossible to carry in a PSK, and I agree totally, almost. But to me, fire and shelter are not mutually exclusive and a small psk can provide you with a quick source of flame. I can make fire with a bow drill and a hand drill, and I've unraveled the thread from the bottom of a pair of jeans and corded it successfully for the bow string, but it's sure a lot faster with a ferro rod and a fire straw. I know this doesn't solve the bigger fuel issues, but most times that doesn't require a big blade or an ax, at least not where I live. And sometimes, a big fire is all the shelter you need.Also quite often when improvising a shelter, a little cordage (100 plus feet of jute in the pouch), another little bit in the can and the snare wire) can go a long ways - forget about making snares or fishing line for a short term stay as pointed out by pitdog. Would I rather have a tarp or a poncho, sure, but this is a stop gap measure when you don't have those things. Direction finding? We can determine direction by shadow stick, shadowless stick and equal shadow techniques, not to mention, Polaris, Cassiopeia (sp?), Orion etc. at night, but it sure is a lot faster using a very small magnet compass, probably 6 of which you can fit on a dime.So with this little kit (seen here), I can use it to aid in making a shelter, make fire much faster than with friction fire techniques, determine direction, and even the little safety pins could be useful to temporarily repair a necessary article of clothing in cold weather. I even added a few small waterproof cards to remind me of things like ground to air signals, which I can never remember for some reason.What more can you ask for out of a kit, smaller than an Altoids can?DocCoincidentally, my buddy Phil and I are planning a video of disecting a PSK, demonstrating the uses of the article contained within and demonstrating alternative techniques using only natural alternatives (eg. using Hawthorn needles instead of the enclosed steel one).(Hope this is coherent :confused: )
Amigo, hope ya pain eases soon. In the spirit of the holiday season I shall repost this as a gift-............................................................
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......................................................................................................................................................................................................Seriously now for a sec, see that my quote of what you wrote has the paragraphs stripped. I didn't do that it happens quite automatically. I don't know what causes it. It's obviously something client side but it happens irrespective of browser or operating system. Something about how my stuff gets routed out clashes with this forum. I gave up caring a long time ago. No dig at you, but I have said before that I've come to like it because those folks that can't visualize a paragraph break when they see I've put in “...........................” I don't really want responding to me anyway. You can guess as to why I might think like that. 69 74 20 64 6f 65 73 6e 27 74 20 74 61 6b 65 20 73 70 65 63 69 61 6c 69 73 74 20 6b 6e 6f 77 6c 65 64 67 65 20 74 6f 20 63 72 61 63 6b ;-) ….....................................................................To business: My beef with the pocket survival kits is two fold. First and foremost is the ubiquitous Altoids tin as a container. I covered that only recently so unless you specifically want to swap inspirations on that I won't dwell on that here.............................................................................................Here I'm more considering what disadvantage you think my approach to average daily living may have against the typical contents of what we see posted in the Altoids kits they carry day in day out..........................................................When I see the average kit a huge amount of space is given over to fire, typically a lighter and some lumps of wood. Another great chunk of space is given over to a fixed blade “tin knife” that has a tiny blade and a teensy handle. It's probably got a length of paracord in it gobbling space. And the rest is often random stuff that one might find in a handbag....................................................................My no survival kit concept doesn't mean I'm without useful stuff. As a matter of daily living, by which I mean in my scruff and not having to swap out to formal shoes, I've got all sorts of stuff about my person that is useful. I'm not a Gadgets and Gear person but stuff soon piles up............................................................... I carry two phones [phone two has a wafer thin vanity mirror in the bag with it that I've posted pics of before], two torches and two knives just because that's the way I role in 'tacoshire. I always have three lighters on me; one Zippo, one pyromaniac's jet gas thing for the pipe, and a little stumpy peanut on my keyring. I've often got a Clipper as well 'cos like a lot of smokers I have those everywhere and I often trouser one without even realizing I'm doing it.................................................................Then there's the stuff that just accumulates on the keyring; wire for poking up stuff, scissors, snips, that kind of stuff. There's invariably a roll of string in my pocket, probably a couple 'cos what's life without string. I've invariably got a roll of half a dozen bin liners with a rubber band round, not industrial ones just black sacks that when bunched up together only take up the space of a Zippo. I'm in the habit of that for everything from the quick dump of mah electronics to the dog sends on an untimely one............................I've got analgesics about my person amongst the fun stuff and often ranitadine too.........................................................I'm also a big fan of winding duct tape round stuff that can functions as a bobbin, like that jet lighter. …...........................................................................If I go anywhere that stands the remotest chance of being interesting I've usually got a camera. On the strap of that lives an old Leatherman Mirca pouch in which there is enough stuff to light multiple fires, that I'm supremely confident that if something is flammable I can make fire with, again and again. I also wear a watch, plus I know the time from either phone.........................................................................I'm sure there's other stuff too but without going a rooting through the pockets of my coats it will escape listing. The point I'm making is this stuff isn't a kit, it was never designed to be a survival kit, it's just stuff that I find useful in daily living. I think of if more like an adult version of a habit I never grew out of from the short trouser years. Mine doesn't have conkers on a bootlace in it, or magnets, or some other stuff I found entertaining and / or useful when I was small, but conceptually it isn't far estranged from that.....................................................................I'll concede that there are some gaps compared to what I'd have about me if I felt at all at risk. For example I'm now out of the habit of carrying a square of folded up foil in my jackets. I usually have that for the mundane task of knocking up a makeshift dog bowl. I also don't carry water purification tabs in daily living, nor needles, thread, buttons and a bit of beeswax like I have tucked in the back of my FAK. I also don't carry hooks and line in daily living. But just with this everyday clutter that is distributed about my person, and nothing I consider special, I feel hugely advantaged over pretty much every pocket survival kit I've ever seen...............................................................................I don't want to ramble on too much further but some things just seem obvious to me such as those tin knives that have half the blade and half the handle length or the average folder in the name of strength. I think that's terrible swap when it comes to actually using one. And do you remember Spark pinning up a competition not so long back to make something useful from one of those paracord bracelets, I do, crickets! And that's about as much paracord as people manage to squeeze into an Altoids tin............................................Anyway, thoughts on the egg basket vs my whimsical approach?
 
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I'm not sure how qualified I am to talk about survival or survival kits. I am sure that I am qualified to talk about suturing wounds in the wild. As a general rule, do NOT do it. First Blood was a movie, not real life.

The concept of a survival kit is problematic because survival is so situational. At best I think the term 'Survival' is a marketing term. At worst, I think 'Survival Kits', especially pre-made ones give naive people a false sense of security. "If I buy a Busse I will be able to survive anything because my knife is so tough." I'm not picking on Busse, it was just the first example of a big expensive knife that came to mind. I own two.

I think that you can go lightweight with your gear if the environment and situation are right. Here is a pretty light weight pack I've used in jungle.
[video=youtube;CkulgBcdZX4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkulgBcdZX4[/video]
Every time I go back I make slight modifications to the gear list, but the main components stay pretty much the same. To go light, I bring multi-use gear. I also pick gear, especially in the shelter arena, that can be configured in a lot of different ways depending on the situation.

I have a utility kit that gets me by for most of the situations I encounter in daily life. I would consider that kit my 'bare minimum' to be augmented with other pieces of gear depending on environment and anticipated length of stay.
[video=youtube;hM0xU15hjw8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM0xU15hjw8[/video]
 
Amigo, hope ya pain eases soon. Thank you my friend, it's getting better. In the spirit of the holiday season I shall repost this as a gift- lol, ya bugger :D............................................................
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......................................................................................................................................................................................................Seriously now for a sec, see that my quote of what you wrote has the paragraphs stripped. I didn't do that it happens quite automatically. I don't know what causes it. It's obviously something client side but it happens irrespective of browser or operating system. Something about how my stuff gets routed out clashes with this forum. I gave up caring a long time ago. No dig at you, but I have said before that I've come to like it because those folks that can't visualize a paragraph break when they see I've put in &#8220;...........................&#8221; I don't really want responding to me anyway. You can guess as to why I might think like that. 69 74 20 64 6f 65 73 6e 27 74 20 74 61 6b 65 20 73 70 65 63 69 61 6c 69 73 74 20 6b 6e 6f 77 6c 65 64 67 65 20 74 6f 20 63 72 61 63 6b ;-) &#8230;.....................................................................To business: My beef with the pocket survival kits is two fold. First and foremost is the ubiquitous Altoids tin as a container. I covered that only recently so unless you specifically want to swap inspirations on that I won't dwell on that here.............................................................................................Here I'm more considering what disadvantage you think my approach to average daily living may have against the typical contents of what we see posted in the Altoids kits they carry day in day out..........................................................When I see the average kit a huge amount of space is given over to fire, typically a lighter and some lumps of wood. Another great chunk of space is given over to a fixed blade &#8220;tin knife&#8221; that has a tiny blade and a teensy handle. It's probably got a length of paracord in it gobbling space. And the rest is often random stuff that one might find in a handbag....................................................................My no survival kit concept doesn't mean I'm without useful stuff. As a matter of daily living, by which I mean in my scruff and not having to swap out to formal shoes, I've got all sorts of stuff about my person that is useful. I'm not a Gadgets and Gear person but stuff soon piles up............................................................... I carry two phones [phone two has a wafer thin vanity mirror in the bag with it that I've posted pics of before], two torches and two knives just because that's the way I role in 'tacoshire. I always have three lighters on me; one Zippo, one pyromaniac's jet gas thing for the pipe, and a little stumpy peanut on my keyring. I've often got a Clipper as well 'cos like a lot of smokers I have those everywhere and I often trouser one without even realizing I'm doing it.................................................................Then there's the stuff that just accumulates on the keyring; wire for poking up stuff, scissors, snips, that kind of stuff. There's invariably a roll of string in my pocket, probably a couple 'cos what's life without string. I've invariably got a roll of half a dozen bin liners with a rubber band round, not industrial ones just black sacks that when bunched up together only take up the space of a Zippo. I'm in the habit of that for everything from the quick dump of mah electronics to the dog sends on an untimely one............................I've got analgesics about my person amongst the fun stuff and often ranitadine too.........................................................I'm also a big fan of winding duct tape round stuff that can functions as a bobbin, like that jet lighter. &#8230;...........................................................................If I go anywhere that stands the remotest chance of being interesting I've usually got a camera. On the strap of that lives an old Leatherman Mirca pouch in which there is enough stuff to light multiple fires, that I'm supremely confident that if something is flammable I can make fire with, again and again. I also wear a watch, plus I know the time from either phone.........................................................................I'm sure there's other stuff too but without going a rooting through the pockets of my coats it will escape listing. The point I'm making is this stuff isn't a kit, it was never designed to be a survival kit, it's just stuff that I find useful in daily living. I think of if more like an adult version of a habit I never grew out of from the short trouser years. Mine doesn't have conkers on a bootlace in it, or magnets, or some other stuff I found entertaining and / or useful when I was small, but conceptually it isn't far estranged from that.....................................................................I'll concede that there are some gaps compared to what I'd have about me if I felt at all at risk. For example I'm now out of the habit of carrying a square of folded up foil in my jackets. I usually have that for the mundane task of knocking up a makeshift dog bowl. I also don't carry water purification tabs in daily living, nor needles, thread, buttons and a bit of beeswax like I have tucked in the back of my FAK. I also don't carry hooks and line in daily living. But just with this everyday clutter that is distributed about my person, and nothing I consider special, I feel hugely advantaged over pretty much every pocket survival kit I've ever seen...............................................................................I don't want to ramble on too much further but some things just seem obvious to me such as those tin knives that have half the blade and half the handle length or the average folder in the name of strength. I think that's terrible swap when it comes to actually using one. And do you remember Spark pinning up a competition not so long back to make something useful from one of those paracord bracelets, I do, crickets! And that's about as much paracord as people manage to squeeze into an Altoids tin............................................Anyway, thoughts on the egg basket vs my whimsical approach?

Despite my affection for my little psk, I would only carry it on a bush trip, not on a day's outing, because, like you, I'm kind of a walking survival kit. I EDC 4 or 5 hanks 0f 550 in approx. 4 and 8 foot lengths (I'm always experimenting with knots, etc), a Spyderco Manix, a Buck Alpha Dorado, a Vic Swiss Spirit, Fenix L2D, Doan fire bar, ferro rod on my keys and other various bits and pieces. Some of this is used in my job as a service technician, but I always carry it with me, working or not. Although it's been almost 60 years since I carried conkers on a bootlace.:D

I sometimes joke with my chiropractor that it's all the crap I carry around with me that causes my back problem, but I would feel naked without it, much like Evil Roy Slade without his weapons, if you know the reference. Having said that, I feel that the addition of a pocket PSK affords that extra bit of insurance against Murphy and his laws when on any kind of extended bush outing, especially considering what is offered with its small size.

Anyway, I think this is going the way of the Busse thread which boils down to - have what you like, and like what you have.

Doc
 
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I'm not sure how qualified I am to talk about survival or survival kits. I am sure that I am qualified to talk about suturing wounds in the wild. As a general rule, do NOT do it. First Blood was a movie, not real life.
You have expertise and this topic comes up every so often. Care to expand a bit on why not?
 
Despite my affection for my little psk, I would only carry it on a bush trip, not on a day's outing, because, like you, I'm kind of a walking survival kit. I EDC 4 or 5 hanks 0f 550 in approx. 4 and 8 foot lengths (I'm always experimenting with knots, etc), a Spyderco Manix, a Buck Alpha Dorado, a Vic Swiss Spirit, Fenix L2D, Doan fire bar, ferro rod on my keys and other various bits and pieces. Some of this is used in my job as a service technician, but I always carry it with me, working or not. Although it's been almost 60 years since I carried conkers on a bootlace.:DI sometimes joke with my chiropractor that it's all the crap I carry around with me that causes my back problem, but I would feel naked without it, much like Evil Roy Slade without his weapons, if you know the reference. Having said that, I feel that the addition of a pocket PSK affords that extra bit of insurance against Murphy and his laws when on any kind of extended bush outing, especially considering what is offered with its small size.Anyway, I think this is going the way of the Busse thread which boils down to - have what you like, and like what you have.Doc
Ha, yeah I saw the vid of you sticking a loop in a line to poke a toggle through in the Becker forum. You're fast. I use a different method that's pretty fast too. 03.blah hrs here so this isn't important but. 1] Rope is vertical. 2] Left hand reaches behind so rope is across wrist. 3] Left hand wax-off across rope above hand. 4] Dive hand down to grab bottom dangling end and pull through...........It's a fairly fluid movement.
 
wow great topic.

I do a lot of different camping. A lot of times I just take a pack 30-50 lbs and walk into the sam houston national forest or some other large preserve as opposed to other times I camp at lawn mowed parks. So I guess when I pack it up and walk in for a few days that can be considered an instance where I am using survival gear. Though I do use this type of gear in my car camping to some degree.

I think what I see from people I encounter that are hiking and camping like me in the woods that I see as a fallacy are the water treatment systems. I see these guys with large 300 dollar water treatment filter/systems that really are not necessary. Chlorine/iodine/taste pellets are all you need in pretty much anywhere in the world (there are exceptions).
The main thing is space when you are using survival type gear. And overpacking for comfort is a huge mistake.

5 years ago I would have said a gps system would be a fallacy (or at least a waste of money) but those buggers are really reliable now-a-days... and small!
 
Interesting to read Taco's description of the survival kit (AKA "gear") that he carries. ^___^

"Nice piece o' kit."
 
I've been backpacking for 5 days with less extra stuff than people put in their altoud tins.

But first I think people making survival kits have to decide what they're trying to survive against. People that work in highrise buildings in Manhattan probably don't have much need for fishing gear, or space blankets, or lots of other things. I work in a building that is barely highrise buy my survival kit is a duffel bag with a Cold Steel G.I. Tanto knife, a good sized pry bar, a piece of 2x4 to use as a baton, and a 2D LED matlite. My main survival need is to try to get out of the building. I've thought about other things, such as 200' of good rope but I don't have any experience rappelling.

When I'm out away from home I might need to be able to repair my car if it breaks down in the middle of nowhere so I carry automotive tools. Of course in the car I can also carry food and water, and shelter to keep me warm, and I always have a cellphone. What can you put in an altoids tin that would help with any of this?

Now if a person wants to go out in an unfamiliar area and do some day hiking maybe there are a few small items that would help them, but I think the biggest problem would be warmth and shelter and those require more space. I've learned that if I'm hiking in an area where weather could be an issue, to carry proper clothing.

I haven't created a small survival kit but I do try to pack with some survival in mind if I am going away from home.
 
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