The Bears' Den--Shirogorov Showcase

Alsharif

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Besides the obvious more intricate milling, the fit and finish is just as good as the quantum. I would say the quality is exactly the same which is nice to see on a regular production Shiro. At one point I had a ME frag F95 and it did not have nearly the same f&f as these.
That's what I've gathered from people with CDs. The latest Shiro offerings are on the same level, which is fantastic!
 

Alsharif

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So I need some advice. I'm trying to acquire a Quantum pivot screw and an F3NS body screw. I contacted Tom at Shiro and he's been taking a LONG time to respond. Sako at Recon1 is fantastic but they don't stock any screws and they can only send the knives back to Russia. Josh at Razor Edge Knives has been instructed by shiro to not sell any more shiro screws, he's only to sell the stock he has right now.

What should I do? At this price point, you'd figure making sure your customers are happy by having the process of acquiring any extra parts be easy, but it's been frustrating.
In case anyone viewing this thread is wondering. The only way to get replacement parts is through [email protected]. It'll take a while, up to two months, but you'll get the parts. Be patient when contacting him as replies can take up to a week (or more).


Just got the new F95NL in Arctic Storm :D

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I have a question. Will any ball bearings work for shiros as long as they are the same size? I'm asking because I want a shiro but im afraid if I lose any bearings ill be up a creek.
 

Alsharif

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I do recommend buying extra bearings before disassembly. They're cheap and easy to get. A non-magnetic tweezer will also be instrumental.

Any 1.5mm bearings will work. It is best if you use steel bearings and not ceramic, as that is what is recommended by Shirogorov. When it comes to bearings, the roundness is valued by a grade number. The lower the grade the higher the tolerances and more round the bearings. The lowest I could find at a reasonable price is grade 10.

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(https://insights.globalspec.com/article/12349/how-are-bearing-balls-made)

I bought extra bearings off of Amazon: (1.5mm 500pcs AISI 440C Stainless Steel Bearing Balls Grade 10 (AISI440C)). They don't necessarily need to be made of 440C.
 

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I do recommend buying extra bearings before disassembly. They're cheap and easy to get. A non-magnetic tweezer will also be instrumental.

Any 1.5mm bearings will work. It is best if you use steel bearings and not ceramic, as that is what is recommended by Shirogorov. When it comes to bearings, the roundness is valued by a grade number. The lower the grade the higher the tolerances and more round the bearings. The lowest I could find at a reasonable price is grade 10.

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(https://insights.globalspec.com/article/12349/how-are-bearing-balls-made)

I bought extra bearings off of Amazon: (1.5mm 500pcs AISI 440C Stainless Steel Bearing Balls Grade 10 (AISI440C)). They don't necessarily need to be made of 440C.
Thank you!
 

Alsharif

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Thank you!
You're welcome! I totally recommend Shiros. Most that say they're too expensive end up buying two to three times more knives and spending about the same in the end, it was that way for me. If you can get past the sticker shock and can appreciate fine details and superb craftsmanship, you'll love'm. There's a Shiro Facebook group for secondary sales, good deals come up all the time.

Only con to ownership is that they're located in Russia. Parts and/or warranty work, if needed, can take a long time.
 

Eliteone2383

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You're welcome! I totally recommend Shiros. Most that say they're too expensive end up buying two to three times more knives and spending about the same in the end, it was that way for me. If you can get past the sticker shock and can appreciate fine details and superb craftsmanship, you'll love'm. There's a Shiro Facebook group for secondary sales, good deals come up all the time.

Only con to ownership is that they're located in Russia. Parts and/or warranty work, if needed, can take a long time.
Unfortunately I was completely banned from Facebook for having a 3 percenter profile picture. Now I get flagged immediately if I try to make another account.
 

Alsharif

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Unfortunately I was completely banned from Facebook for having a 3 percenter profile picture. Now I get flagged immediately if I try to make another account.
VPN ;)

Another point I’d like to add is that I don’t feel that their smaller offerings are done as well as their full size knives. Maybe they are as good, or better, when you pay custom division prices at $2k+. That’s been my experience with the production Hation Zero I had and subsequently sold. YMMV.
 

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Another point I’d like to add is that I don’t feel that their smaller offerings are done as well as their full size knives. Maybe they are as good, or better, when you pay custom division prices at $2k+. That’s been my experience with the production Hation Zero I had and subsequently sold. YMMV.

Interesting point, though I have only one smaller Shiro to judge by, but MMDV as I'm very pleased with my most basic NeOn UL in S30V. I am very much a larger knife guy and my other 7 Bears are all 95mm and up, but the little guy is a great flipper and free-dropper with every bit the same high level of design and F&F as its larger and more expensive comrades. It's also hard to argue with a Shiro that originally retailed at $550 (I paid less for all-but-BNIB) when serial F95's are now eleven hundred bucks at the US dealers.

Speaking of basic--and old school--I pocketed the second Tabargan I've owned today. I still miss my beautiful, custom-scaled, 3D, M390 100NS that I sold to fund my F95R, but it was way too pretty to carry and mark up and this most basic 2D 440C model is excellent in hand and a great work user. The "lesser" steel takes a wicked keen edge too.

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Alsharif

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I haven’t seen many models like that. Very interesting! When was that made?

Perhaps part of the reason was the Cf scale on my Hation Zero? I wouldn’t mind trying a small all titanium or inlayed titanium model.

I think the steady rise in Shiro pricing is due to the improvements to their production line. The lines are beginning to blur between CDs and the top offerings in their production line.
 
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I haven’t seen many models like that. Very interesting! When was that made?

Perhaps part of the reason was the Cf scale on my Hation Zero? I wouldn’t mind trying a small all titanium or inlayed titanium model.

I think the steady rise in Shiro pricing is due to the improvements to their production line. The lines are beginning to blur between CDs and the top offerings in their production line.
I appreciate your feedback and decided to try the neon zero.
First Shiro is in the mail.
 

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Alsharif Alsharif , the 100NS (New Style) is the second generation Tabargan and introduced the iconic PacMan screws to the model. The NS was produced from about 2010-2013/14. The one I pictured above was the baseline model with 2D G10 scales, open back construction, and modest steels. A parallel line featured M390, Vanax 35, and other "better" steels, 3D scales of CF or other, backspacers, and decorative touches like anodized liners and clips.

You can find my dearly departed searching back through this thread, but here's a couple pics from back in the day.

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Still, that beauty really only got fondled and admired while its more modest cousin gets carried and used with regularity.

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Shirogorov finally made a lefty and a NeOn according to Recon 1. I’m so upset I missed it. Hopefully there will be more.

Did anyone here get one.
 

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Shirogorov finally made a lefty and a NeOn according to Recon 1. I’m so upset I missed it. Hopefully there will be more.

Did anyone here get one.

I saw it posted and was trying to decide if I can afford it. By the time I was ready to pull the trigger it was sold out. Bittersweet that I missed this one. I’ll probably jump on another drop
 

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Another 2 cents worth on the quality of full size v. smaller versions. I have several full size including one CD. I have a Neon UL S30V and a recently purchased Hation Zero that came from this site. The Quantum and a new F3 NL bronze are the newest full size. Quality on these two is top notch. The Quantum surprises me as to how close it is to the CD which runs on rollers. The older Neon is closer to the quality of the full size versions. The Hation has a few "sharp" edges but nothing that would make me consider getting rid of it, especially for the price I paid. I don't think it is an equal to the Neon but this doesn't stop me from carrying it. I had bought a Hation Zero when they first came out. It suffered from the ridiculously tight clip and very stiff detent that other people had complained about so I sold it.
 

Alsharif

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Beauty! They’re coming out with glow-in-the-dark Hation Zeros. No ETA and not my jam.

I want to see the R21 annual, maybe some 3D milling? Not holding my breath
 
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