Tate Vermeulen unhonest person - he didn't replied Hati S30V carbon and didn't pay

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We all do mistakes sometimes.. Ban both accounts is not a real what I expect. Let's know people who fmiliar with Tate deside.
 
I do have to say that expecting moderators here to fix an issue that happened off ebay is BS. This transaction did not even occur on this forum. Even if it did, they are not the police. Nothing wrong with brining an issue to light so members know about dealings - that is fine. But, you should not expect it to be "fixed" for you here.
With that being said - where is Tate? It really would be proper for him to speak to this.
 
Had the OP originally sent the correct knife, this entire thread would have never been necessary. Regardless of whatever happened, we are not going to be policing eBay deals, as they don't pay us or sponsor the forums. From what I've read, there were several mistakes made by both parties, starting with the OP sending out the wrong item, and then making some effort to correct it by complicating matters even more. Now the OP wants us to babysit the mistakes he made? Come on dynabrade, be reasonable here.
 
While I agree the seller made some mistakes (shipping the incorrect knife, shipping the correct knife before the incorrect was returned, listing the incorrect knife for sale before receiving it back), those are mistakes. IF in fact Tate never sent the incorrect knife back to the seller and instead sold it on BF and pocketed the money, that's theft. Big difference.

Dynabrade, do yourself a favor and don't attack BF or the moderators. BF cannot force Tate to send the knife or money back to you. IF in fact Tate used the BF exchange to sell stolen property, then there may be other repurcussions. But that is still an IF. The community is willing to listen to all sides and do what it can. But you won't garner much sympathy if you keep attacking BF or the moderators.
 
Let's all stop making assumptions with the "what if" scenarios. It's not helping really, and the only thing it is doing is winding up the OP more.
 
JCP1969 said:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1152755-Shirogorov-Mod-95-Hati
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/itrader.php?u=283299
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Nice find JCP. A Mod should contact Karambit and get an update on the status of the knife.

OP could have done a lot of things differently, and by going behind the back of Ebay it compromised most if not all of his protection. It's not a Bladeforums deal, so that certainly limits the liability of this site (not monetarily or legal liability, but liability from a reputation, facilitation and moderation standpoint).

However, Tatev is committing a crime and ripping another member off - even if it wasn't on this forum, the right thing to do is to support the OP in his efforts to get a refund IMO. Despite all of his mistakes, he made good on his end to the buyer, and the final act of the buyer was to steal a knife. It's clear who is in the wrong in this instance, and nothing the OP did justifies Tatev keeping the knife. Bladeforums was also the scene of the fencing of OP's property when Tatev sold the knife to http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/member.php/283299-Karambit. It is ludicrous to suggest that OP and Tatev should be banned on equal grounds when the evidence shows Tatev to be a thief and OP to be a dealer that offered fairly good customer service.

The moderators are powerless as far as issuing a refund or intervening on behalf of OP (OP should have refrained from insinuating that the moderators were facilitating a crime because really there is nothing they can do to influence Tatev outside of the influence associated with limiting access to this site), but they do have the power to ban Tatev and make sure that he cannot steal anyone else's knives, or fence property he stole elsewhere on Bladeforums (that introduces a real liability to members that purchase the stolen goods). I would like to see Bladeforums issue a notice to Tatev that if he doesn't offer some evidence of getting even with OP that he will be banned from buying and selling on the exchange. I think that also banning the OP or allowing Tatev to continue to participate in the exchange here just empowers him and other scammers that will work to influence trades in a way that limits their exposure to any kind of action from Bladeforums (i.e. Paypal gift, skirting the rules, scouting items on the exchange but arranging purchase through private communication, using the exchange to fence items that were scammed from other sources, etc.) and insisting that members make exception to the guidelines and stickies. Any member that scams another member or commits a criminal act dealing with online commerce shouldn't be allowed to continue to deal with the rest of the members on the exchange, no matter where the scam took place. There is a decent value associated with the privelege of making purchases/sales/trades on the BF exchange for knife enthusiasts, and the threat of losing that privelege is enough to persuade some dirty birds to fly straight.
 
This thread has a lot of people dragging the thread out and irritating both parties to the dispute. Not helping us get the job done. Tate has been asked to speak up about what he's done to correct his end of the situation. Until we hear from him, I am closing this thread.
 
A Justice said:
OP could have done a lot of things differently, and by going behind the back of Ebay it compromised most if not all of his protection. It's not a Bladeforums deal, so that certainly limits the liability of this site (not monetarily or legal liability, but liability from a reputation, facilitation and moderation standpoint).

However, Tatev is committing a crime and ripping another member off - even if it wasn't on this forum, the right thing to do is to support the OP in his efforts to get a refund IMO. Despite all of his mistakes, he made good on his end to the buyer, and the final act of the buyer was to steal a knife. It's clear who is in the wrong in this instance, and nothing the OP did justifies Tatev keeping the knife. Bladeforums was also the scene of the fencing of OP's property when Tatev sold the knife to http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/member.php/283299-Karambit. It is ludicrous to suggest that OP and Tatev should be banned on equal grounds when the evidence shows Tatev to be a thief and OP to be a dealer that offered fairly good customer service.

The moderators are powerless as far as issuing a refund or intervening on behalf of OP (OP should have refrained from insinuating that the moderators were facilitating a crime because really there is nothing they can do to influence Tatev outside of the influence associated with limiting access to this site), but they do have the power to ban Tatev and make sure that he cannot steal anyone else's knives, or fence property he stole elsewhere on Bladeforums (that introduces a real liability to members that purchase the stolen goods). I would like to see Bladeforums issue a notice to Tatev that if he doesn't offer some evidence of getting even with OP that he will be banned from buying and selling on the exchange. I think that also banning the OP or allowing Tatev to continue to participate in the exchange here just empowers him and other scammers that will work to influence trades in a way that limits their exposure to any kind of action from Bladeforums (i.e. Paypal gift, skirting the rules, scouting items on the exchange but arranging purchase through private communication, using the exchange to fence items that were scammed from other sources, etc.) and insisting that members make exception to the guidelines and stickies. Any member that scams another member or commits a criminal act dealing with online commerce shouldn't be allowed to continue to deal with the rest of the members on the exchange, no matter where the scam took place. There is a decent value associated with the privelege of making purchases/sales/trades on the BF exchange for knife enthusiasts, and the threat of losing that privelege is enough to persuade some dirty birds to fly straight.
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This pretty much sums up the situation.
This forum operates on honesty and integrity.
A members actions here and elsewhere, good or bad, count for something.
We simply cannot condone nor tolerate back door deals or other dishonesty, especially when these things are facilitated on this forum or brought to our doorstep. Due diligence must be carried out for the integrity of the forum to be maintained.

Both members of this example of poor human behavior are now banned.
 
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