Talonite Good, Bad or Ugly?

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Originally posted by Gator97:
Originally posted by Joe Talmadge:
loses its razor-edge quickly, but keeps a mediocre edge forever[/QUOTE
I was curios about that too. From what I see, even the term "medicore edge" has an extremally broad definition. Starting from "shaving sharp" to anything that still has the edge...

I would say the mediocre edge it holds forever is far from what I would really call mediocre. It cuts very well even though it doesn't feel, by touching it, sharp. It sure acts sharp, and cuts better than some, or even better, than most factory edges.
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Tom (Walz),

I've been away awhile... Sturgis MC Rally and other nefarious pursuits. Now, just more stuff around the house. I come back to BFC and peek in this thread and darned if my belly isn't hurting now!

You sure you work as a scientist-engineer and aren't really a member of some diplomatic corps? Actually I loved your delivery, including some of the tongue and cheek stuff. It provided some respite from my aching back (been rebuilding a porch that extends from a second story without any ground support (uses 10 2x10s that extend from the house itself), Being redundent, no backache... now just my stomach and ribs from LMAO!!!

Well done! I'll take a few of those buttons too!

All the best!


To those who want to understand the "why's" of Talonite's razor edge followed by a very long lasting cutting edge... I haven't a clue. Like Tom said... it just works like that even if it ain't supposed to!


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Originally posted by Joe Talmadge:
...The talonite rep seems to be: loses its razor-edge quickly, but keeps a mediocre edge forever. My question is, does anyone have any theory as to the physical mechanism that causes this behavior?
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Joe, that was the impression I had, too, until I bought a Talon. It held a razor edge as long as my best other knives (M2, which seems to me to be equivalent to my D2 knife) when cutting cardboard. So, seems to me the razor edge lasts a long time. Long enough for me.And I mean shaving razor edge.

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well, no more one liners for a while... talonite takes an excellent edge...but NOT NEARLY as good as 440V, 420V etc. D2 has always been considered a steel that takes a mediocre edge and holds if for a long time. When a knifemaker says a steel takes a mediocre edge....HE IS OF COURSE REFERING TO THE BEST STEELS AVAILABLE. Only a (fill in the blank) knifemaker would use something he finds at the dump to make a knife out of..Rob and Neil and I (and quite a few others) use talonite because of its EXCELLENT properties.....in spite of its expense...and are totally convinced of its benefits (I have over 2k worth of the stuff at present) Mediocre edge is relative to 440V/420V/52100, and a few others. It holds an edge much better than ATS-34 IMHO but is not nearly as tough (check out my new model TNT pic I posted on the customs forum- a true back stabber!!!!!!!)

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Mr.Mayo discribe the edge any way you like. That is fine with me. But really this is how I would classify edges.
Dull, poor, mediocre, good, and great. I would have to put the Talonite edge it holds forever in the good class. Before I tried talonite I had thought most people were discribing poor or great depending on who it was. Now I know.
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Just getting on the HOTTEST Thread going!! MAN, talk about trying to make a point!! (pun intended).



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So there I was, mindin' my own bidness... and I found Allen Blade's Talonite Tadpole (easy on the wallet and what great grinds and kydex work!)... a knife that you don't have to resharpen in the middle of a gig... cuts tires and tomatoes with equal ease... and then Tom Mayo and his Talonite aNd Titanium (this guy is a craftsman!) and now I am hooked on Talonite. It is something you have to try for yourself. You will never be sorry!
 
I think this talonite stuff must be similar to the matter at the center of a black hole. This thread has gathered enough mass that it is starting to pull in strays who have nothing to say. Pretty soon, no one will be able to escape the tremendous gravitational pull of this thread. Everyone will want to post in it. And no one will ever escape.

First, it will consume every byte of space inside the BFC server. Then it will host itself on servers throughout the world. The Talonite thread will mate with the Melissa virus, spawning a new batch of incipient Talonitic threads. Soon, there will nothing in the World Wide Web but The Talonite Thread, expressed graphically, it will look like this:

(WWW-------->TTT--------->ØØØ)

After consuming the entire planet Earth and the rest of our solar system, including the sun, the thread will mutate and start to drift through space, never really getting anywhere, but gathering momentum all the time. It will suck in entire star systems, then galaxies, consuming everything in its voracious path.

The net entropy of the universe will start to reach its maximum. And then, time and the Universe as we know it will End.

Paracelsus, waiting, hoping, and praying for the Big Bang that will blow this thread to smithereens
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Question for Fish:

How does it feel getting all these email notifications regarding this thread?

Getting tired of 'em yet?

Also, another question.

Does talonite make for a good knie? Heheheheh

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Tom Mayo--

I had thought I'd seen everything of value anyone had to say on this subject, but really enjoyed your last post. You also provided some very informative comparative analysis on the Talonite thread in Knife Forums a while back. Thanks for those comparisons; I think they serve to truly clarify things, at least for me, given your substantial background in these materials.

Paracelsus, I think you're grossly mistaken. This thread is clearly drawing to a close. That said, can you tell me if you have formed any opinions on performance issues of Talonite vs. Mad Dog knives?

Anyone?

--Will
 
Originally posted by WILL YORK:
That said, can you tell me if you have formed any opinions on performance issues of Talonite vs. Mad Dog knives?
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So Will,

Are you planning to post that question over at Tactical Forums, too?

Now THAT would make for an entertaining thread!
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Glen
 
Originally posted by WILL YORK:
That said, can you tell me if you have formed any opinions on performance issues of Talonite vs. Mad Dog knives?
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So Will,

Are you planning to post that question over at Tactical Forums, too?

Now THAT would make for an entertaining thread!
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Glen
 
Glen--

Nah--what fun would that be? We'd have to start from scratch. I'm betting we can push this thread to 500 posts with a little more thoughtful debate.

I'm delighted to have the chance to answer your question though--serves all you guys right to have to come back to this page just because there's a new post--seems I've been doing that ad nauseum for years now.

--Will
 
Greg, I did not check the box for email notification! But, I think this stuff (Talonite) is a conspiracy... but I have vowed to stay with Talonite over steel, keeps an edge (great for a lazy administator like me) and does not stain... But, don't tell anyone, as it is expensive and according to charts and tables is not supposed to work well for knives, too soft or some rot like that....
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Originally posted by tom mayo:
well, no more one liners for a while... talonite takes an excellent edge...but NOT NEARLY as good as 440V, 420V etc. D2 has always been considered a steel that takes a mediocre edge and holds if for a long time. When a knifemaker says a steel takes a mediocre edge....HE IS OF COURSE REFERING TO THE BEST STEELS AVAILABLE. Only a (fill in the blank) knifemaker would use something he finds at the dump to make a knife out of..Rob and Neil and I (and quite a few others) use talonite because of its EXCELLENT properties.....in spite of its expense...and are totally convinced of its benefits (I have over 2k worth of the stuff at present) Mediocre edge is relative to 440V/420V/52100, and a few others. It holds an edge much better than ATS-34 IMHO but is not nearly as tough (check out my new model TNT pic I posted on the customs forum- a true back stabber!!!!!!!)
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Hmmmmm... I must not know how to sharpen stuff right, or something. Not to totally disagree, but.... the D2 knife that I have takes a better edge than the 440V, and of course holds it longer. The Talonite takes about the same as the D2. I can't get ATS-34 too good. In any case, the Talonite gets that KEEN edge that I like, similar to the only high carbon/low chromium steel that I have. I like it... a LOT.

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well all my testers got my 440V knives to go thru 3 to 4 (thats 3 to 4) times as many animals more than the D2 knives I ve made for them (all knives heat treated by Paul Bos)...so thats where I get my comparison. ALSO- When Knives Illustrated did the original articles on 440V a few years back (both by Phil Wilson) their chart in the first article listed number of animals field dressed by steel type and 440V was DOUBLE the number of D2. Dont get me wrong...D2 is an excellent steel, but dispite the relatively high chromium content it stains and rusts fairly easily and IMHO does NOT compare with the CPM steels in edge holding ability.....these are not some highly controversial cut the cardboard box and rope tests done by me cause I dont have anything to do, or because I want to prove a point...they are real live tests in the real live world done by guys who know what they are doing and do it well.
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[This message has been edited by tom mayo (edited 08-21-2000).]
 
Rob, I thought we had lost you to the fires. Hope all is well up there.

Just a gentle note of caution here. When comparing a single knife in one material with a single knife in another material, especially if they are from different makers, you can't possibly make many judgements about the materials, since the knives themselves are huge variables. Blade shape, edge shape, angles, grinds, etc. are more likely to influence your experience than the steel or non-steel.

I know this notion gets flamed everytime it's mentioned, but we knifemakers do have some advantage here by being able to evaluate many knives in each material, all having very similar design and construction qualities (ours), from which we can draw conclusions. Since we usually get our feedback from a variety of users having themselves a variety of skills, we can gain a sense of what are the variables and how they reflect on our work. Many of us are also lucky to have a few customers with a several of our knives, so we can see the variables, both inclusive and exclusive of user variances. And since most of us maintain a pretty cordial relationship with our customers we are usually made quite aware of any performance qualties in any of these variables that are not passing muster.

That said, I stand ready with my extinguisher in hand.
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