The breaking of a new Schrade.

Duane Sanders said:
I think everyone missed where you said quality. All I see people mention is $5.00 mid 80s flea market specials. Don't know how the word quality would inspire them to think that. When you say quality I think of a Chris Reeve Mountaineer, even the Schrade rip off of the design in their 1070 will be a tough one to break unless there is a materials defect. In that case the CR would be a pile of junk too.



He said quality everyone. How could you only think of the flea market versions when he says that? Really?
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I'd argue two points. Quality hollow handle knives do break (the CR hollow handle knives don't fare well in shock tests or abuse... you can look up destruction tests on YouTube by Noss. Comare how those knives hold up to many other quality fixed blades. (And not justt expensive Busse or customs. Cold Steel GI Tanto held up very well. I have one that has survived 10? Years of throwing and abuse).

Failure of full tang knives happens. But I don't remember seeing many with a quality design.

It is not an either or proposition.
 
craytab said:
As it turns out I can read and did in fact read that word "quality". His own buddy admits to quality hollow handle knives breaking. Maybe do a minute of research on the subject and you will see is statement is completely wrong. "No quality hollow handle knife ever falls" is just a silly statement that is in no way true what-so-ever. To defend it is also silly.
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I'm talking about quality ones. Maybe if welded on hollow handles, no matter how exquisite they look, may not be quality knives. The CR Mountaineer, doubt it's nothing but quality unless you find one with materials defects. Even the 1070 steel Schrade versions that are a copy of that quality design will be hard to find a design defect in. More likely to find material defects in that line, as shown in the OP.

The knife you're talking about isn't quality by default because it may be expensive. Price does not equal quality and quality does not establish price.

So let's focus on the statement. Quality (in design) hollow handles can and will be tough. Like I have seen with the CS survival edge. Plastic and hollow screwed together with a nut at that. Fairly decent steel that's easy to sharpen too. I know about five people who keep them as an oh crap knife after testing them out. Hard enough testing for me to trust it in my wife's car also.

Unless on here it is that the CR hollow handle is the same quality as a flea market hollow handle knife. If so that needs some explaining. As to research. Don't need to, my brother collects any and every knife brand and style. From illegal Ganzos to CR and beyond. He's not afraid to test or use them either. I really don't know much else I could base my comments off from. Google sure as heck will not teach me much.
 
stabman said:
I know.
The ridiculous thing is that he thinks quality full tang blades break with great frequency.
He is just plain wrong about that, as he is with many other things he posts.
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So that's why everyone thinks no matter what they say, it's wrong? Makes complete sense to me now.

All I see anyone saying now is under the proper test parameters full tang, and hollow handle knives are weak and worthless as long as the test is designed specifically to break that design. So now everything he says is wrong.

These are knives everyone. Under the right circumstances all will be pieces of junk. I could go out to my back yard right now and make up a test to prove it. Anyone want to send me a Popular indestructible blade? I'll show you a test that proves its junk. I promise.

Under normal use to me my Buck 420HC Reaper is more knife than any woodsman would need to use for any work in the woods. Normal use, even what lots see as "abusive" use is no match for it. Maybe a lot of finish wear and some dings on the scales but there is nothing in the woods that can stop it. That I know.

I think the quality problems aren't knife quality problems. Just my thought.
 
Duane Sanders said:
All I see anyone saying now is under the proper test parameters full tang, and hollow handle knives are weak and worthless as long as the test is designed specifically to break that design. So now everything he says is wrong.
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Nope.
He's the one on the "full tang knives break often, quality hollow handle knives don't" kick.
Everyone else knows that quality knives don't break often, hollow handle, full tang or otherwise.

He also said that stabs only reach as far as an elbow can...chew on that odd statement for a while.

I think he may just like seeing people disagree with him...in which case, I am making him happy. :)
 
Duane Sanders said:
These are knives everyone. Under the right circumstances all will be pieces of junk. I could go out to my back yard right now and make up a test to prove it. Anyone want to send me a Popular indestructible blade? I'll show you a test that proves its junk. I promise.
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And now you see why his statement was so factually wrong. It wasn't that hard to figure out.....
 
I'm just glad the disagreements continue...otherwise I might actually get some work done! :eek:
 
stabman said:
Nope.
He's the one on the "full tang knives break often, quality hollow handle knives don't" kick.
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We both know it's not hard to find full tang designs that will break often. We both also know not every single hollow handle is a flea market special. Everyone coming back at him with that as their example of the quality he mentions is posting information no better than he is.

Everyone using them examples to make him look uninformed look just as uninformed. No one is making them self look any better or smarter on the subject by going to such low lengths to prove a pointless point.

He said quality hollow handle, even if he compares it to low quality full tangs it means nothing. High quality is high quality and to those who site internet Google tests designed to break a specific design aren't even considerable to the conversation.
 
This thread is making me have the urge to buy a hollow handle knife...damn you internet! :D

Ooh, or make one...
 
Duane Sanders said:
He said quality hollow handle, even if he compares it to low quality full tangs it means nothing. High quality is high quality and to those who site internet Google tests designed to break a specific design aren't even considerable to the conversation.
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He said a quality hollow handle knife will never break. There is easily attainable and easily repeatable evidence to the contrary. How is that so difficult to understand. Or is this another one of those "well since Benchmade isn't going after Ganzo BM must be fine with them using their lock" type of arguments. Pointless.
 
craytab said:
He said a quality hollow handle knife will never break. There is easily attainable and easily repeatable evidence to the contrary. How is that so difficult to understand. Or is this another one of those "well since Benchmade isn't going after Ganzo BM must be fine with them using their lock" type of arguments. Pointless.
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You have the oddest way of proving other people wrong.

Just putting this out there but your posts are almost always agenda based and the agenda is rarely knives, but more about the person posting.

Sir, I will take you more seriously when you post more about knives and less about attacking people. Sorry, but that's how I read you.

Right now if I were to use google to learn about knives, it would be like going onto YouTube to learn how to drive. Owned and used knives longer than I've been driving. Have no need at all to use the Internet to teach me anything on the two topics. So tell me what you know, not what you've read.
 
Duane Sanders said:
You have the oddest way of proving other people wrong.

Just putting this out there but your posts are almost always agenda based and the agenda is rarely knives, but more about the person posting.

Sir, I will take you more seriously when you post more about knives and less about attacking people. Sorry, but that's how I read you.

Right now if I were to use google to learn about knives, it would be like going onto YouTube to learn how to drive. Owned and used knives longer than I've been driving. Have no need at all to use the Internet to teach me anything on the two topics. So tell me what you know, not what you've read.
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Know it is impossible to say that one specific design of knife will never fail.
 
Duane Sanders said:
I think everyone missed where you said quality. All I see people mention is $5.00 mid 80s flea market specials. Don't know how the word quality would inspire them to think that. When you say quality I think of a Chris Reeve Mountaineer, even the Schrade rip off of the design in their 1070 will be a tough one to break unless there is a materials defect. In that case the CR would be a pile of junk too.



He said quality everyone. How could you only think of the flea market versions when he says that? Really?
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What amuses me is that you actually think he's got a valid point. Spoiler alert! He doesn't.
 
Bigfattyt said:
I'd argue two points. Quality hollow handle knives do break (the CR hollow handle knives don't fare well in shock tests or abuse... you can look up destruction tests on YouTube by Noss. Comare how those knives hold up to many other quality fixed blades. (And not justt expensive Busse or customs. Cold Steel GI Tanto held up very well. I have one that has survived 10? Years of throwing and abuse).

Failure of full tang knives happens. But I don't remember seeing many with a quality design.

It is not an either or proposition.
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You must be wrong. Guy said that he's never seen so much as a picture of a quality hollow handle knife breaking, so I know those videos must be fakes.

LOL
 
Duane Sanders said:
You have the oddest way of proving other people wrong.

Just putting this out there but your posts are almost always agenda based and the agenda is rarely knives, but more about the person posting.

Sir, I will take you more seriously when you post more about knives and less about attacking people. Sorry, but that's how I read you.

Right now if I were to use google to learn about knives, it would be like going onto YouTube to learn how to drive. Owned and used knives longer than I've been driving. Have no need at all to use the Internet to teach me anything on the two topics. So tell me what you know, not what you've read.
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You know, there was another guy here who thought he knew everything there was to know about knives, and didn't believe any information to the contrary, but wouldn't you know it, I'm struggling to recall his name.
 
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