Tactical Folder

[Ankerson]

http://img.moonbuggy.org/sensors-indicate-noob/ If anyone can post this image for me id be quite grateful)

What hole are these people crawling out of?

The fine is for .....well fine tip work :jerkit: knives have pointy tips for things other than stabbing people. it seems to help alot of people out when working with wood.


A busse tank buster is a combat knife a gerber mark 2 is a fighting knife a spyderco military is not a combat knife or a fighting knife.

Exactly. :thumbup:

The Military is not built sturdy enough to be a fighting knife or a combat knife. There are much better folders on the market for that purpose, and tons of fixed blades.

 

[Stainz]

I'm not a LEO... and my military experience (USN) ended when Nixon was still Prez. The most I ever carried was a 1911 - as POOW on the ship - add a stick when I was SP off it. To me, as a civilian, one of the below items is 'tactical', the other two are pocket knives. Oops... make them 'easily transportable cutlery' for what they cost.

I feel a bit better protected with that AirLite Ti... you might even say 'Special'. I know, the 760BK LTi is a Lum tanto - and it's black - gotta be 'tacticool'. I bought it because it's a Ti handled M4 steel knife... enamored by such, I ignored that flat end, kemosabe. I just think it's a nice pocketable knife - and I couldn't pass up a deal (Gun stores are still selling guns * ammo - the knife sales are still down - look for deals!). The 710D2 is just neat... and my wife gave it to me. To be honest, I couldn't find anything wrong with the Millie - I just haven't bought one! I don't see either the 710 or the Millie as a 'tactical' knife.

Stainz

 

[razorsdescent]

How's that?

Your the man babakanoosh45

 

[allenC]

Take a Little bit of Military...mix it with a Little bit of 710. Spyderhole here...axis lock there...full liners...a bit of g10...and BAM!

You have yourself a winner!

The 806!

Yep, the 806 is the best of both worlds.

However if it simply must be between the Military and the 710, I have to go with the Military.

Here's why (IMO, of course)....

The Military has the better handle.
It's very comfortable and rather large with nicely textured G-10, which affords a greater and more secure grip.
And because of the curves in the handle design the hand is less likely to slide up on the blade when stabbing.

The thumb-hole also works better than the stud IMO, especially the stud on the 710 (it's too close to the handle and is easy to pass over without opening the blade).

Having said that, it is a very close choice.
Either one will work if you practice enough.

Good luck,
Allen

 

[silenthunterstudios]

I just got a 710D2 again, and hope that I don't get rid of it like a fool. I've had the 154CM and D2 versions, a couple of the D2 ones. I'm on my third Military. Had a SE 440V, then a CE black S30V, now a satin PE S30V. Only got rid of the CE Military in favor of a PE Military. Looking for a BG42 CF Military to carry.

I got these while EDC'ing lg and sm reg Sebs. Other than the Sebs (micarta classics too), the only other folders I have kept are my Ritter Grips. The 710 and Millie are probably the best bang for the buck top of the line models that BM and Spyderco offer. I would wager any production company.

You can find used models out there that are well priced. I would look for both.

 

[pilote]

what i'm learning from this thread is that the best tactical knife is the one you think is the most kewl one can showoff to friends and family...if you really want to stick someone anything sharp will do...box cutters are cheap but not very kewl...

personally i prefer an icepick in s30v, especially since it has no holes a finger can get stuck into...

 

[J.Mattson]

Both the 710 and the Military are fantastic knives, a lot of good can be said about both and not much negative.

Both cost around the same.

Both have proven strong and reliable over years of use by hundreds of users.

Both have good steel.

Both carry well.

Both offer a lot of cutting performance relative to their weight.

Both have legendary locks.

If you can only get one your choice is going to come down to personal preference. In my mind the texturing of the G10 and ergonomics of the Military pull it in front.

 

[Josh K]

Exactly. :thumbup:

The Military is not built sturdy enough to be a fighting knife or a combat knife. There are much better folders on the market for that purpose, and tons of fixed blades.

I have to disagree with you there. How would you make it more "sturdy" ? If I was deployed I wouldn't want a knife for prying and zombie decapitations, I'd want one that operated most reliably, had the best ergos, was the easiest to use with gloves one, and had a blade shape conducive to whatever I was cutting.

 

[J.Mattson]

I have to disagree with you there. How would you make it more "sturdy" ? If I was deployed I wouldn't want a knife for prying and zombie decapitations, I'd want one that operated most reliably, had the best ergos, was the easiest to use with gloves one, and had a blade shape conducive to whatever I was cutting.

If I was deployed I’d want something that was easy to get gunk out of the lock, the Military probably has a leg up here.

 

[Ankerson]

I have to disagree with you there. How would you make it more "sturdy" ? If I was deployed I wouldn't want a knife for prying and zombie decapitations, I'd want one that operated most reliably, had the best ergos, was the easiest to use with gloves one, and had a blade shape conducive to whatever I was cutting.

Make it BIGGER, change the blade profile and thickness, bulk up the handle so it isn't so puny.

It's fine for an EDC opening letters, maybe a package or 2, cleaning fingernails, maybe cutting a sandwich in half if need be.

Very light field use at best.

With a name like the Military it should be A LOT better than it is, it's not anything close to what it should be in reality.

If you are in the field and that is the only tool you have you will be in trouble in short order.

But yeah for a pocket ornament to show off to friends, maybe slice some paper or shave some hair it's fine for that.

 

[Josh K]

Make it BIGGER, change the blade profile and thickness, bulk up the handle so it isn't so puny.

It's fine for an EDC opening letters, maybe a package or 2, cleaning fingernails, maybe cutting a sandwich in half if need be.

Very light field use at best.

With a name like the Military it should be A LOT better than it is, it's not anything close to what it should be in reality.

If you are in the field and that is the only tool you have you will be in trouble in short order.

But yeah for a pocket ornament to show off to friends, maybe slice some paper or shave some hair it's fine for that.

Batoning through bolts and hard wood is not indicative of field use.

 

[Herr_Noobien]

http://img.moonbuggy.org/sensors-indicate-noob/ If anyone can post this image for me id be quite grateful)

What hole are these people crawling out of?

The fine is for .....well fine tip work :jerkit: knives have pointy tips for things other than stabbing people. it seems to help alot of people out when working with wood.


A busse tank buster is a combat knife a gerber mark 2 is a fighting knife a spyderco military is not a combat knife or a fighting knife.

why not add a sturdier tip then? The guys at spyderco aren't idiots, fine tip work? Yes. It will work. Stabbing? Yes it will also work. The point I was making was making wasn't that the tip is "just for stabbing people". Perhaps I worded my post incorrectly. I admit, I haven't been in a knife fight (does that make me a mall ninja? Maybe), but I don't think you need a super tough knife like a Busse tank buster in a knife fight (unless you try to pry your way through people). A combat/fighting knife, ideally would be a fixed blade. However, I don't think the Military fail terribly as a folding fighting knife (if there is such a thing).

 

[Buffalohump]

Y'all are barking up the wrong tree.

CQC-8

 

[Ankerson]

Batoning through bolts and hard wood is not indicative of field use.

Batoning through wood is, and so is Prying things, both of which your really can't do with the Military.

When I was in the Military (82-86) we used our knives as tools, they were the do everything tool. And I still do today when in the field, I don't baby them at all.

It's just NOT a field knife as the name implies, it's not strong enough.

A folding field knife should be able to some things a fixed blade can do when one not available, the Military can't do them because it's just not really designed to do so. The blade profile and thickness tells us that alone.

Now get into knives like ZT, Strider and some others then yeah, they can if needed to. (A Buck 110 can handle most field tasks, but then who would say "hey man check out this really cool knife" to their buddies if they had a Buck 110 )

However no folding knife is as good as a High Quality Fixed Blade.

why not add a sturdier tip then? The guys at spyderco aren't idiots, fine tip work? Yes. It will work. Stabbing? Yes it will also work. The point I was making was making wasn't that the tip is "just for stabbing people". Perhaps I worded my post incorrectly. I admit, I haven't been in a knife fight (does that make me a mall ninja? Maybe), but I don't think you need a super tough knife like a Busse tank buster in a knife fight (unless you try to pry your way through people). A combat/fighting knife, ideally would be a fixed blade. However, I don't think the Military fail terribly as a folding fighting knife (if there is such a thing).

A Tank Buster would be a fine fighting, combat knife, but the Bigger ones like the FBM's are not made for that role, however they can be used for that if needed, a little too heavy and not balanced for fighting as they are made for chopping.

Ideally a Fighting Bowie with a 10" + blade would be what I would want in a fight like a CS Laredo or Natchez Bowie, they are purpose made fighting knives, there are others too from different makers.

The problem with the Military is they made it more of a stabbing weapon instead of a more all around field use knife and it's weaker and smaller than it really should be.

You really wouldn't use a Gerber Mark II as your main field knife as it's designed as a fighting knife only and won't hold up to hard field use at all.

 

[razorsdescent]

why not add a sturdier tip then? The guys at spyderco aren't idiots, fine tip work? Yes. It will work. Stabbing? Yes it will also work. The point I was making was making wasn't that the tip is "just for stabbing people". Perhaps I worded my post incorrectly. I admit, I haven't been in a knife fight (does that make me a mall ninja? Maybe), but I don't think you need a super tough knife like a Busse tank buster in a knife fight (unless you try to pry your way through people). A combat/fighting knife, ideally would be a fixed blade. However, I don't think the Military fail terribly as a folding fighting knife (if there is such a thing).

You sound a little more rational here so ill give you rational post in response. There really aren't true knife fights like in movies people pull whatever they got and try to kill the other person with it. If i was in a bar and a guy pulled a knife on me id use a chair or a pool cue long before id use a knife so that im far the f%^k away from that guys knife.

I carry a gun for SD a little khar CW9 loaded with hydrashocks if a guy pulled a knife on me id double tap ( i think the new politically correct term is controlled pair) him in the face. There's this aura that surrounds blades of all types that makes people think there is something supernatural about them like there are super martial arts attatched to them. i had a buddy i went to school with and shortly after he graduated he was waiting at a bus stop (i come from the dc area and there is alot of gang activity) my buddy was in a gang and was wearing colors there was a guy at this bus stop looking for someone and when he couldnt find the person he was looking for he grabbed my buddy by the shirt and stabbed him 32 times turned his insides into swiss cheese. The guy who had the knife was a 16 year old with a cheap made in china piece of crap and it did its job so to some degree yes you are right. But knives that are designed for what we have dubiously termed knife fighting are purpose built for the task.

I used to carry my emerson k-bit all the time for SD and it was purpose built for SD small and quick with a sharp curved edge capable of doing some real damage however full size fighting blades tend to be double edged with either dagger or modified bowie profiles.

Now id like to point out that a combat knife is different from a fighting knife. a combat knife can be used as a fighting knife and will usually incorporate a guard towards that end but they tend to have more utility driven designs as they are mainly used as tools to pry smash bash and of course cut.

Also sorry but you came off as a serious mall ninja.

So thats the meat of my disagreeing with you now on to the military as a fighting knife. Sure you could slice or stab someone with it but that doesn't make it ideal also it wouldn't get into the fight as quick as a waved emerson or a fixed blade. furthermore the thin blade could be shattered or broken with an ASP baton or pipe or chair leg or chain or baseball bat or another similar blunt object all of which as i mentioned earlier i would use before a knife as will most people who have been in a fight or two.


I really don't like discussing this whole knife fight thing here on general knife discussion this is more of a prac-tac thing and i also think its a bit silly and naive to think that talking about a subject like this on the internet will help make you a better knife fighter.

 

[Infi-del]

If you are in the field and that is the only tool you have you will be in trouble in short order.

If you're in the field and all you have is a folding knife of any caliber you've screwed up big time or your chain of command has written you off.

 

[Infi-del]

I carry a gun for SD a little khar CW9 loaded with hydrashocks

Good guns aren't they. I got a PM9 and love the little thing. Substantial little weapon. Far superior to the Kel-Tecs and Ruger pocket guns I've owned.

if a guy pulled a knife on me id double tap ( i think the new politically correct term is controlled pair) him in the face.

You might wanna check the political climate in your area on that one. Shooting someone in the face even in self defense never looks good for the shooter. Could be real easy for a DA to burn you regardless of if it was SD or not. Don't know the way things are in your area but even here in the south it would be tricky. Now a mag dump center mass, you're golden.

Plus I'm not sure how well a 9mm will penetrate a skull. I mean it's got the punch, but skulls being rounded do a great sjob of deflecting bullets. A baliff (Spelling) in Georgia about a year ago had her 38 taken from her and was shot in the skull from about 5 feet. And the bullet didn't penetrate cause it follwed the contour of her skull. Knocked her out cold. But it didn't do any permanent damage other than the trench it dug in her scalp.

 

[pilote]

You sound a little more rational here so ill give you rational post in response. There really aren't true knife fights like in movies people pull whatever they got and try to kill the other person with it. If i was in a bar and a guy pulled a knife on me id use a chair or a pool cue long before id use a knife so that im far the f%^k away from that guys knife.

I carry a gun for SD a little khar CW9 loaded with hydrashocks if a guy pulled a knife on me id double tap ( i think the new politically correct term is controlled pair) him in the face. There's this aura that surrounds blades of all types that makes people think there is something supernatural about them like there are super martial arts attatched to them. i had a buddy i went to school with and shortly after he graduated he was waiting at a bus stop (i come from the dc area and there is alot of gang activity) my buddy was in a gang and was wearing colors there was a guy at this bus stop looking for someone and when he couldnt find the person he was looking for he grabbed my buddy by the shirt and stabbed him 32 times turned his insides into swiss cheese. The guy who had the knife was a 16 year old with a cheap made in china piece of crap and it did its job so to some degree yes you are right. But knives that are designed for what we have dubiously termed knife fighting are purpose built for the task.

I used to carry my emerson k-bit all the time for SD and it was purpose built for SD small and quick with a sharp curved edge capable of doing some real damage however full size fighting blades tend to be double edged with either dagger or modified bowie profiles.

Now id like to point out that a combat knife is different from a fighting knife. a combat knife can be used as a fighting knife and will usually incorporate a guard towards that end but they tend to have more utility driven designs as they are mainly used as tools to pry smash bash and of course cut.

Also sorry but you came off as a serious mall ninja.

So thats the meat of my disagreeing with you now on to the military as a fighting knife. Sure you could slice or stab someone with it but that doesn't make it ideal also it wouldn't get into the fight as quick as a waved emerson or a fixed blade. furthermore the thin blade could be shattered or broken with an ASP baton or pipe or chair leg or chain or baseball bat or another similar blunt object all of which as i mentioned earlier i would use before a knife as will most people who have been in a fight or two.


I really don't like discussing this whole knife fight thing here on general knife discussion this is more of a prac-tac thing and i also think its a bit silly and naive to think that talking about a subject like this on the internet will help make you a better knife fighter.

exactly.

most of you have no idea...and you better prey that you never do.

 

[razorsdescent]

Good guns aren't they. I got a PM9 and love the little thing. Substantial little weapon. Far superior to the Kel-Tecs and Ruger pocket guns I've owned.



You might wanna check the political climate in your area on that one. Shooting someone in the face even in self defense never looks good for the shooter. Could be real easy for a DA to burn you regardless of if it was SD or not. Don't know the way things are in your area but even here in the south it would be tricky. Now a mag dump center mass, you're golden.

Plus I'm not sure how well a 9mm will penetrate a skull. I mean it's got the punch, but skulls being rounded do a great sjob of deflecting bullets. A baliff (Spelling) in Georgia about a year ago had her 38 taken from her and was shot in the skull from about 5 feet. And the bullet didn't penetrate cause it follwed the contour of her skull. Knocked her out cold. But it didn't do any permanent damage other than the trench it dug in her scalp.

Lovely little firearms. They have amazing workmanship, my gun has never jammed once. some day im gonna add 2 ruger lcps with crimson trace grips in my pockets.

Quite frankly i don't care if they penetrate the skull or not (dunno if your familiar with the magic triangle but i know it will penetrate there) if a guy gets hit in the face with two 9mm hydrashocks hes gonna back off. i could care less about killing the guy (id actually prefer that i never had to kill anyone) i just want him to not stab/shoot/harm me or my fiance/friends/family.

I was trained to use a double tap, im gonna put a double tap direct center of mass and if they look like they might have body armor on im gonna double tap them in the face. end of story. i will fight how i was trained and then deal with the consequences. I WILL TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR MY ACTIONS, and if a jury of my peers deems me a criminal i will go to jail and serve my time quietly until i am eligible for parole.

 

[walleyeguy7]

the military. blade is sharper, better slasher(/cutter in general...), a little less suited to piercing. i prefer s30v to d2, i prefer the spyderhole, i prefer liner locks to the axis. military's handle design is much, much better; military's g10 is much, much better. you can get the military in orange, digi camo, carbon fiber, blacked out etc etc.

p.s. dont listen to the bull. omega springs arent weak, you can use axis in gloves fine. good liner locks wont fail. its comes down to preference and brand loyalty.