Bad Survive! Deserves A Permanent Post In The Hall Of Shame

AbjectTestament said:
Disappointing is a more accurate word. When you start to look at some people's post history you see patterns and trends of constantly calling out people as plants and spies and shills. You guys must have had a hell of an experience with this in the past to leave everyone so on edge with a hair-trigger.
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The fact that you can type this in a 76 page long thread that starts with multiple links to other threads about the malfeasance of the company in question shows a truly astounding lack of self awareness.
 
AbjectTestament said:
Disappointing is a more accurate word. When you start to look at some people's post history you see patterns and trends of constantly calling out people as plants and spies and shills. You guys must have had a hell of an experience with this in the past to leave everyone so on edge with a hair-trigger.
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Ironic.

Turning your suspicions on vetted members, here, while continuing to defend Survive!...

(Definitely NOT a shill!!}
 
Insipid Moniker said:
The fact that you can type this in a 76 page long thread that starts with multiple links to other threads about the malfeasance of the company in question shows a truly astounding lack of self awareness.
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I saw people defending Survive. Misguided fans, the blindly loyal, and people trying to post honest experiences. Please show me where some, or even one, of these posters proved to be an employee from Survive, hired by survive, or commissioned by them in exchange for cheap/free products.

Let's set the bar for proof higher than them being new to the site.
 
craytab said:
Thanks for posting your experience marrenmiller. Good info.


I only take issue with the above. If it is not an intentional scam then why continue it for almost a decade? Same exact pattern, year after year. All the while telling customers what is really happening actually isn't.

And you yourself say how ridiculously poor they are moving through their backlog. How is that moving in the right direction? And remember, they have been doing this for years now. No change.

The scam only works if it is done exactly as survive is doing it.
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That's totally fair and I should have worded that differently. It appears to me like they are earnestly trying to shorten wait times for new orders and to move things in the right direction, not necessarily that they are succeeding. That's really all the positive I can say about their practices. I don't know that it's a scam per se, but I'll admit that's probably down to individual interpretation of the word "scam"..

When they released the data showing their delivery percentages, that really did demonstrate to me that they haven't done much for the old orders and are clearly disregarding FIFO principles in fulfillment. I think that's pretty ugly, and it definitely changed my view on how significant their problems are on addressing those older orders. When I get a moment, I'll add an edit to my post to clarify that.
 
mattmanyam said:
Ironic.

Turning your suspicions on vetted members, here, while continuing to defend Survive!...

(Definitely NOT a shill!!}
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I see how some of you guys treat each other. Super respectful there.

Also I never defended survives past nor will I. I believe I said they should have made an effort to send factory 2cds to people with pre-orders in as well. It's fucked they didn't.
 
marrenmiller said:
I don't know that it's a scam per se, but I'll admit that's probably down to individual interpretation of the word "scam"..
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I can confidently say some new businesses will do some pretty unethical or unscrupulous things to get established or to survive if you would. It's pretty cutthroat. Not sure if this is what Survive did. I think businesses that do start off this way make an effort to go legit as quickly as possible. Survive is going on 8 years so I don't know.

marrenmiller said:
When they released the data showing their delivery percentages, that really did demonstrate to me that they haven't done much for the old orders and are clearly disregarding FIFO principles in fulfillment. I think that's pretty ugly, and it definitely changed my view on how significant their problems are on addressing those older orders.
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Agree with you here. Those stats really surprised me. One for how many people are waiting on orders and two for the fact Survive posted them. Maybe it's a show of falling on their sword? Going to be tricky providing that heat treatment people paid for on 5-year-old orders.
 
PirateSeulb said:
They have played the blame game a lot and I take each of those with a large grain of salt as I suspect what ever happened was blown out of proportion and probably due to poor communication which I put mostly on Survive as there is very clear indication that they really suck at it.
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Ahhhh....remember when they were posting about how they were moving into Millett's shop to cohabitate and this was the big key factor that was just going to turn everything around? Then nothing changed for another year or two, and then suddenly it's all "Now that we've gotten rid of THOSE guys, now our company is going to take off to NEWWW HEIGHTS!" Fast forward to now, and they still can't seem to make and ship product in anything approaching a reasonable timeframe (or at all if you're one of the guys who's still waiting years later), that is just so classic Survive?Knives, isn't it? I imagine Ellie just has a word doc with all her excuses saved at this point, ready to trot out when the faithful get a little rowdy.

Sad when the only reliable thing about this "company" is the ubiquitous use of the exact same excuses. Well, I mean, it's sad if you're one of the many people who's still waiting for a knife years later, while guys like this gent come in talking about how they placed an order and got it several months later, and though he can see the info they themselves posted about old orders not fulfilled, still can't seem to grasp why we aren't cutting this garbage company any slack.

Really makes you go "Hmmmm...."

Also, hopefully, my stalker will give me that laugh emoji, because I mean, talk about reliable, amirite? LOL
 
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Scam-Vive Knives "Last In, First Out" operation points to their thieving nature (once felon, always a felon). It looks like they count on some of the early supporters being dead, or, at least having Alzheimer's Disease. It benefits Scam-Vive to drag their feet; some of long overdue knives won't ever have to be delivered. All this pattern of behavior makes them thieves. I think, by now, they've earned a new title for this thread: "Stay Away from Felon Run, Thieving Survive Knives" and I hope OP ncrockclimb ncrockclimb can modify it.
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AbjectTestament said:
I saw people defending Survive. Misguided fans, the blindly loyal, and people trying to post honest experiences. Please show me where some, or even one, of these posters proved to be an employee from Survive, hired by survive, or commissioned by them in exchange for cheap/free products.

Let's set the bar for proof higher than them being new to the site.
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And so you understand that this company has been operating like this for years, has outstanding orders from six years ago that they still haven't fulfilled, has operated illegally in regards to refunds, yet you decided that your experience with them trumped all that and that it was worth chiming in to defend them and that the blowback you've gotten is somehow unfair, or too mean, or unjustified?
 
RAZZORBACK said:
If my second was sold to me as a first, I wouldn't be calling SK a Company that sells flawless products... The rest you certainly can figure out yourself...
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I mean....the very fact that they sell "seconds" at all, is concrete proof that they aren't a company that sells flawless products, right?
 
Quiet said:
Ahhhh....remember when they were posting about how they were moving into Millett's shop to cohabitate and this was the big key factor that was just going to turn everything around? Then nothing changed for another year or two, and then suddenly it's all "Now that we've gotten rid of THOSE guys, now our company is going to take off to NEWWW HEIGHTS!" Fast forward to now, and they still can't seem to make and ship product in anything approaching a reasonable timeframe (or at all if you're one of the guys who's still waiting years later), that is just so classic Survive?Knives, isn't it? I imagine Ellie just has a word doc with all her excuses saved at this point, ready to trot out when the faithful get a little rowdy.

Sad when the only reliable thing about this "company" is the ubiquitous use of the exact same excuses. Well, I mean, it's sad if you're one of the many people who's still waiting for a knife years later, while guys like this gent come in talking about how they placed an order and got it several months later, and though he can see the info they themselves posted about old orders not fulfilled, still can't seem to grasp why we aren't cutting this garbage company any slack.

Really makes you go "Hmmmm...."

Also, hopefully, my stalker will give me that laugh emoji, because I mean, talk about reliable, amirite? LOL
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And the seemingly endless problems with suppliers and vendors... I'm pretty sure were all really their problems with Survive!.
 
A AbjectTestament
I believe you said that you’ve read this entire thread… here’s some more reading if you’re interested.

Details why the SURVIVE! forum was closed among other things.

Survive knives forum should be closed

Kevin, Survive! Knives represent this forum negatively in several ways. When new people come to bladeforums and search through our manufacturer list, they see survive! knives and are unaware of all the shenanigans the company has pulled through the years. They have customers waiting for...
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danbot said:
And the seemingly endless problems with suppliers and vendors... I'm pretty sure were all really their problems with Survive!.
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Heh, maybe that's why S?K can't seem to put out products on anything approaching a timely fashion: Guy now has to learn how to actually make knives. Let's see, historically, dude received handle scales, blade blanks (which he then sent to heat-treat, so he can't even do THAT himself), sheaths, and parts for all and sundry. Then his job was to bolt stuff together, run the handles on a sander or grinder to shape, sharpen the knife, then put it in a box and ship it out. Technically, he hasn't ever had to make anything himself, and with as many bridges as these bums have burned, he's probably now realizing that buying expensive machines to stand in front of while making videos in an ironed dress-shirt is like 10% of the process of making knives. You actually have to know how to use them. Oops! Oh, and by the way, any time Guy would like to drop by and challenge my understanding of his business process, feel free!

Oh, and before someone responds with "Well...well, Guy helped develop the Delta 3V process!!!!!", my response is "Oh? Is that why they aren't using it anymore? Using a process that makes a knife that perfect balance of toughness and edge-holding? Dude helped develop it but is letting it go? Huh. Ok, then."

Personally, if I'd helped develop something world-beating like the D3V HT protocol, I'd use it on every single product I made until the cows came home. But that's just me. Losing the D3V protocol for "cost reasons", just means that their product, which is just bolted together parts sourced from actual makers/suppliers, now gets stacked up against a TON of other fixed blades currently on the market, and almost all of them are better because most companies actually, you know, make a product, and then make it actually available. When's the last time Bark River, Benchmade, Cold Steel, and a slew of others made people wait six years for a 3V knife? 🤣 🤣 🤣

I've owned two GSOs, (gave one away years ago, and sold another recently), and can tell you objectively that nothing about these knives puts them in a class above others. In fact, my CPK FK2 was a better cutter all around than my GSO 4.7 was. Now Guy has decided in his tremendous business wisdom to remove the one selling point his knives had?

Huh, makes complete sense. By all means, let's keep defending the guy, he hasn't gotten it together yet, maybe he will one day.

🤣 🤣 🤣
 
RAZZORBACK said:
If my second was sold to me as a first, I wouldn't be calling SK a Company that sells flawless products... The rest you certainly can figure out yourself...
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Oh, the rest of us already have it figured, and it is one of the many reasons why they got their sub here shut down and their company is in the hall of shame. Just wanted to see if you knew why, as it seems you don't even though it is pretty well covered here.
 
Quiet said:
I mean....the very fact that they sell "seconds" at all, is concrete proof that they aren't a company that sells flawless products, right?
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I think we can agree on the fact that seconds do not have to be flawless, right? Firsts I have seen have been so far.
 
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