Teenage Carrier?

WarRaven said:
The shop policy was, no one carried knives at work.

Reason, why it or they were not allowed was, what if you lose it on the bus, then what?
It scared the heck out of me when i conteplated what could happen, so i abided by the shop rule it to fullest.
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What was it you feared? That the knife would be found by a student, its inner electronics would sense that it was being held by a juvenile, its mind-control-violence-inducing circuits would charge up, the evil rays would begin to emanate, and the kid would slash the throats and puncture the hearts of some 17 of his busmates? :jerkit:

Although i never lost a knife or a tool bigger then one 1/4 drive 1/4 socket, good record i know but it stil was a possibilty that could have happened and had very bad results for many.
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"Very bad results for many"?
What are you imagining? That your Delica or something would become the weapon in a mass schoolchildren murder just because some kid picked it up?
Do you not realize that:
a) the knife itself has no properties that make the holder of it turn murderous
b) any of the kids you are talking about who might find your knife could just as easily take a kitchen knife from home if they want to murder their schoolmates -- and what's more, they won't have to wait and wait and wait and hope that some bus mechanic finally drops his knife on the floor near the very seat that he's going to occupy!

I mean really, dude. This is insane.

-Jeffrey
 
TFin04 said:
The same reason I would tell a cop that I had a knife on me before stepping out of my car. Honesty up front is usually good to people who get lied to all day long every day.

I went in to the office, said I knew I shouldn't have it with me, and that I would have no problem with them keeping it until a parent came in to pick it up. If they caught that knife on me during school, I would be expelled for sure.
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I've been pulled over numerous times with both knives AND guns on me (legally) and didn't say a goddamned word to the cops. You're not gonna get patted down for speeding, and even if you did, if you're carrying legal items legally there's no trouble to get into.

You are ignoring the FACT of what I am saying. FACTUALLY, MANY people get the full weight of the rule/punishment thrown at them EVEN THOUGH they do the dutiful sheeple "I'm so sorry I had this innocent tool on me despite having no ill intentions" surrender thingie you said you did.

There is so much more to be said for keeping one's mouth SHUT and just taking it home. Honestly, how does this heuristic work, that you think it is 1,000,000% more likely that somehow the knife would get discovered on you just because you had it where you "weren't supposed" to have it? There is nothing but your own paranoia to make you believe that somehow this time someone will notice the knife deep in your pocket.

-Jeffrey
 
No Jeff, i do agree with you, we should be innocent first, guilty after the fact.

The policy was laid down on us mechanics simply, if any tool, Any tool was found a bus that could be back tracked to a mechanic or shop hand, it would be immediate dismissal.

It was my job, so i had to abide by it, I never said i agree'd with it.

Well actually, i did to a degree jeff, you see, evey day when the day was over the bus's would come back and the shop hands would begin seat repairs.

Seems alot of kids still pack something sharp or that will ignite flames, and every day the bus would need interior repairs, the seats backs an bottoms would be slashed and burnt on some of the bus's every day.

So yeah, if my Scary sharp knife was found by the wrong individual on the bus, the kid in from or beside him could have been cut to rubbons, i did mention i make my knives acary sharp right?

So a level ground had to be found, i am not going to lose my job, be held morally responcible for some loser kids actions with my lost tooling, whether it a knife or a 3 foot handled 1/2 drive ratchet, would knock peeps senseless.


I know, the Knife is Not guilty, however, the supplier of said weapon gets to share in the infamy of the moment.
Not my cup o tea, if ya know what i mean.

Others take thier chances acting like a human or not for thier own liability, in this case i would have been just as guilty by our shops rules, sure they couldnt charge me with assualt ect, however, relief was a immediate threat.

It is true, that the inanimate object does not kill, however there are instances of situations where accidents happen, things fall, or fly in an accident ect as well.

One last thought, what if a kid finds my scary sharp knife, he does not turn it on anyone else, though he does open it to look at it like any curious kid, wow he thinks, i wonder if its sharp, slip, a new blood donor has been created, he screams, drops the knife, the bus halts to a stop, the driver is told by the kid, i found this scary knife and it cut me. Then they begin to look for me, and the wheels of unmerited justice begin to smoke.

Do you see now friend.

Peace

WR
 
As far as WarRaven's circumstance went with the bus job, I can see the issue from both sides. Even though a "bad" kid would probably bring his own weapon to school/bus for doing his deed, I could definitely see a kid stumbling across a super sharp pocketknife and either hurting himself or somebody else with it. Of course the object isn't limited to just a knife, but if a kid isn't probably trained on how to handle knife, (just like a gun), then bad things could happen. That leads me to the other side of the arguement, being raised on a farm shooting, fishing, hunting, cutting, building, chopping, etc., I never remember it being a big deal to handle something sharp, pointy, or something that went bang. I was taught as soon as I was able to comprehend how to properly handle, use, treat, respect, etc., tools and weapons of all sorts. I had plenty of toy guns and swords and such and never once did I "play" with the real deal. I knew the rules and abided by them. One day when I have kids, I plan to raise them the same way. So, yeah it would be bad to leave a nice sharp knife on a school bus, but a kid raised right would know how to pick it up and turn it in without getting hurt or hurting somebody else. It's a shame that grown men are punished for society's igornance.
 
peacefuljeffrey said:
If you're not simply kidding, then your attitude about it makes me sick.

What would you say if you worked in an office, and the office policy was, "There's nothing you need to cut here, so leave your knife at home or you'll be fired on the spot with no appeal"?


-Jeffrey
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If there were incidents that occurred in said office that incurred such a policy than YES!

No, there's never been stabbings at schools. People have never been shot either. :jerkit: :jerkit: :jerkit:
 
peacefuljeffrey said:
Yeah, 'cause, you know, the kind of loser who would grab a knife from someone and use it violently against another human being always has to depend on others to provide the knives and never carries a knife of his own. :rolleyes:

Are you quite sure you've thought this through logically?

Bad people will provide their own weapons, thankyouverymuch, and being worried that my knife will end up used by a criminal is not a reason why I won't carry one.

You seem to fall into the category of people who feel that free individuals have to justify their "need" for something before they're free to do it. WRONG. No person is guilty of the crimes committed by another person, so each individual is to be judged by his own acts. If he has never committed a violent unprovoked attack on someone, there is no justification to say he cannot be trusted with knives. If you are worried about the guy standing next to him helping himself to the first guy's knife and using it for violence, you should be dealing with that guy instead, and removing him from the public's concern.

-Jeffrey
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Why give him a chance? True that he should be dealt with but if the knife wasn't there you would not have to worry. At least until they acted outside the enviorment or attempted to act inside, though with actions in place those numbers have decreased and Rubeus attested to low numbers in his school. Despite the fact that his school is not one of the roughest ones they will follow the lead of the other schools who desperately need help. As for laws, policies, and everything else legislative this has been a long running issue and many efforts are being tested to try and keep kids safe. Can't argue with the caliber of weapons they confiscate also. Lipstick knives, comb knives., etc. All the sneaky cheap crap. If you can acknowledge a lack of knife education, do you really think it smart to start when there are so many with wrong ideas and intentions? It has to be defined and the best way to do that is to limit the numbers. At first anyway. Before you can even argue anything else, there is no outstanding reason to carry a knife to school. Anything you should be cutting there should be supplied by them.
 
GFarrell3 said:
Anything you should be cutting there should be supplied by them.
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Anything you should be wearing there should be designed by them.
Anything you should be eating there should be prepared by them.
Anything you should be doing there should be directed by them.
Anything you should be thinking there ... no, don't. Don't think. Just obey.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
Anything you should be wearing there should be designed by them.
Anything you should be eating there should be prepared by them.
Anything you should be doing there should be directed by them.
Anything you should be thinking there ... no, don't. Don't think. Just obey.
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C,mon Esav.
I have no problem with kids getting educated as to knife safety and use, etc. This isn't something that is taught in schools however regardless if it should be. So are we to just let kids bring in whatever they want and when something goes wrong, blame who? The user? The teachers, parents, schoolboard?

God forbid, but hypothetically if your child was inured from someone else's knife or his own used against him or another innocent student, who would YOU hold responsible? Yourself? I doubt it. I doubt the other parents would feel the same as you also.

Jeffrey needs to pull his head out of the sand. I'm not advocating against free will or thought but there is a time and place for everything. I learned respect for knives from family and outside of school. Never needed one in school. I don't see what the debate is. Until we are clear that kids have a well understood, working knowledge of knife etiquette, there will always be kids who aren't going to "get it" and will act poorly.

Granted different parts of the country have different schools of thought. I would assume a student growing up on a farm or rural area is more accustomed to carrying since he uses it more for chores, etc. and has learned from an early age. Chances are he learned that from his parents or family, whatever but probably not the school. We are also discussing schools relative to cities and large, densely populated school districts, as in NYC.

Schools are supposed to be a safe place to learn. Obviously in this day and age it's apparent that this isn't always true, so let's bring more weapons into the mix. :confused:
 
Children learn responsibility by being held responsible. No, this doesn't mean we immediately issue bayonets with their pencil cases. It does mean our society is going to have to actually think about these issues, instead of assuming the worst and banning the rest.

Intelligence and discretion, not zero tolerance. Segregation of children who refuse to behave according to minimum necessary standards. Gradual imposition of a return to the concept that "if you broke it, you bought it" and that goes for their situation in life and how the world will deal with them.

I grew up in NYC and went to high school in its immediate suburbs. I always had a knife in my pocket and it was never a big deal. Those were different times. Why?

Because we now punish society for the wrongdoing of its criminals. :barf:
 
Esav Benyamin said:
I grew up in NYC and went to high school in its immediate suburbs. I always had a knife in my pocket and it was never a big deal. Those were different times. Why?

Because we now punish society for the wrongdoing of its criminals. :barf:
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I hear you here. I did the same. They were different times. Kids weren't walking into schools blowing away people at random. Nor were there Bloods and Crips on Long Island. But there are now. Times are different and we must adjust. Unfortunately normal level headed folks sometimes have to restrict their personal freedoms as a matter of safety, in order to get a handle on the situation. If the weapons being brought into schools by 7, 8 and 9 years olds wasn't even an issue, then I can see your point as to educating the kids and holding them responsible. It's well beyond that state now. We are already in the fray of dealing with everything from kids bringing their own on up to bringing in dad's pistol. Where does it end? Where should the education begin? Perhaps, dare I say, at home. Sadly that's a whole other problem.

Also, who does the victim hold responsible? The attacker? Sure. The other kids parents? Possibly? The school? Most definitely because we assume and expect our kids to get there, spend their day, and get back safely.
 
USAFSP said:
If you wear your pants around down around your ankles and call your knife a "Shank Joint" then you should just put it down now and find a new hobby.
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hahahahaha, i go to a mostly white and asian high school in maryland and a lot of the kids in school are like that. Not me though, I have recently got into balisongs, I have a cheap one that I got on the internet, I rarely carry any of my knives though becuase I believe it's illegal.
 
If the person in question is responsible and not a trouble maker I don't see why anyone over the age of 10 shouldn't carry a knife, obviously not to school though...
 
I'm 17 and have been carrying a knife every day since I was 12. Nowadays I EDC three; a BM Vex, a Spydie Native and a SAK (Wenger Handyman). Haven't had any problems yet. Since I'm home-schooled, I even get to take 'em to school. :P
 
Kyp Degal said:
I'm 17 and have been carrying a knife every day since I was 12. Nowadays I EDC three; a BM Vex, a Spydie Native and a SAK (Wenger Handyman). Haven't had any problems yet. Since I'm home-schooled, I even get to take 'em to school. :P
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whats home schooling like?
 
Carry away my friend! If going to a scrutinized area, say downtown, take a smaller, more like gentleman pocket knife or a SAK. Suburbs and beyond carry what you need to....

also, handle safe and teach other how to, also people borrowing your knife, most of the time, is not a good idea (if you appreciate that specific knife).
 
Old thread or not, there have been some interesting posts.

In my experience, it's the kids who don't carry knives and didn't get a proper edged tool education at home that can create problems. I've carried a knife for as long as I can remember, I had a SAK EDC when I was around 7 (not too long ago, I'm 24) and I carried it to school but kept it in my backpack. To me it was the most common thing in the world, but to the other kids it was an incredible item and they would try to do stupid things with it (I never lent it to anybody).

I got in trouble once because there was some sort of celebration at school, a big lunch, and the knives were dull. I used my SAK to cut my food, whipped it and put it away. My parents were called in the next day to have a talk with the headmistress. My dad was very pissed off with her, the headmistress thought that I had stolen the knife from my dad or something. When she told him why she took it away from me, he got even more pissed off. Finally nothing happened (I was always a straight A student and had no behaviour problems), and I got my knife back.

Kids need to be taught about knives and tools in general. It will make their lives easier and actually safer. By the time they are teenagers, they should have a few years of knife experience under their belts. It has a lot to do with parents as well, my dad would give me an hour long lecture if I went horseback riding without a knife, and would ground me for a week for not taking care of my tools. But if I took good care of them, he would give me a better knife or tool for my b-day or christmass.

Nowadays people are scared of everything and end up behaving in strange ways. I work with a non-profit organization that has mainly American interns and volunteers, I'm the only one who carries a knife. Last week we received several boxes (a few dozen) and a lot of supplies, the four girls who were in charge of opening everything were using keys and pens, turning a five minute job into twenty minutes of struggle.
 
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