Tate Vermeulen unhonest person - he didn't replied Hati S30V carbon and didn't pay

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Hello everyone,

I'm new here, but not new on ebay. The situation with Tate Vermeulen is already was mentioned on this bladeforum with unrefunding of 725$ described here and it repeated again. I'll describe the situation and you'll deside then what was wrong or ..

Tate Vermeulen has ask me on ebay contact regarding selling him Shirogorov knife behind of ebay - he's offered direct payment through paypal. I was agreed, we've agreed the amount including shipping cost from Russia to US by express Fedex. I've sent him Hati carbon very fast after payment (I have tracking number if someone need it), but when he's got it he replied the was wrong blade - S30V instead of M390 discussed and proposed to send me again his knife ordered with correct blade M390 and when he get it, then he'll send me back my Hati S30V carbon. I've sent him Hati M390 carbon by Fedex again (track.N is included without payment). He has confirmed getting both knives and after that he didn't replied to me at all - no returned knife, no money for Hati S30V carbon. I have all emails between us and can upload here if necessary. He only confirmed to me that he sent mine knife to my US location in California by first class without tracking number. I haven't still received the knife. Some of customer has paid for Hati S30V carbon to me through ebay and ask me send this knife to him as soon as possible. I've asked again Tate regarding mine knife (I was sure that Tate is honest, but it's untrue). I should cancel the order on ebay after that. I've loose my money with Tate and could not satisfied another customer, who paid for Hati S30V carbon through ebay. He was disappointed.

Please read this and if possible to help me please with this matter. For customers who are looking for deals with Tate I strongly don't recommend to work with Tate. His email is tatevermeulen@gmail.com
 
Sent member Tatev (Tate Vermeulen) a visitor message to respond to this thread.
 
"He only confirmed to me that he sent mine knife to my US location in California by first class without tracking number"

If this is true, Tate Vermeulen, you better do the right thing, & pay Dynabrade for BOTH knives.

Dynabrade- After reading Feedback for BM Member "Tatev", I believe that what you have stated here is true. Best of luck, Comrade! I can't wait to read what excuse, Tatev gives. for keeping both knives...but after reading the thread regarding another questionable transaction here on BF, this ought to be another good one!

BF FEEDBACK FOR "Tatev": http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/itrader.php?u=340929

HERE IS ANOTHER GBU THREAD REGARDING, "Tatev" over another shady transaction (only 4 months ago). Read this thread, & I think most members will agree, that this dishonest BF member, is a real piece of work:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...niper-Bladeworks-DMF?highlight=Tate+Vermeulen
 
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Dynabrade , they are good sanders .Any how , I hope if this is true about Tate he empowers himself to make it right. I learned there are always 2 sides to every story.
So I hope he comes along to tell his.

James
 
You guys are all going to feel like idiots when that knife shows up in the mail. I can't believe how much crap you guys will say about people online and who you don't even know in real life.
That thread posted on here a few months back still irritates me... That guy bought my knife for a great price, took it for a test drive and decided he didn't like it so he sent it back without even asking me about it. I did pay him his refund but I took a week or two to do it because I didn't have the money immediately. That guy was one of the biggest a-holes I have ever talked with which is apparent from his posts on that old thread. No one would believe the stuff this guy would say to me in these harassing and threatening emails. He said all kinds of ridiculous things about me on this forum with no consequence just like people on this thread are going to do. I was threatened to be kicked off of the forum even tho I did agree to pay that guy and did in the end.
Along comes this guy from Russia who screwed up and sent me the wrong knife and didn't want me to send it back to him there in Russia because of customs issues. He gave me an address in CA and I sent it out via first class mail which does not have a tracking number and I don't know whether it has arrived at the destination or not. Now he is saying it hasn't and what do you know but I am once again receiving threats via email and being slandered on this forum.
I don't owe anyone anything and I'm not going to defend myself on this forum any longer.
Anyone who reads threads like this on the internet is a gossip loving drama queen who wants to be in everyone elses business. I am not interested in supporting or participating in that type of behavior.
 
I'll add my two cents.....I've dealt with Tate through one sale(him to me) and numerous email conversations. My take away is he is a stand-up guy who tells it like it it.....I've had zero issues. Tate has even gone out of his way to find knives he knows I'm interested in.....that isn't the mark of a dishonest person. I don't know the guy from Russia but I do know Tate.......I'll back Tate any time, any place!!
 
Tate, getting defensive doesn't help anyone, least of all yourself. Just tell your side of the story. That's what most people were waiting for.

This is not drama class. Sure, some members get all wound up. But the most important reason people participate on FEEDBACK is to learn how to avoid problems.
 
Tate ,

thanks I have no concerns. I would do business with you. Whether you care about my opinion here or not. taking a knife for a test spin and then having buyers remorse really is a $%#$%%^ thing to do. I have had it done to me. 17 day test spin. The guy had flipped 3 of the exact same knife prior to buying mine. The bubble burst and what do you know. Christmas knife inflation can be a butt burner., I didn't have the money to pay back immediately either. So now I don't spend it til its really mine. Feedback.

OP it will have to be word against word. Evidence is , you screwed up. You admitted that much. I hope it shows up! In CA.

Good luck all

James
 
KELAMA said:
"He only confirmed to me that he sent mine knife to my US location in California by first class without tracking number"
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If this is true, Tate Vermeulen, you better do the right thing, & pay Dynabrade for BOTH knives.
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What if it isn't true?

Dynabrade- After reading Feedback for BM Member "Tatev", I believe that what you have stated here is true. Best of luck, Comrade! I can't wait to read what excuse, Tatev gives. for keeping both knives...but after reading the thread regarding another questionable transaction here on BF, this ought to be another good one!

BF FEEDBACK FOR "Tatev": http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/itrader.php?u=340929
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Interesting feedback you linked to. 1 current negative -- which should never have been given because this case is still pending. Another we don't know the details. And a LOT of highly positive. You sure his feedback makes him out to be the bad guy? I think you jumped him way too soon.

HERE IS ANOTHER GBU THREAD REGARDING, "Tatev" over another shady transaction (only 4 months ago). Read this thread, & I think most members will agree, that this dishonest BF member, is a real piece of work:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...niper-Bladeworks-DMF?highlight=Tate+Vermeulen
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This is the only case where Tate could have saved everyone a lot of trouble by expediting the refund.
 
I have no real dog in this fight, but I think the following bears need of mentioning:

Any time anybody ships anything, the onus is on them to see that the receiver receives it. The postal service is FAR from infallible, and things can and will happen, especially if travelling internationally.

This is why, if you don't want the responsibility of the shipping company's screw ups, you should package the item as bullet proof as possible, and pay the extra couple of bucks for tracking AND insurance.

Now, that said, if it was my mistake that a wrong knife was shipped soley through fault of my own, I would pay for the return shipping label, tracking and insurance included, and even go so far as to give instructions on the type of packaging I thought was appropriate.

I think that for a $700+, the extra $5 or $10 is worth it. If anything, it's a lot cheaper than being short of a knife because the USPS, FedEx, or whoever lost it.
 
knife to a gunfight said:
I have no real dog in this fight, but I think the following bears need of mentioning:

Any time anybody ships anything, the onus is on them to see that the receiver receives it. The postal service is FAR from infallible, and things can and will happen, especially if travelling internationally.

This is why, if you don't want the responsibility of the shipping company's screw ups, you should package the item as bullet proof as possible, and pay the extra couple of bucks for tracking AND insurance.

Now, that said, if it was my mistake that a wrong knife was shipped soley through fault of my own, I would pay for the return shipping label, tracking and insurance included, and even go so far as to give instructions on the type of packaging I thought was appropriate.

I think that for a $700+, the extra $5 or $10 is worth it. If anything, it's a lot cheaper than being short of a knife because the USPS, FedEx, or whoever lost it.
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Agreed.

It would help if Tate could confirm the date on which the knife was sent back and whether any additional services were included (insurance, signature confirmation, etc). I only ship priority so I'm not sure what you can get with first class without tracking.
 
knife to a gunfight,

"Now, that said, if it was my mistake that a wrong knife was shipped soley through fault of my own, I would pay for the return shipping label, tracking and insurance included, and even go so far as to give instructions on the type of packaging I thought was appropriate."

that is a very good point. I had to get a little more specific as to which point. My responsibility. do unto others starts with me.

I as the seller wouldn't assume , the buyer has the same interest as me. They may be a bit buggered by the whole thing. My mistake I pay. We have to learn these things somehow though. Either thru education or consequence because lack of .

Dynabrade, I am an optimist , . I think the knife will show up . All you can do is try and be one too. If you need mental relief from this situation. I wish for you that much.
 
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Esav Benyamin said:
Interesting feedback you linked to. 1 current negative -- which should never have been given because this case is still pending. Another we don't know the details. And a LOT of highly positive. You sure his feedback makes him out to be the bad guy? I think you jumped him way too soon.
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Is it even allowed through BF policy to give feedback on transactions that were not facilitated here? I know a lot of people do Feedback threads, but using the Exchange's feedback system for deals they made on Ebay??

As for the multiple accounts of bad behavior, is it likely that one person has been the target of false accusations twice when so many people make hundreds of deals and never incur bad feedback? I don't think you can really look at negative and positive feedback as equal; Ebay considers 1 negative feedback out of 20 to be terrible. Tate did own up to the chip on the handle and poor pivot screw on the firs deal (and wanted to put the burden of sending off to the manufacturer for a new one), I don't know why he still keeps blaming the guy that left bad feedback for test driving his knife. The guy got a knife that had multiple defects that were not advertised, the fact that Tate still thinks he innocent is enough to warrant caution in future dealings.
 
We do appreciate participation, just be sure enough facts have been presented first, and both sides have had a chance to discuss it.

Dynabrade may have posted in iTrader too soon. This transaction isn't over yet, if tatev did ship to California.

iTrader feedback for an eBay transaction would be hard to do -- we need a Bladeforums Exchange thread URL for that.
 
Kelama ,

I will let you judge you. I will just say I know the feeling.

I wouldn't say your opinion doesn't matter on this particular forum since you have no dog in the fight. Your apart of this community. What the Mods have said we are after is resolution . Outside opinions can and do aid in that. So don't think you need to just be quiet from now on. I know I have learned a very valuable lesson myself. We all are foul able. Our emotions can either knock us off our game or keep us centered.
 
The true that I was ready to pay for shipping wrong knife to US location. It's not so cheap thing to send it by first class without any tracking number and shipping confirmation and Tate even didn't replied to my any emails afterwards - I need slip as a confirmation that the knife Hati S30V carbon was sent. No chance to get in touch. This it first moment with this sutiation, that's why I've posted this issue here and of course my customer on ebay was unsatisfied, who has bought Hati S30V carbon (item on ebay 111266349018) after more then 1.5 weeks of shipping knife by Tate to California 90503. Anyhow I have all emails between me and Tate, both Fedex tracking numbers of shipped knifes and have no any feedback from Tate regarding his shipment. I'm still want to get Hati S30V carbon back or get money for this.
For sure if we realize any agreement then we'll close this issue. I wasn't doubt that something could be wrong and I was sure that Post in USA can't deliver even by first class so long. If I get the money from Tate (I've sent him invoice in paypal) and the knife will arrive to my destination, then I'll make refund! This is my confirmation! Thank's for looking and trying help in this situation.
 
Dyna did right his initial wrong by sending Tate the correct knife despite Tate already having the other one on hand. Assuming Tate did as he said, meaning shipping the knife to the given US address there should be no conflict--provided that Tate had used tracking to prove he did as such. Being that Tate did not, he's the one that needs to make some ground at the moment. Dyna gave Tate the benefit of the doubt that Tate would not hold onto 2 knives by sending him the appropriate knife. Tate now should give Dyna the benefit of the doubt in sending Dyna the appropriate cost for the second knife. At the moment there is a lot of reliance on the integrity of individuals and the honesty in their claims. If people can just take simply precautions, documentation, and maybe even expend a little money issues like this wouldn't happen.
 
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