Take Down Fighter Work In Progress

Josh,
Thanks a ton for putting so much effort into this WIP. Just want to say that for Newbs like this Josh it is a great learning experience that is extremely valuble to my growth as a knifemaker !

That mirror polish is awesome- I've been wondering for some time why more makers dont finish their blades like this prior to hand sanding. Couldn't you take it to 1200 grit on the disk, buff to mirror, then hand finish at the desired final finish?

Thanks again for doing this -Josh
 
Josh, this finished damascus blade as with others I have seen including your ABS raffle Searles Bowie have an outstanding almost mirror finish contrasting effect in the pattern.
I always assumed you accomplished this by just polishing the finished damacus blade?
But now I wonder if your mirror polishing prior to etch also help to achieve this effect?

By the way, glad you didn't share the photos of the mirror polished blade with me. As I may have asked you to skip the etching process and I may have missed out on an outstanding damascus pattern. ;):D:)
 
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Josh,
What is your experience with hot cutting and folding, instead of cooling, cutting and restacking? I would imagine that could save you time. I would think that with all your first-class equipment, this could occur easily.
 
Josh,
What is your experience with hot cutting and folding, instead of cooling, cutting and restacking? I would imagine that could save you time. I would think that with all your first-class equipment, this could occur easily.

I am not Josh but from my own experience when doing a w's pattern you etch the ends and then line them up so your pattern is better. so i don't think he would get the precision in the steel that he does if he hot cut and folded. at least not with w's.
 
Josh,

I cannot believe that you actually felt the need to apologize, I for one am grateful that you took the time to put this thread together :thumbup::)

I really enjoy these WIP threads and learn a lot from them which helps me appreciate knife collecting in a better way.
 
Just a great thread in general, a question though- I notice that it was forged to shape but the edge wasnt pulled down etc... Was this just to maintain the integrity of the pattern??
 
This has been a tremendous look for me. I have owned two little giant hammers and never wanted to forge. Both hammers I sold bought them low and sold them high. I traded a knife for a 100 lb little giant and now after seeing this wish I had kept it. This is the most interesting post I have seen. Hope to see more and think you have done a great service doing this.
Percy
 
As before this is totally awesome. A look at a master no doubt. Thank you so much for this thread. I have thought about going to some hammer ins but didn't think I would really like it. You have changed my whole outlook on this. Thanks again
Percy
 
Every great maker has blades that don't come out right only the really great ones tell ya about it. If ya ever chose to sell that bad one :D please let me know I will put it to some great use ..
 
I can't imagine any craft where every attempt comes out right the first time. Stuff happens, everyone understands that. The trick, I think, is trying hard not to make the same mistakes over and over. Perhaps you learned that when you get a different batch of steel, or change vendors, you should polish up a tiny piece and etch it before you make a blade with it.
 
THE BEST thread I've read here! Thank you so much for the tutorial Josh! This should bee a sticky on what a maker goes thru to get a stack of sttel to a finished knife. Then maybe more people will understand the reason for the price.

Great work, great thread and again, Thanks!
 
WOW I'm so glad I found this thread as its amazing and i think somebody owes me a new keyboard now from drooling! Absolutely great work Mr. Smith and I'm now starting a "i need a smith knife" fund. This really does a great job of showing the true work of an artist and I never quite appreciated how much went into a knife like that. Thank you!
 
I just want to respond to all the amazing compliments above. I really do appreciate it. It has been my pleasure.

I am busy preparing for the knife show and bladesmithing conference that I host here in about 10 days so I have been poor about regular updating. I'll do my best to keep them coming in a timely manner. Thanks again,
 
Now that the blade is completely finished it is now time for me to fit a guard and start building the handle. The fittings on this knife will be made from steel that is from the same billet as the blade.

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First I have to file the shoulders on the blade perfectly square. Most people do this while the blade is soft before heat treat. Like Tim Hancock I do not. I want shoulders that are fresh and crisp. If you do it before heat treat you will round those off ever so slightly while you are hand finishing, buffing, and etching the blade. In order to file these though you must heat the area of the tang and shoulders to bring the temper down. This way they can be filed. You must be careful to not let the heat travel out into the blade and cutting edge.

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I then use post-it notes to protect the blade from scratching during filing. The great thing about post-its compared to tape is that they will not compress or deform in clamping thus that giving you square shoulders.

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Here I have clamped on a filing jig that will assure me a square cut. I went through three sets before I found one that would file accurately. They are a pain to open but there is NO play in them. They have a hardened face so the file will not touch them.

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Squared up.

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Then I surface ground a piece of Damascus to .187 which is the same thickness of the blade. Once this was surface ground I scribed a center line and then drilled some holes in the guard. I am going to mill the slot with my milling machine but the drilled holes just make the milling go easier. I am no machinist and plan on learning more as I can.

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Now I clamp the guard up in my mill and cut the slot.

This is where the surface grinding comes into play from early on in the process. Remember when I said that if I plan on a .187 blade I will surface grind to around .200-.210. The reason for this is that as I work on that blade such as sanding and etching it I look a little bit of thickness. Maybe .010. So now that blade is .190-.200. The guard that I want to make has to be very tight. If I am to use a .187 milling bit that will make the guard hole undersize by about .010. In this case I can now drive my guard down into place. After driving the guard on and off about three times it will actually form to the shape of the blade leaving a perfect fit. I always plan my blade thickness and guard early so I can mill my guards using a specific diameter mill bit. This way I don't have to file my guards.

Some of this is hard to explain but I will try. The other thing I do, as does Tim, is I always mill my guards leaving shoulder inside. So if the face of the guard has a slot that is .187 then the hole in the back will be .207. This will leave .010 on each side of the blade. This shoulder is usually about .040 thick. That way when you are driving the guard down you are only asking .040 to form to the blade, not all .187.

This next picture will show you the shoulder inside.

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Back of the guard, handle side, and you can see the shoulder down inside.

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Face of guard.

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Ready to drive. I always taper my tang ever so slightly from the shoulders on back. This allows you to slide the guard up close with out needing the drive the entire length.
 
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Here is my guard driver. The holes in the side are for tangs that have a lot of curve, or handle drop.

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Driving the guard down. Now I just drive it on and off until it will drive down relatively easy. Each time I take the guard off I disc off the dimples it leaves in the face of the guard. Once it drives on and leaves no more dimples you are there.

Now it is time to layout the profile of the guard.
 
Josh,
Thanks a ton for putting so much effort into this WIP. Just want to say that for Newbs like this Josh it is a great learning experience that is extremely valuble to my growth as a knifemaker !

That mirror polish is awesome- I've been wondering for some time why more makers dont finish their blades like this prior to hand sanding. Couldn't you take it to 1200 grit on the disk, buff to mirror, then hand finish at the desired final finish?

Thanks again for doing this -Josh

I really don't think so Josh. I have gotten quite good with a disc grinder and still don't see any way to get the kind of finish I want with out starting at about 320 grit or at leat 400 grit sand paper and going by hand from there. Maybe some guys can but I'd have to see it to believe it. To me there no replacement for the elbow grease in hand sanding a flat grind. I know it's a different case for the hollow grinders but from what I understand the best finishes in hollow grinding even do a little hand finishing. Thanks for the question.
 
Josh, this finished damascus blade as with others I have seen including your ABS raffle Searles Bowie have an outstanding almost mirror finish contrasting effect in the pattern.
I always assumed you accomplished this by just polishing the finished damacus blade?
But now I wonder if your mirror polishing prior to etch also help to achieve this effect?

By the way, glad you didn't share the photos of the mirror polished blade with me. As I may have asked you to skip the etching process and I may have missed out on an outstanding damascus pattern. ;):D:)

Kevin. The polished has to come before etching. Any scratches, especially deep ones just stand out after etching. I know a lot of guys go to 600 grit and etch. After etch they'll run over it with 1200. This definetly works but for the 10 minutes it takes to do that final 1200 for me it's worth it.

If forgot to mention in the etching that I etch about 10 minutes then pull it out and clean it thouroghly including a 2000 grit rub down. I'll repeat this until I have the desire depth of etch. This cleaning just makes for a crisp etch.
 
Josh,
What is your experience with hot cutting and folding, instead of cooling, cutting and restacking? I would imagine that could save you time. I would think that with all your first-class equipment, this could occur easily.

This works for some guys but for me I want the visual confirmation that I have ground all scale and potential surface flaws out before I fold it over or restack. For me I'd rather cut in 5 really clean pieces once that fold questionable steel over multiple times. Again this is how I do it. The guys that hot cut and fold have likely found success in the way they do it and eliminated the potential problems. My way is by no means the only way.
 
This is a great WIP Josh. I appreciate the work that you are going to to do this. I also think it is great that your daughters can come to your work :). I also appreciate the art work on the cabinet.

I have a few questions if you don't mind. It appears that you dry welded the second billet but not the first. Is there a reason?

How far apart are the peaks on your ladder dies.

After the initial welded billet and you turned the billet on its side, how many layers did you go.

Sorry for all the questions, but threads like these really get my mind going.

Thanks again
Brian

Sorry I didn't get you an answer before now. Good observation. I did dry weld the second. Really no great reason. At this point in the billet dry or wet probably doesn't matter that much. I tend to do both. After grinding, if the billet fits together fairly nicely I will dry weld it. I do a lot of dry welding on more complicated mosaics. Once nice thing about dry welding is that you don't have the mess in your forge. I now Owen Wood does nothing but dry welding. I'm sure he'll talk about that more at my hammer in next week. You should come! :D

After I turned the billet on edge I drew it out and cut it into stacks of 5 twice. That would give me 25 layers in that direction. Is that clear?
 
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