Teenage Carrier?

Here is another story.

About 6 years ago, i worked as deisel mechanic at a large bus company, around 500 bus's.

Around 300-400 of them were school bus's.

The shop policy was, no one carried knives at work.

I locked mine in a lock box i had built into my snap-on tool box and i would recover it at the end of my shift.

Reason, why it or they were not allowed was, what if you lose it on the bus, then what?
It scared the heck out of me when i conteplated what could happen, so i abided by the shop rule it to fullest.

Although i never lost a knife or a tool bigger then one 1/4 drive 1/4 socket, good record i know but it stil was a possibilty that could have happened and had very bad results for many.

Our shop foreman always would run around saying, no matter how many times i cut this board, it is still too short.(Its not only a joke.)
Use your head, or like CRK's motto, Think twice,cut once.


Last thought, did i say something wrong Gfarrel3? or was it basically your agreeing with my post?
WR
 
WarRaven said:
Here is another story.

About 6 years ago, i worked as deisel mechanic at a large bus company, around 500 bus's.

Around 300-400 of them were school bus's.

The shop policy was, no one carried knives at work.

I locked mine in a lock box i had built into my snap-on tool box and i would recover it at the end of my shift.

Reason, why it or they were not allowed was, what if you lose it on the bus, then what?
It scared the heck out of me when i conteplated what could happen, so i abided by the shop rule it to fullest.

Although i never lost a knife or a tool bigger then one 1/4 drive 1/4 socket, good record i know but it stil was a possibilty that could have happened and had very bad results for many.

Our shop foreman always would run around saying, no matter how many times i cut this board, it is still too short.(Its not only a joke.)
Use your head, or like CRK's motto, Think twice,cut once.


Last thought, did i say something wrong Gfarrel3? or was it basically your agreeing with my post?
WR
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Nothing wrong. I was agreeing with you and against Rubeus' claims to bring it into school.
 
TFin04 said:
I've left knives in my pockets on accident when I was still in high school. I went to the officer and told them that I was out hunting the weekend before and forgot it was in my jacket. They held the knife for me (but the secretary opened it and couldn't figure out how to close a liner lock), and let me take it with me at the end of the day.

Just be straight up with people about it and you wont have any problems.
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This works if your school staff and administrators are reasonable people. However, if your school has a "no tolerance" policy and feel obliged to enforce it regardless of common sense, "straight up" honesty will likely get you expelled in this situation.

It's happened here in Southern California repeatedly.

Be wise!
 
JRubeus said:
Goldstein. How goes life in the most overcrowded building on Earth?

I'm legal for carry on age and so forth, but I'm very distrustful of police usage of these laws. I can't see a teenager NOT getting a lot of shit over a legal knife, slipjoints included. Just keep it in your pocket, only use it when you have to, and try to avoid publicizing it.

How did the threat campaign of random metal detector checks go over at Midwood? We had a protest planned at Goldstein. I love how they made a huge fuss about that, did it at 3 highschools that have had about 4 violent incidents in the last 10 years, confiscated 2,000 cell phones, 900 iPods, and 2 box cutters....
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They never did the random metal detectors, maybe because I am in the most overcrowded building on earth (rivaling the Indian railways)
 
USAFSP said:
I carried in High School but in the late 80's early 90's you didn't have to worry about that kind of thing. I don't even think anyone even really talked about it back then in Danbury CT. These days teens are out of control and 85% of them give the good 15% a bad name. Sorry guys. I go to the mall on a Saturday night with the wife to see a movie and want to smack about 50 kids in the mouth before I even get inside. Yo Yo Yo Dog. Kid I will put you over my knee and beat you sensless.
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again. 100% in agreement :grumpy:
 
USAFSP said:
I carried in High School but in the late 80's early 90's you didn't have to worry about that kind of thing. I don't even think anyone even really talked about it back then in Danbury CT. These days teens are out of control and 85% of them give the good 15% a bad name. Sorry guys. I go to the mall on a Saturday night with the wife to see a movie and want to smack about 50 kids in the mouth before I even get inside. Yo Yo Yo Dog. Kid I will put you over my knee and beat you sensless.
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True that.

That wouldn't be the Westfield mall would it? :D
 
I gotta say it again.

You cannot teach people responsibility without giving them an opportunity to behave responsibly. You cannot teach them to treat tools -- AND weapons -- with the respect they require without allowing them to carry them routinely and use them appropriately.

By restricting and demonizing knives, we turn them into fantasy objects of great power. By encouraging ordinary, everyday carry and use, we turn them into pencil sharpeners and kitchen utensils.

There are too many "zero tolerance = zero discretion" adults out there who believe that feminizing young men will socialize them into becoming "good" citizens. These same irresponsible adults are the ones who spent years putting young women into home ec and typing and secretarial classes.

We need to challenge people from the day they can stand up and walk and talk into becoming the most proficient they can be, not the most protected.

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Congratulations to all the young people participating on this thread and on Bladeforums generally, who understand how to survive in a world that hasn't a clue how to use your evident abilities. Don't let the bastards grind you down.

Keep your mouths shut and your weapons out of sight, but be ready for the day when someone -- you! -- has to be prepared to do the job, to defend what's right, to be the real adult, not like the gray-haired whining bureaucrat who can only forbid.
 
I'm 19 and I've carried SAK's on and off for the past 15 years and recently started carrying Spydercos and a CRKT folder.

I haven't had any problems yet. The main thing seems to be use a knife as a tool and use it responsibly. Don't walk around opening an dclosing it strolling through your neighborhood, don't be showing it off to people etc. Just use it discreetly then put it away. Someone questions you, tell them you're using your knife to cut something that needs to be cut, is there a problem with such an act? ;)

Keep them out of schools to. I had an exacto knife in my backpack with a blade literally under 1/2 a centimeter and they tried to expel me for 80 days for having a weapon. Someone sitting next to me in science saw it in my backpack, pulled it out and was stabbing at their stack of papers on their desk with it and one of the girls in the class told the principle I had a knife on me. So lesson is, gotta be responsible not only with how you use your blades, but how others use them to (With or without your consent, the latter being how it happened here). Luckily I talked them down to a two week suspension, but me and my parents both found the whole issue to be laughable to begin with.

Another thing is if you're going to be doing something on a particular night that you know is against the law, don't bring your EDC. Hitting mailboxes with baseball bats, doing illegal substances, petty vandalism etc.

One more thing to consider is a Victorinox Classic. Can meet a lot of EDC cutting needs and is probably the most non-questionable knife you can buy.
 
GFarrell3 said:
I dont agree with Rubeus' post. There is no need to EDC a knife in school. Especially a school in NYC. Even if the person carrying is responsible, there are alot of people who aren't and god help you if some loser grabs the knife and uses it on yourself or someone else.
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Didn't say I thought it was OK. I've accidentally brought a folder in a few times and realized it after getting in. On the other hand, I frequently have a 1 inch slipjoint that is probably about 80 years old. I'd rather use a pencil on someone than that...

I disagree with EDC a knife in school, but I also strongly disagree with metal detectors and such. In the language of modern America, it's bureacratic "terrorism" for votes.
 
I am 15 and carry benchmades around EDC. I don't bring it to school and I carry them legally. I have never had any problems.
 
GFarrell3 said:
True that.

That wouldn't be the Westfield mall would it? :D
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Naaa, I live in MD now. But last time I visited the parents I went to the Galleria in White Pains, NY and the same issue persists there too.:p
 
peacefuljeffrey said:
YOU MUST BE JOKING. I HOPE YOU ARE JOKING.

This kind of thing gets people arrested. The people who don't recognize the utility of knives make the rules, and then you advocate going to those very same people and admitting this "honest mistake" and you expect them to not throw the book at you?

I would say that your experience is aberrant. No way would I go to the officer and admit I had the knife when I could simply keep it in my freakin' pocket til the end of the day.

Honestly, what is the thinking behind not just keeping quiet about it and taking it home??

Serial confessor?

-Jeffrey
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The same reason I would tell a cop that I had a knife on me before stepping out of my car. Honesty up front is usually good to people who get lied to all day long every day.

I went in to the office, said I knew I shouldn't have it with me, and that I would have no problem with them keeping it until a parent came in to pick it up. If they caught that knife on me during school, I would be expelled for sure.
 
JRubeus said:
I forgot that I had a Boker clipped to my back pocket in High School... Thankfully I had a rather long shirt on and noticed that odd "I have a knife pushing into my ass" feeling as soon as I got to first period. Just unclipped it and put it all the way in the pocket. No problems as long as your school doesn't have metal detectors. Thankfully I'm in one of eight or so in all of NYC that still don't have metal detectors...

Aside from that, I only carry when I have a reason. I have a semi-EDC Boker, a much larger CRKT for camping and upstate, and a 1 inch .50 cent antique knife which fits into the coin pouch of my wallet... No one has ever given me problems. Just avoid trouble and avoid using it. Carry a good metal pen if you're paranoid about situations.
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Gotcha. From your post it looked sort of like you were saying to just sneak it in and be quiet about it.
 
Yeah. You really can't just turn a knife over and hope for leniency. I know one teacher who is a daily knife carrier and he would definately hold one for me, but otherwise it is FAR too risky. Our gym locker rooms are very funny though... Ya know when you pull a pair of jeans out of a locker and everything seems to fall from your pockets? My God, I've seen a virtual knife store in there. I see one fall out of a pocket in there at least once a week.

What do you guys think about metal detectors in schools? I really feel that treating students like criminals only inspires them further, though it's understandable in high crime schools.
 
Hawaiian said:
There is no reason for a kid to carry a knife at school. What would someone need to cut at school that is worth being expelled for?
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If you're not simply kidding, then your attitude about it makes me sick.

What would you say if you worked in an office, and the office policy was, "There's nothing you need to cut here, so leave your knife at home or you'll be fired on the spot with no appeal"?

It doesn't take but a moment's thought to realize that a kid has to go TO and FROM school, and LIFE sometimes intrudes during those times, and yeah, maybe the kid might need a knife THEN. Hard to have a knife on your way home from school if you were not able to have it AT school. Do you not realize that sometimes kids go to other places on their ways home from school, like maybe out to play in the woods with friends or something, and may want or need their knives then?

If you are actually arguing that based on age or location mature, responsible kids should not be allowed to have knives and you argue that there is "no REASON" or "NEED," then I don't think you even belong here. That kind of thinking makes my skin crawl.

I'll bet you have carried knives where you didn't "need" them yourself. You probably own a bunch of knives you don't "need." Perhaps you might even own GUNS you don't "need" -- have you ever been in a gun battle and needed a gun? Probably not.

-Jeffrey
 
Furthermore, I think anyone here can think back tp times they would of used a knife at school. Lunch, science projects, field trips to the outdoors, shop class, Multi-tools in Computer Tech, pencil sharpening (Using a knife is much more pleasant than the loud hand-cranked variety) and so on.
 
sph3ric pyramid said:
If you've ever attended a 'bad' school, then you know that the schools' prohibition of edged tools is completely reasonable.

I don't particularly mind these efforts *within schools*. Outside of them, it's a different story.
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Why is it a different story?

The same argument could be made by the authorities that it's necessary to protect the public the same way they find it necessary to use prior restraint to protect school students. There is nowhere to draw a clear line, and no reason why if it's done in one venue it should not be done in another. Why not in a movie theater? It COULD make people SAFER. :jerkit:

If a school is so "bad," it needs to deal with ITS STUDENTS, not the tools the students might use.

My girlfriend used to work in a school (a "bad school") in which one kid beat another student (a female!) with a DESK. Should we ban the desks from the schools? You know, to keep people safe. :rolleyes:

I have an idea! Why don't we make sure to come down hard with both feet on anyone who does anything violent, threatening, or criminal in the schools, and leave everyone else the *#&% alone?! A kid innocently carrying a Buck 110 or a Swiss Army Champion is not someone we should be worrying about. You can generally tell by looking who needs to be worried about. Zero tolerance = zero brains.


-Jeffrey
 
GFarrell3 said:
I dont agree with Rubeus' post. There is no need to EDC a knife in school. Especially a school in NYC. Even if the person carrying is responsible, there are alot of people who aren't and god help you if some loser grabs the knife and uses it on yourself or someone else.
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Yeah, 'cause, you know, the kind of loser who would grab a knife from someone and use it violently against another human being always has to depend on others to provide the knives and never carries a knife of his own. :rolleyes:

Are you quite sure you've thought this through logically?

Bad people will provide their own weapons, thankyouverymuch, and being worried that my knife will end up used by a criminal is not a reason why I won't carry one.

You seem to fall into the category of people who feel that free individuals have to justify their "need" for something before they're free to do it. WRONG. No person is guilty of the crimes committed by another person, so each individual is to be judged by his own acts. If he has never committed a violent unprovoked attack on someone, there is no justification to say he cannot be trusted with knives. If you are worried about the guy standing next to him helping himself to the first guy's knife and using it for violence, you should be dealing with that guy instead, and removing him from the public's concern.

-Jeffrey
 
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