T.R.E. Three Rapid Exchange LionSTEEL

The issue with Knife Awards is that many a times voters only get a cursory chance to look and feel them over since the knives are so new. The CRKT Hi Jinx had serious lock stick. CRKT could have opted to have a lock bar insert installed but that would have increased the price.
The price was increased at some dealers by $100 if I remember correctly?Loved the design of that one also, but $400 for a CRKT.....I just don't know considering the design flaw(lock stick).Where did purchasers send the Hijinx for warranty work to?Is the Warranty work handled in the USA or Italy?I am curious......
 
I would love a Ti/CF model with the properly tuned detent for flipping.I am sure Lionsteel will make things right.They seem to have a positive interaction and are listening to their customer base.

Perhaps even TI/CF models that are flipper only and with a strong detent. That would be my personal preference! That should also bring down the price since the blade is much simpler and perhaps to set them apart and further reduce costs they could opt for standoffs instead of backspacer.
 
Perhaps even TI/CF models that are flipper only and with a strong detent. That would be my personal preference! That should also bring down the price since the blade is much simpler and perhaps to set them apart and further reduce costs they could opt for standoffs instead of backspacer.
Yes that would be cool....They are listening and that may happen.I would buy one and the standoffs / flow through looks way better in my eyes.May bee the backspacer is used for extra strength or to prevent too much flex.
 
The price was increased at some dealers by $100 if I remember correctly?Loved the design of that one also, but $400 for a CRKT.....I just don't know considering the design flaw(lock stick).Where did purchasers send the Hijinx for warranty work to?Is the Warranty work handled in the USA or Italy?I am curious......

I know some people sent it to CRKT and got new ones in return. Even though only 500 were produced it took the longest time for them to be sold. I bought mine for $300. MSRP was $500!
 
May bee the backspacer is used for extra strength or to prevent too much flex.

I think the backspacer is just an aesthetic design element. It's being held in place by three scale screws so with three standoffs it should be plenty strong.
 
I know some people sent it to CRKT and got new ones in return. Even though only 500 were produced it took the longest time for them to be sold. I bought mine for $300. MSRP was $500!
I had one in my cart for $299 and never hit the purchase button. Glad I passed because even at $300 too much in my eyes even if it had a steel insert.Back on topic:
Th TRE looks like a beautiful little knife that I would want only as a flipper with the proper detent for flipping.I like the thumb studs, but the knife is really a thumbstud opened knife that can be flicked open.It is not really flipper in my eyes unless they fix the detent strength to enable correct flipping.Seems some other makers models have the same problem when trying to have multiple deployment options.One particular model that I can think of fist two letters of the model start with XM.Not a true flipper in my eyes because of a generally weak detent is used to enable the easy use of thumbstud deployment.This tends to turn some consumers away because the knife is marketed as a flipper, but you get the limp flipping effect.
 
I had one in my cart for $299 and never hit the purchase button. Glad I passed because even at $300 too much in my eyes even if it had a steel insert.Back on topic:
Th TRE looks like a beautiful little knife that I would want only as a flipper with the proper detent for flipping.I like the thumb studs, but the knife is really a thumbstud opened knife that can be flicked open.It is not really flipper in my eyes unless they fix the detent strength to enable correct flipping.Seems some other makers models have the same problem when trying to have multiple deployment options.One particular model that I can think of fist two letters of the model start with XM.Not a true flipper in my eyes because of a generally weak detent is used to enable the easy use of thumbstud deployment.This tends to turn some consumers away because the knife is marketed as a flipper, but you get the limp flipping effect.

The G-10 model has a nice flipper action noticeably better than the CF/TI models (first batches) and all much better than the Hinderer XM-18 3".

The G-10 flipper action is not as robust as the ZT 0450 as has also been mentioned by another user per the post below. Also, the flipper tab on the TRE is quite small so you do not have much leverage. ZT 0808 also has a small flipper tab and you can notice the flipper action difference between ZT 0808 and 0450 which has the bigger flipper tab.

Personally, for about the same price, I'd definitely take the LionSteel TRE G-10 over the ZT 0450. It has a just under 3" blade to make it legal in more areas plus the blade is M390 vs. S35VN.

I got the Orange flipper in today from Lamnia and I am very impressed. The knife feels more substantial to me than the specs suggest, I think it's because of the chunky blade stock they use. The machining and work put into this knife is really impressive.

My example has no lock stick and flips smoothly, it doesn't flip as hard as a 0450 but the form factor, fit and finish and smaller size make up for this in every way. In fact I sold a ZT 0450 to fund this knife and I am happy I did.


 
My choice would be the TI first as it looks just stunning.A CF model would be cool especially with the Ti backspacer, but I prefer the Ti looks by far it's the sexy one.The G10 is more economical and quite frankly I don't think this particular model would kick any of my current EDC models out of the rotation.The G10 is nice, but I tend to be drawn to the sexiest models by nature.I will wait and see if LS strengthens the detent on the Ti and CF models
 
The action on my Ti TRE has deteriorated so much that I cannot count on it flipping all the way open at all.

In multiple tests, the best I can get are six full consecutive flips; after that, it's the limp dick for at least the same number of times.
 
Here are some replies based on communication with Gianni just now. He's pressed for time this week.

  • All the latest TRE flippers have more retention
  • User cannot just get a new lockbar insert with a larger detent ball but the knife needs to be adjusted
  • You can send the knife to DPx Gear in San Diego instead of LionSteel in Italy

I have contacted DPx Gear and hope to hear from them tomorrow.
 
Here are some replies based on communication with Gianni just now. He's pressed for time this week.

  • All the latest TRE flippers have more retention
  • User cannot just get a new lockbar insert with a larger detent ball but the knife needs to be adjusted
  • You can send the knife to DPx Gear in San Diego instead of LionSteel in Italy

I have contacted DPx Gear and hope to hear from them tomorrow.

- Do not write to DPX, you will NOT have any answer.
- Write ONLY to lionSteel all the problems of your LionSteel knife and you will have the instruction.
- write only to: info@lionsteel.it
 
Well here is my full review/overview. Just my opinion, take it for what it's worth.

Lionsteel TRE

If James Bond carried a knife, I think he would give serious consideration to the Lionsteel TRE. Small, lightweight, elegant and of course, dangerous to any object that needs cutting in an EDC role.

Lionsteel has been making knives since 1969, but more recently came into the spotlight with their line of production integral folding knives, winning several coveted Blade awards and leading the way with applications of new technology such as Additive Manufacturing technology in the TiDust model. Many Lionsteel fans assumed that their next model would be an integral flipper, leveraging their flagship integral designs with the popularity of the flipper tab design. However, what they created instead was an innovative knife in a different direction, a modular design built for the world stage, the TRE.
TRE stands for Three Rapid Exchange, taking cues from the knife’s ability to utilize three separate system for deployment based on the users preferences; but more likely the laws and regulations governing the ever complex world of knife users around the globe.

The knife is available in basically two formats, the entry level G10 models, and the more premium carbon fiber or full titanium. Between the models there will be slight differences in weight, but other differences include a stationary flipper tab, handle materials and the lack of a blade swedge on the G10 models.

Overall Impressions
Lionsteel has created an elegant everyday user that will happily fall into jeans and suit pockets across the globe. While the innovative modularity of the knife will be lost on many, those who deal with strict knife laws in specific cities, states or countries will appreciate the ability to adapt without needing to purchase a new knife. More impressive though, is how they integrated the 3 opening methods. Adding or removing one method does not detract from the beauty of the knife. The more I carry this one, the more it grows on me.

Specs
Blade Length: 2.9 in
Handle Length: 3.9
Overall Length: 6.8 in
Handle Thickness: 0.48 in
Handle Width: 1.2 in
Weight: 2.95 oz
Steel: M390
Pivot: Captured IKBS Bearings

Deployment methods
As flippers are currently the most popular deployment method, the first question that most of you will ask is, “How does it flip?! The answer is, good, but not great. When creating a knife to fit several platforms, the action must be generalized, not optimized. Had they created a knife with optimized flipping action, those using the thumb disk or two handed openings would really struggle to get the knife open. If I had to concede that one method has been optimized, it would be the thumb disk opening, which allows for good flipping action and relative ease of two handed opening as well. Both the ‘lightswitch’ and ‘pressdown’ flipping methods will deploy the knife readily once broken in and given your lubricant of choice. The detent is such that I could not shake the blade out no matter how hard I tried. Another small detail that I love is the addition of a ‘detent track.’ This can be seen on the tang of the blade in the closed position and allows the detent ball to easily overcome the blade tang when closing the knife. Helping to create a much smoother experience that the typical ‘jump’ for a smoother experience.

The thumb disk has a degree of ‘jimping’ that should be positioned to face the blade tip. Said ‘jimping’ provides a nice amount of traction to the minimalist size disk. Two other details that I love in regard to the thumb disk are the inclusion of flat and round screws. If you choose not to install the disk, the knife came shipped with a rounded screw in the spine of the blade. As the blade spine is beautifully rounded, the round screw prevents a sharp breakup in that premium detail. However, the round screw would protrude if used in conjunction with the thumb disk, so a flat screw is also included should you want to install the thumb stud. Details, all about the details.
Thankfully I don’t live in a place that prevents one handed opening methods. But if you are one of those unfortunate souls, the smoothness of the IKBS would certainly impress those accustomed to lock-backs and other traditional knives. Even if it’s not a question of legality, those who prefer traditional knives might find something special with this knife in a two handed opening setup and removal of the pocket clip.

Ergonomics
I was quite surprised that this little knife fits well in my XL hands. Every inch has been rounded, contoured and machined to give as much aesthetic appeal as it does comfort in the hand. The large chamfered area in the middle of the handle helps to lock in the first and middle finger quite well, giving me at least, confidence in the grip and control of the knife. The subtle CNC mill lines throughout the handles also give a little additional grip to the full titanium knife as well as a very premium and refined look. I also find the thumb disk to be a nice place for my thumb to rest while using the knife, but I also hate to cover any part of the rounded spine.

Blade
Thankfully Lionsteel did not compromise when it came to steel choice, the little 2.9 inch flat ground blade is made of Bohler’s M390 and has a wonderfully sharp edge. No jimping to speak of on this little gentlemanly folder, but again the application is more of light to medium use EDC than hard use, or tactical. Though when push comes to shove, just about any knife can be used outside of the design parameters. Should you choose to use the thumb disk, it provides a pseudo run of jumping or place to rest your thumb on the blade spine. The flipper tab, is quite small and unobtrusive while installed, also lacks any jimping, but utilizes a flat face for flipping purchase. Blade stock thickness ranges from 0.148 in (3.75mm) at the spine, to 0.026 in (0.664mm) behind the edge.

Handles, Lockbar, Backspacer
Leave it to the Italian to produce beautiful designs. One of my favorite aspects of the full titanium version is the subtle cnc mill marks purposely left throughout the entire handle. Not just on the flat faces, but also on the rounded portions. Every inch of this knife has some degree of interesting detail. The lockside pivot bears the IKBS logo, in a triangular inset so the pivot cannot move, that is then mirrored on the show side with a triangular pivot cutout. One nice detail is that even the cutout for the left handed pocket clip has the same texturing as the rest of the handle, adding detail instead of an eye-sore. Some additional chamfering has been placed directly behind the flipper tab on the insides of the scales to aid in flipping comfort, which is accomplishes to a small degree.
The knife uses a nice solid framelock that sits at about 15% lockup and is without play in any direction. The lockbar uses an interesting cutout that does not follow the typical 90 degree ease of manufacturing template. In fact, there are multiple angular grinds on the lockbar right where the stainless steel lock insert is screwed in, likely for no other reason than visual appeal. The lockbar has been left slightly raised for ease of access while disengaging. You will find a slight chamfer on that raises portion so there are no sharp edges to irritate your thumb. The lockbar cutout has been given a different cnc pattern that contrasts the rest of the handle. The backspacer is made of titanium and a semi-floating design of sorts. It has also been rounded and given as much time and attention as the rest of the handles. The butt of the knife also has a fairly generous lanyard hole.

Hardware
Although it was impossible to not touch upon the hardware up to this point, a few things are still worth mentioning. The first of which is the really nice 3D titanium pocket clip that adorns the knife. Given a horizontal cnc mill pattern to contrast the rest of the handles, the spring tension is excellent and has worked well in both slack and jeans without any issues. The knife comes with the additional hardware such as flat screws, round screws, and slots in the wooden case so that each screw can be stored in an orderly fashion. Most companies would include a plastic bag with all the extras and not take the time to integrate them into the presentation. Another element of the hardware, is the inclusion of the Torx T6 and T8 drivers. These items were not expected by any, yet they were included and beautifully machined so the tools are handy for altering the knife setup to your liking. Even the keyring is a beautiful wavy pattern, no corners were cut on the hardware.

Presentation
In typical Lionsteel fashion the knife was shipped in a wooden display box with a branded cardboard sleeve. Everything is laid out for visual appeal and functional shipping. The included hardware and Torx drivers have already been mentioned.

Conclusion
I certainly feel like Lionsteel took their time with this knife and given us an elegant EDC knife that works for many people across the globe. Concessions had to be made to work with various legal restrictions as well as deployment methods, but aesthetically no corners were cut, nor expense spared.
It will be easy for many to lose sight of the big picture, as one particular opening method or aesthetic detail may not be what they desired, but when looking at the whole package, it’s an extremely impressive knife. Many will also want to compare this knife to the ZT 0450 based on size alone; but price, details, and design intention render them completely different knives. I’m quite happy to add this one to my small sized EDC knife rotation.

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Video follows the written comments to a lesser extent, but in HD.

[video=youtube;4MhgghKStME]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MhgghKStME[/video]
 
austonh,

Spot-on review!!!! Very comprehensive & well written!!!

The Lionsteel TRE is a great little knife & you nailed its salient features.
 
austonh,

Spot-on review!!!! Very comprehensive & well written!!!

The Lionsteel TRE is a great little knife & you nailed its salient features.

Thanks so much for the kind words. I was fairly tired when I wrapped up the video and written review last night. Probably needs a bit more editing.
 
Nice detailed review Austonh with the nice pictures.

It's compromised design to accommodate the various opening mechanisms and I agree that the initial batch was optimized for thumb disc opening. My TI Blue is very smooth but the detent is so weak that it opened in my pocket once and I can flick it open. Not so with the G-10 one and the newest CF one looks like the same small detent ball.

The lack of jimping on the blade spine is not a big issue for a small EDC and yes I also use the thumb disc as a rest for my thumb when deployed. It's an excellent thumb disc design.

Blade is excellent, sharp, nice slicer, centered and no blade play at all. Lockup is solid.

I'll be sending my TI Blue and CF models for replacement since the detents are too weak. Gianni mentioned this was only for the initial batches. No issues with the G-10.
 
One question from the above review:

"The thumb disk has a degree of ‘jimping’ that should be positioned to face the blade tip."

Is that correct, or should the jimping face the thumb to get more purchase on the blade?
 
One question from the above review:

"The thumb disk has a degree of ‘jimping’ that should be positioned to face the blade tip."

Is that correct, or should the jimping face the thumb to get more purchase on the blade?

Should equate to the same thing. Pics or video likely illustrate the point better.
 
I received my TRE yesterday. I was honestly shocked at how small and light it is (not in a bad way). This is a nice blade in a small package. The CF decreases the weight even more, and with a lot of ppl comparing the size to a small Sebenza, I can tell you it weighs about half as much as a Sebbie.

With the the thumb stud attached this thing flicks open better and faster than most flippers out there. I mean this thing is almost recklessly fast. With the goal being to have a flipper that still was functional to open with the thumb disk, they beyond exceeded.

That being said... the Flipper is abysmal. Truly. And i hate to say anything negative about this knife, and I love what LionSteel has to bring to the game.
Now it could be just mine, but the flipping action is "I want to return the knife bad". THAT BAD.

However, the thumb disc saves it. I HATE thumb disks. of all deployment methods they are my least favorite. But the thumb disk on this blade is unique, more ergonomic, its not tacky; it saves this knife. I know Gianni and co are letting you return the knives to have the detent ball changed and the knife adjusted... but i may just opt for a G10 and keep this one Thumb Disk solo.

A different perspective to some of the other reviews being said, but wanted some people who might be dismissing this blade from the detent issues to maybe look at it from another angle. The Thumb disk angle.
 
I definitely glad I went with the G10 version. I almost got the carbon fiber but I wanted something with a bit more grip. Has anyone removed the pocket clip on there's yet? I like to carry my small folders with out a clip but when I take the clip screw out I haven't been able to dis lodge the clip.
 
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