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Bad Survive! Deserves A Permanent Post In The Hall Of Shame
- Thread starter ncrockclimb
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You would think after all this time he would stop documenting his own failings. “Look at all these blanks that I just didn’t have time to get to”. Those preorders that he failed to build for paying customers really are a slap in the face.
Danny Linguini
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This guy steadfastly remains so utterly full of shit to the very end.
Even at the very end, Guy can't admit that he was the problem. It's still predatory lending and not having the right partners to support him. Never mind that Heavyset Tactical said that Guy would just wander off and not do the work and didn't feel like others were capable of finishing the knives. So nothing was done for long periods of time.
I feel bad for everyone out there that got burned in the end, but it's not like this thread didn't document the issues for years and years.
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Even the comments on that video show there are people who drank in so much of Guy's kool aid/jizz that can't see he knew for years he was done and yet it always remains the fault of everyone but him. Each of those boxes contains something "someone" paid for along the way that they will never see but there is still that inkling that he can take them to a maker and complete them for sale (not for the person who already paid for them).
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Remember, those comments are heavily “moderated”.
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It is now a documented Pennsylvania HAZMAT site after being used to clean up after the (ahem) fan boy / youtube shill activities.
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Also, isn't it illegal to sell the equipment before it is repossessed when you are within a certain time period of filing for bankruptcy?
And wasn't that equipment he sold collateral on the loans?
It wasn't a get rich operation. It was a low level street type con job. Not much above begging on a street corner. That's the level of exit strategy. When one corner stops putting out the coin, on to the next. They've just run out of corners.
This^. They repeated the same business "mistakes" over and over again for a decade. That's not bad luck or bad business. That's a grift they successfully lived off of for a decade.
ncrockclimb
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and Guy and Ellie LIED again and again and again and again and again and again... They said so many things that were not even close to being true. They defamed legitimate businesses and anyone that called them out on their BS. Guy and Ellie knew what they were doing, and ran a con for a decade. Over 1000 people got ripped off. Guy and Ellie are not victims.
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FROM YOUTUBE COMENTS - Ironic that the Survive Logo is Flames
DocJekl
11 hours ago
You couldn't at least ship the unfinished blanks to customers who paid for knives, but you sold the equipment before it could be repossessed? I would also think that selling off equipment that belongs to all the creditors (including people that prepaid for knives who became creditors) would be violating the terms of bankruptcy if done within a certain number of days before filing (like 90 days).
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@Surviveknives
5 hours ago
The company had no money when the equipment was going to be repossessed. I was also in the process of being evicted from the shop, so the liquidation of the shop assets was the only logical move. I was hoping the small amount of post liquidation proceeds would be enough to pass off production to a machine shop here locally. Unfortunately chargebacks made that option impossible.
It is not my intention to offend you but comments like this and some others help me understand that a lot of people really don't understand much of anything about how things actually work. This isn't television. Under the law, secured creditors, like equipment lenders, are the first in line to receive payment.
I have no options for moving forward with negative money on the books. I have no place to work, no money to rent a place, no car to get around, and no equipment at all to do work.
On the advice of council and under the terms of my assurance of voluntary compliance agreement, SURVIVE! is done, I'm done. I am truly sorry that I let some of you folks down, but my hands are tied at this point.
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DocJekl
0 seconds ago
@Surviveknives I understand Bankruptcy after I had to go through it in 1999 when I became ill and had to shut down my medical practice overnight. I know your creditors get whatever assets are left - I called my mortgage company and did a deed in deed in leiu of foreclosure, I called my equipment leasing company and had them collect the office billing system after moving the billing software to my personal laptop, and included my accounts receivable among my assets for the court..
Maybe a fair way to have dealt with this would have been to STOP taking orders you knew you couldn't fill, get a job, give the blade stock to a generous knife maker willing to finish them, or to ship the unfinished blades to customers with a note that you are out of money. THEN waited an appropriate amount of time to file Bankrupty where it would not come back to hit the customers who could have been demanded by the court to return the assets, and let the lenders repossess the equipment, while you flip burgers for food and rent.
You instead sold your machines and equipment that was collateral, and now the only assets remaining are blade stock that belongs to the customers, but will instead get distributed among all your creditors. The customers will get a few pennies on the dollar if anything at all. You hurt the little guys, Guy.
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DocJekl
11 hours ago
You couldn't at least ship the unfinished blanks to customers who paid for knives, but you sold the equipment before it could be repossessed? I would also think that selling off equipment that belongs to all the creditors (including people that prepaid for knives who became creditors) would be violating the terms of bankruptcy if done within a certain number of days before filing (like 90 days).
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@Surviveknives
5 hours ago
The company had no money when the equipment was going to be repossessed. I was also in the process of being evicted from the shop, so the liquidation of the shop assets was the only logical move. I was hoping the small amount of post liquidation proceeds would be enough to pass off production to a machine shop here locally. Unfortunately chargebacks made that option impossible.
It is not my intention to offend you but comments like this and some others help me understand that a lot of people really don't understand much of anything about how things actually work. This isn't television. Under the law, secured creditors, like equipment lenders, are the first in line to receive payment.
I have no options for moving forward with negative money on the books. I have no place to work, no money to rent a place, no car to get around, and no equipment at all to do work.
On the advice of council and under the terms of my assurance of voluntary compliance agreement, SURVIVE! is done, I'm done. I am truly sorry that I let some of you folks down, but my hands are tied at this point.
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DocJekl
0 seconds ago
@Surviveknives I understand Bankruptcy after I had to go through it in 1999 when I became ill and had to shut down my medical practice overnight. I know your creditors get whatever assets are left - I called my mortgage company and did a deed in deed in leiu of foreclosure, I called my equipment leasing company and had them collect the office billing system after moving the billing software to my personal laptop, and included my accounts receivable among my assets for the court..
Maybe a fair way to have dealt with this would have been to STOP taking orders you knew you couldn't fill, get a job, give the blade stock to a generous knife maker willing to finish them, or to ship the unfinished blades to customers with a note that you are out of money. THEN waited an appropriate amount of time to file Bankrupty where it would not come back to hit the customers who could have been demanded by the court to return the assets, and let the lenders repossess the equipment, while you flip burgers for food and rent.
You instead sold your machines and equipment that was collateral, and now the only assets remaining are blade stock that belongs to the customers, but will instead get distributed among all your creditors. The customers will get a few pennies on the dollar if anything at all. You hurt the little guys, Guy.
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