The breaking of a new Schrade.

[jonnyt16]

Why is it that everyone feels like they have to always prove somebody else wrong on these forums nowdays? Sheesh. It just ends up ruining threads and eventually gets them shut down. Yes, the "full tang knives break often, quality hollow handle knives don't" statement is ridiculous. Anyone with a brain understands that. Can we move on now?

 

[craytab]

Why is it that everyone feels like they have to always prove somebody else wrong on these forums nowdays? Sheesh. It just ends up ruining threads and eventually gets them shut down. Yes, the "full tang knives break often, quality hollow handle knives don't" statement is ridiculous. Anyone with a brain understands that. Can we move on now?

I am more than ready to move on. Some people can't see what the facts are here though. You put it quite well. If folks want to spout such inaccuracies or defend them, shall we just stand by and let their ridiculous statements dressed up as truth stand? That's not the kind of community I want.

 

[22-rimfire]

I avoided looking at this thread when it started. All I can say is that Taylor did good replacing your knife. There isn't much more they could really do other than pay the shipping on your end.

I think the Schrades are getting more attention because some are made with 1095. Plus they are kind of inexpensive for what they are.

 

[Insipid Moniker]

I would say what we have here is an example of sample size bias. More quality full tang knives break than quality hollow handle knives. I would say that's an indisputable fact. Problem is, quality full tang knives outnumber quality hollow handle knives by a vast margin, I would guess by a couple orders of magnitude in fact. All of us lack the data to compare failure rates, which is the actual meaningul number in this argument.

 

[Duane Sanders]

I am more than ready to move on. Some people can't see what the facts are here though. You put it quite well. If folks want to spout such inaccuracies or defend them, shall we just stand by and let their ridiculous statements dressed up as truth stand? That's not the kind of community I want.

Pretty sure they are talking about you. Bold the first sentence in his quote.

You see, Gaston said he never seen a picture of a quality hollow handle broken. Another guy tells me to google and YouTube. Instead of comparing mid 80s flea market hollow handle knives to quality, show him a picture of a CR mountaineer broken. Another member claims they are out there and Google will lead the way.

So if your going to prove anything. Get that Google on and find a picture and prove him wrong. Until then it's an agenda against a person and not a quality knife as was stated.

I'd love to see one broken too.

You haven't proven your counter point yet. So be a hero to everyone here and show gaston how wrong he is.

 

[AntDog]

Duane, it ain't just in this thread bud.

 

[craytab]

Duane, it ain't just in this thread bud.

Yup. Arguing a position that is factually wrong seems to be a trend lately.

Duane, I do not have to prove anything. Saying that a quality hollow handle knife will never break is a piss poor argument. If you want to stick with that line of thinking I can tell you that most members here have the deductive reasoning ability to understand why that statement is false.

 

[shinyedges]

Duane start a thread in the w&c forum...

Boris is rolling in his tighty whiteys right about now holding his schrade raving angrily.

Broken knives happen, the company stood behind the knife so all is well.... well except for the knife, it is anything but doing well LOL

Pretty sure they are talking about you. Bold the first sentence in his quote.

You see, Gaston said he never seen a picture of a quality hollow handle broken. Another guy tells me to google and YouTube. Instead of comparing mid 80s flea market hollow handle knives to quality, show him a picture of a CR mountaineer broken. Another member claims they are out there and Google will lead the way.

So if your going to prove anything. Get that Google on and find a picture and prove him wrong. Until then it's an agenda against a person and not a quality knife as was stated.

I'd love to see one broken too.

You haven't proven your counter point yet. So be a hero to everyone here and show gaston how wrong he is.

 

[Bigfattyt]

Pretty sure they are talking about you. Bold the first sentence in his quote.

You see, Gaston said he never seen a picture of a quality hollow handle broken. Another guy tells me to google and YouTube. Instead of comparing mid 80s flea market hollow handle knives to quality, show him a picture of a CR mountaineer broken. Another member claims they are out there and Google will lead the way.

So if your going to prove anything. Get that Google on and find a picture and prove him wrong. Until then it's an agenda against a person and not a quality knife as was stated.

I'd love to see one broken too.

You haven't proven your counter point yet. So be a hero to everyone here and show gaston how wrong he is.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=44Di0HxfNno


Go to about 9 minues.

That is a CR knife. I'd point out, and you can confirm by watching his hundreds of other bids doing the same tests, almost every knife, cheap, or espensive passes that part of the test with ease. Cross battoning a 2x4.

 

[killgar]

Any knife can be broken.

Sweeping and generalized statements offered in the absolute have no place in the world of knives. Like for example, saying that one type of knife is always stronger than another type of knife.

If a person believes that full-tang knives are inherently weak then I would suggest that they not buy full-tang knives.

I'll go out on a limb and assume that the majority of people on this forum (perhaps the vast majority) believe that having a full-tang gives a fixed-blade added strength. So I doubt there is any danger that people visiting this forum will form the opinion that full-tang knives are inherently weak and prone to breakage based on one persons opinion. At least not if they read around a bit, and/or ask people for their opinions on the matter.

 

[FerFAL]

Good post, thanks. Yes, given the rust it must have been a crack alredy on the steel. At first I tought poor HT but Schrade does a good enough job with it in general.
I have a SCHF9 and battoning is the least of the abuse Ive put on that knife. I literally use the spine as a hammer. Often. Its supposed to take it like a champ and it does. Guys, its not some fancy 66RC super steel fragile as glass. Its a quarter inch thick full tang survival knife and it should baton all day long just fine.
Good to see Schrade took care of that for you.
FerFAL

 

[Czechmate]

Duane start a thread in the w&c forum...

Boris is rolling in his tighty whiteys right about now holding his schrade raving angrily.

Broken knives happen, the company stood behind the knife so all is well.... well except for the knife, it is anything but doing well LOL

Awesome summary of the thread so far. :thumbup:


Also, I came across this pic in my search for broken fixed blade & hollow handle knives. I think my true flight thrower is gonna get re-purposed in to a sweet hollow handle setup... :thumbup:

 

[Duane Sanders]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=44Di0HxfNno


Go to about 9 minues.

That is a CR knife. I'd point out, and you can confirm by watching his hundreds of other bids doing the same tests, almost every knife, cheap, or espensive passes that part of the test with ease. Cross battoning a 2x4.

I do not watch YouTube videos, but out of respect for you looking something up I did this time. Thank you for doing someone else's leg work.

That video is one of the reasons I do not watch YouTube videos and I skipped like you said to. People make the same exact mistake in the woods after watching someone one on YouTube doing their "bushcrafting". I seen it right away. Even with a heavy baton striking a blade making an angled cut and the baton is coming straight down, the YouTube expert will get real short working life out of their tool. If the guard wasn't there, when the hammer slid down the spine he would have hit his hand instead of the finger guard and the hand would have broke instead of the blade.

This one is filed under operator defect. Any knife would have failed with straight down force on a blade being used for an angled cut.

I do thank you for finding this. It shows more how not to baton with or across the grain. When you come straight down on an angled blade, while pushing down expect failures. No knife will survive that for long and I have seen people do it.

I love the camera mans reaction!

 

[Bigfattyt]

I do not watch YouTube videos, but out of respect for you looking something up I did this time. Thank you for doing someone else's leg work.

That video is one of the reasons I do not watch YouTube videos and I skipped like you said to. People make the same exact mistake in the woods after watching someone one on YouTube doing their "bushcrafting". I seen it right away. Even with a heavy baton striking a blade making an angled cut and the baton is coming straight down, the YouTube expert will get real short working life out of their tool. If the guard wasn't there, when the hammer slid down the spine he would have hit his hand instead of the finger guard and the hand would have broke instead of the blade.

This one is filed under operator defect. Any knife would have failed with straight down force on a blade being used for an angled cut.

I do thank you for finding this. It shows more how not to baton with or across the grain. When you come straight down on an angled blade, while pushing down expect failures. No knife will survive that for long and I have seen people do it.

I love the camera mans reaction!

Ah, don't assume that video is trying to show proper technique!

His only goal is to see what each knife will take before it breaks!

There is no attempt at proper technique, he smashes his way through with a a sledge hammer.....

He has broken many many many knives, on video, for our entertainment. I've seen him do so much worse to $1,000 plus customs!

The point is he does the same horrible stuff to each knife, and sees how far through the battery of tests they can get!

The point of the video is to see what they can take before breaking. Some knives in that same thickness lasted long, long past cross grain wood batoning, with the same sledge hammer. Most make it through the angle iron, and concrete. Some even make it through clamping in a vice and being hit full force sideways with that same sledge hammer. For 15 plus minutes until he gives up. Those are labeled as "Survivors"

He also batons them through thick steel pipe. Usually cutting through the pipe where there is a weld causes more trouble.

He has destroyed some of the cheapest and most expensive production knives. Some customs too.

None of the abuse is something I would ever do. No one, and I mean no one thinks that guy is showing proper technique. It is destrction, plain and simple.


If would be like watching the vice bend in a smith's JS test, and thinking bending a bowie 90 degrees was a good test to replicate with your bowie. You understand it is a destructive test.



The point showing the expensive hollow handle breaking while pounding it through the cross grain 2×4 was not that it broke. It was that most of the knives he tests survive that portion of the test with flying colors. Even most the cheap, thin knives.

Watch a few more of his videos, and you will see many knives survive that, and tons more (concrete chopping, batoning through angle iron, through heavy steel pipe) side strikes on the handle with the blade in a vice. It is stupid destruction but some of the brands he tests survive mind boggling abuse, and I thicknesses thinner and higher hardness than other knives in much thicker steel.

Busse, even in thinner atock, and running 58-60 RC do fantastic. As do other Busse Kin (swamp rat and scrap yard) in sr101 and s77 steels.

It gets much, much worse than poor baton in technique through wood with a spine mashing maul!

 

[Duane Sanders]

Ah, don't assume that video is trying to show proper technique!

His only goal is to see what each knife will take before it breaks!

Thereally is no proper technique, he smashes with a sledge hammer.....

He has broken many many many knives.

The point of the video is to see what they can take before breaking. Some knives in that same thickness lasted long, long past cross grain wood batoning, with the same sledge hammer. Most make it through the angle iron, and concrete. Some even make it through clamping in a vice and being hit full force sideways with that same sledge hammer. For 15 plus minutes until he gives up. Those are labeled as "Survivors"

He also batons them through thick steel pipe. Usually cutting through the pipe where there is a weld causes more trouble.

He has destroyed some of the cheapest and most expensive production knives. Some customs too.

None of the abuse is something I would ever do. No one, and I mean no one thinks that guy is showing proper technique. It is destrction, plain and simple.


If would be like watching the vice bend in a smith's JS test, and thinking bending a bowie 90 degrees was a good test to replicate with your bowie. You understand it is a destructive test.



The point showing the expensive hollow handle breaking while pounding it through the cross grain 2×4 was not that it broke. It was that most of the knives he tests survive that portion of the test with flying colors. Even most the cheap, thin knives.

Watch a few more of his videos, and you will see many knives survive that, and tons more (concrete chopping, batoning through angle iron, through heavy steel pipe) side strikes on the handle with the blade in a vice. It is stupid destruction but some of the brands he tests survive mind boggling abuse, and I thicknesses thinner and higher hardness than other knives in much thicker steel.

Busse, even in thinner atock, and running 58-60 RC do fantastic. As do other Busse Kin (swamp rat and scrap yard) in sr101 and s77 steels.

It gets much, much worse than poor baton in technique through wood with a spine mashing maul!

Thank you for breaking it all down for me like that. From what I seen is if the spine was struck square on it would have not broke. I'm not going to watch the other videos but since you say he does it to see what they take. He just goes until he does something wrong and the blade breaks.

If he would have done that in the first 30 seconds, the video would have been much shorter.

I do appreciate the informatin you provided. I personally do not see abusing a knife until it breaks as a gauge for what takes more abuse. Once you know what not to do to a knife to break it, you know how to break one quick. I could break anything he has broke in less than a minute.

 

[AntDog]

No, you couldn't. Not in the way he breaks them. ANYBODY can stick a knife in a vise, slip a pipe on it and bust it.

The point was that the knife in the video failed MUCH earlier than others.

 

[Duane Sanders]

No, you couldn't. Not in the way he breaks them. ANYBODY can stick a knife in a vise, slip a pipe on it and bust it.

The point was that the knife in the video failed MUCH earlier than others.

That's a tricky one on your end. If you really believe that you would be perfectly fine sending me your toughest blade since I couldn't break it anyway.

Be sure to include your return address so I can send you the pieces and a short video of the time I had with your knife to you. Won't take up much of my time so I won't mind wasting a minute.

 

[craytab]

I do not watch YouTube videos, but out of respect for you looking something up I did this time. Thank you for doing someone else's leg work.

That video is one of the reasons I do not watch YouTube videos and I skipped like you said to. People make the same exact mistake in the woods after watching someone one on YouTube doing their "bushcrafting". I seen it right away. Even with a heavy baton striking a blade making an angled cut and the baton is coming straight down, the YouTube expert will get real short working life out of their tool. If the guard wasn't there, when the hammer slid down the spine he would have hit his hand instead of the finger guard and the hand would have broke instead of the blade.

This one is filed under operator defect. Any knife would have failed with straight down force on a blade being used for an angled cut.

I do thank you for finding this. It shows more how not to baton with or across the grain. When you come straight down on an angled blade, while pushing down expect failures. No knife will survive that for long and I have seen people do it.

I love the camera mans reaction!

No evidence is as good as Duane's evidence, even when it is wrong!

The statement that a quality hollow handle knife never fails is completely inaccurate and so is defending it. It takes a basic amount of research to prove it is wrong. If you don't believe anything on the internet then why are you here? One word: Boris.

 

[craytab]

That's a tricky one on your end. If you really believe that you would be perfectly fine sending me your toughest blade since I couldn't break it anyway.

Be sure to include your return address so I can send you the pieces and a short video of the time I had with your knife to you. Won't take up much of my time so I won't mind wasting a minute.

He didn't say that. Making stuff up never helps an argument.

 

[AntDog]

That's a tricky one on your end. If you really believe that you would be perfectly fine sending me your toughest blade since I couldn't break it anyway.

Be sure to include your return address so I can send you the pieces and a short video of the time I had with your knife to you. Won't take up much of my time so I won't mind wasting a minute.

Do you even read, bro? Lol.

If you read my post again, and comprehend it, maybe you can reply properly.