The "Ask Nathan a Question" Thread

Accept no substitutes...the S&W H.R.T. ...when only the finest knife money $16 can buy will do.

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ronnie hood said:
What is the one on the left?
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Someone is selling a knockoff of my boot dagger.

We have all been inspired by other people's work, nobody in this industry is working in a perfect vacuum, and there are tribute pieces also. But this guy didn't talk to me first, and he copied elements such as the choil that he didn't need to. And then he's selling them here. It's too much, I have a problem with it.
 
Nathan the Machinist said:
Someone is selling a knockoff of my boot dagger.

We have all been inspired by other people's work, nobody in this industry is working in a perfect vacuum, and there are tribute pieces also. But this guy didn't talk to me first, and he copied elements such as the choil that he didn't need to. And then he's selling them here. It's too much, I have a problem with it.
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Selling them on the doorstep too?
What a w****r
 
Nathan the Machinist said:
Someone is selling a knockoff of my boot dagger.

We have all been inspired by other people's work, nobody in this industry is working in a perfect vacuum, and there are tribute pieces also. But this guy didn't talk to me first, and he copied elements such as the choil that he didn't need to. And then he's selling them here. It's too much, I have a problem with it.
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Oh, calm down Nathan. I am sure the choils are not the same. The diameter/radius of the pencil lead has to throw it off by at least a few thousandths when you trace the knife on paper.
 
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I got pretty pissed years ago when everyone was selling copies of Perrin's "La Griffe"...and I had no interest other than Fred was a friend.

I asked Kit Carson about this one day when we were hanging out...about how he felt about everyone piggybacking on his popular patterns.

He just said "Nothing's new under the sun" and that "we all stand on the shoulders of those who came before us" and shrugged it off.

Better men than I would have been in similar circumstances. I carried a grudge on behalf of both against a variety of makers, some of whom were here on the site. C'est la vie.
 
Now that the boot daggers have been brought to light and are being compared, is this too close in design to a UF/UF2? The blade length is shorter but with the tell tale thumb ramp, handle curves, grind and swedge, it’s pretty darn close. (If this design was approved though, I will edit this all out Nathan the Machinist Nathan the Machinist ). When I saw this posted I had the same “What the Hell” reaction as I did with the boot daggers.

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If one is going to intentionally borrow design elements from another maker, the respectful thing is to ask permission first. When a friend wanted a wharnecliffe made with "the most comfy handle ever, the EDC" I reached out to Nathan and Lorien before ever putting pencil to paper.
 
Jsega51 said:
Now that the boot daggers have been brought to light and are being compared, is this too close in design to a UF/UF2? The blade length is shorter but with the tell tale thumb ramp, handle curves, grind and swedge, it’s pretty darn close. (If this design was approved though, I will edit this all out Nathan the Machinist Nathan the Machinist ). When I saw this posted I had the same “What the Hell” reaction as I did with the boot daggers.

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Yeah, Jake, like Adam said, I think a difference is that is a personal project and likely not for sale. That guy is at least a very active member of the CPK sub, not a BF Knifemaker member and openly posted it right here on the sub where Nathan would be sure to see it. I saw it and thought kinda the same as you, that’s obviously his version of a UF2 variant, but was okay with it.

WValtakis said:
If one is going to intentionally borrow design elements from another maker, the respectful thing is to ask permission first. When a friend wanted a wharnecliffe made with "the most comfy handle ever, the EDC" I reached out to Nathan and Lorien before ever putting pencil to paper.
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Thought of you and that knife when this came up, you did it the right way, Nathan was generous to give the okay and that was a cool project.
 
Jsega51 said:
Now that the boot daggers have been brought to light and are being compared, is this too close in design to a UF/UF2? The blade length is shorter but with the tell tale thumb ramp, handle curves, grind and swedge, it’s pretty darn close. (If this design was approved though, I will edit this all out Nathan the Machinist Nathan the Machinist ). When I saw this posted I had the same “What the Hell” reaction as I did with the boot daggers.

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If this is a one-off personal project I don't have a problem with it. But tracing my design and sending it to a waterjetter and manufacturing multiple copies (with their name on it) for sale is different.
 
Sorry to bring that up, I just thought it was odd for a knifemaker to showcase their new project by dropping a pic of a blade that looks very much like what’s in production.

Carry on!


Edited to add: My UF2 preorder should be here today, popsicle sticks and all! Of course I’ll most likely miss the delivery while I’m at work this afternoon lol.
 
Jsega51 said:
Now that the boot daggers have been brought to light and are being compared, is this too close in design to a UF/UF2? The blade length is shorter but with the tell tale thumb ramp, handle curves, grind and swedge, it’s pretty darn close. (If this design was approved though, I will edit this all out Nathan the Machinist Nathan the Machinist ). When I saw this posted I had the same “What the Hell” reaction as I did with the boot daggers.

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Nathan the Machinist said:
If this is a one-off personal project I don't have a problem with it. But tracing my design and sending it to a waterjetter and manufacturing multiple copies (with their name on it) for sale is different.
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I didn't trace or directly copy. I worked in Illustrator, putting anchors at points that define parameters I want, like 5" blade. I was certainly inspired by Mark's FFS and wanted to try my 10" wheel on my new grinder, but I would happily put the final piece beside any CPK model to show differences.
I don't sell any of my work.
This is different from the boot dagger in question whose profile matches every parameter exactly, and multiple copies were made for sale.
 
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