The Cinguedea, One of the Most Effective Personal Weapons Of All Time

Five ridges :: five rounds
civilian dagger :: civilian revolver
robust and powerful cutter/stabber :: robust and powerful .357
EDC and self defense in pinch :: ditto

I hereby name my 3" Ruger SP101 "Cinquedea"!

BTW, I'm going to be in Italy for two weeks in the Fall. I'll see how many museums and collections display these marvellous weapons.

Zieg
 
Forged In Fire, cool show, not very practical sometimes.

I'd love to carry a missile launcher, but I don't. I carry a .45 instead.
 
Forged In Fire, cool show, not very practical sometimes.

I'd love to carry a missile launcher, but I don't. I carry a .45 instead.
Well, the .45 IS a missile launcher! Just not the blowy-uppy kind. ;)

The cinquedea looks like a mighty stabber. I shudder to think of the disemboweling a victim would suffer from a twisting stab to the abdomen. Certainly it would be beyond any surgical intervention anyone could expect in its day. You'd see your Venetian cousin go down, slipping in his own entrails and blood faster than you could say, "Arrivederci."

I know the curator speaking to Matt Easton in the museum video says he's only found one depiction of the blade form in period art, but I'm really convinced I've seen several in the painted work of Uccello and in Renaissance tapestries. I'll try to find some online and post them here.

One of the overriding concerns of early modern Europeans was the degree to which they appeared to other members of their social class. Wearing a heavy broadsword in public (side sword, arming sword, etc.) in the age of the cinquedea would have marked a man out as someone who dealt in rough living. A thug heading out for a showdown, a soldier on his way to campaign or guard duty, a mercenary on protection duty, etc. Otherwise, the burgeoning gentle classes were jealous of their public image as people who did not stoop to such rough work. Yes, the knightly classes still existed, and many a young Italian (though Italy as a nation was centuries away) aspired to the life of a condottiere, but you wouldn't dress "tactical" unless actually going to fight. Hence, any weapon would have to attest to the gentleman's status: Highly decorated, well built, fashionable, expensive, and ready to defend the honor of his family neighborhood, and church (often all three, their being intertwined as they were). But not military looking.

Then there's practicality: A moderately affluent baker might own a falchion, grosse messer, or rustic sword, but it's in the house upstairs, not in the bakery and not worn on the hip during working hours. Going to the fair on Saturday? You bet. Pilgrimage? Of course. Visiting the mill for flour? On the floor of the wagon. But these are the sword equivalent of the farmer's shotgun. They get in the way most of the time. Even my well holstered handguns can get in my way when I'm grooming a horse and tacking up. Forget about wearing a sword when I'm working a horse in the arena or roundpen (as an erstwhile reenactor, I've tried!).

So the cinquedea is a really good compromise for these requirements. It is decorative, deadly as all hell, civilian to the core, gentlemanly, easily carried, good backup when fists lead to cudgels and then the chips are down, and drawn early in a showdown terribly menacing. I'm telling you, if I saw Joe Paranee in doublet and hose draw his cinquedea on me in a Genovese tavern circa 1450, I'd be buying Il signore drinks until I scurried back home! :)

To the OP, I say, "Viva la cinquedea!"

Zieg
 
Well, the .45 IS a missile launcher! Just not the blowy-uppy kind. ;)

The cinquedea looks like a mighty stabber. I shudder to think of the disemboweling a victim would suffer from a twisting stab to the abdomen. Certainly it would be beyond any surgical intervention anyone could expect in its day. You'd see your Venetian cousin go down, slipping in his own entrails and blood faster than you could say, "Arrivederci."

I know the curator speaking to Matt Easton in the museum video says he's only found one depiction of the blade form in period art, but I'm really convinced I've seen several in the painted work of Uccello and in Renaissance tapestries. I'll try to find some online and post them here.

One of the overriding concerns of early modern Europeans was the degree to which they appeared to other members of their social class. Wearing a heavy broadsword in public (side sword, arming sword, etc.) in the age of the cinquedea would have marked a man out as someone who dealt in rough living. A thug heading out for a showdown, a soldier on his way to campaign or guard duty, a mercenary on protection duty, etc. Otherwise, the burgeoning gentle classes were jealous of their public image as people who did not stoop to such rough work. Yes, the knightly classes still existed, and many a young Italian (though Italy as a nation was centuries away) aspired to the life of a condottiere, but you wouldn't dress "tactical" unless actually going to fight. Hence, any weapon would have to attest to the gentleman's status: Highly decorated, well built, fashionable, expensive, and ready to defend the honor of his family neighborhood, and church (often all three, their being intertwined as they were). But not military looking.

Then there's practicality: A moderately affluent baker might own a falchion, grosse messer, or rustic sword, but it's in the house upstairs, not in the bakery and not worn on the hip during working hours. Going to the fair on Saturday? You bet. Pilgrimage? Of course. Visiting the mill for flour? On the floor of the wagon. But these are the sword equivalent of the farmer's shotgun. They get in the way most of the time. Even my well holstered handguns can get in my way when I'm grooming a horse and tacking up. Forget about wearing a sword when I'm working a horse in the arena or roundpen (as an erstwhile reenactor, I've tried!).

So the cinquedea is a really good compromise for these requirements. It is decorative, deadly as all hell, civilian to the core, gentlemanly, easily carried, good backup when fists lead to cudgels and then the chips are down, and drawn early in a showdown terribly menacing. I'm telling you, if I saw Joe Paranee in doublet and hose draw his cinquedea on me in a Genovese tavern circa 1450, I'd be buying Il signore drinks until I scurried back home! :)

To the OP, I say, "Viva la cinquedea!"

Zieg


Great post and wonderfully written

Your comments made me smile ...........thank you :)
 

Not very practical sword. If I was XVI c. guy I would rather carry messer. BTW "Forged in fire" is freak show made with annoying american manner.

 
That sword had short time of production and was carried only by people who weren't professional soldiers. It was jewelry or show piece for rich people not a practical weapon. It wasn't even popular outside Italian duchies.

I don't like in American tv shows like "Forged in fire" that they need to do big staged drama around subject. Sorry for hurting you feelings.
 
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Context is everything. It was not a battlefield weapon, and thus would have been silly to carry in that context, which is why it wasn't. Subcompact handguns aren't commonly found in military use, either. In fact, handguns in general are only used by a very limited number of soldiers. That doesn't mean that they aren't an appropriate choice for certain contexts. The cinquedea was a specialized weapon for a specific context of use, which was why it saw limited use. Parroting Lindybeige isn't going to go very far in convincing anyone.
 
That sword had short time of production and was carried only by people who weren't professional soldiers. It was jewelry or show piece for rich people not a practical weapon. It wasn't even popular outside Italian duchies.

I don't like in American tv shows like "Forged in fire" that they need to do big staged drama around subject. Sorry for hurting you feelings.


No one is saying it is not from a period of a rebirth in artistic endeavors and I really do agree that it is not the ultimate defense blade.

What I do take exception with is your rudeness and your insults directed towards Italians and Americans

Yes reality tv shows are meant to garner high ratings but the show has brought the art of the forged blade to the forefront and many of my friends have appeared on it and have benefited from it. So while I don’t care if you like the show or not you have away of expressing your opinion in an offensive way

May I ask what great country you hail from and what light you can shed other than insulting other races and cultures
 
I know it's gonna sound dorky, but there is an Ezio (from Assassin's Creed) figure (an expensive Japanese one) with one of these daggers. Makes sense since it is the appropriate time period. I thought it was just a made up weapon.

Dorky right?
 
[...] and your insults directed towards Italians and Americans [...]

[...] insulting other races and cultures
And where is that insult towards Italians or races in my posts?

Maybe my comment about that show was too sarcastic, but your reaction now is nonsense.
 
The most effective close-quarter weapon of all time is just the simple club and any other bludgeoning implement--whether it's a primitive prehistoric club crudely fashioned out of hardwood, a stone tied to the end of a stick, a baseball bat, a fist, medieval mace, flanged mace, Indian war club, war hammer, spiked mace, chain flails, brass knuckle,..etc etc.... More people have been killed or incapacitated in close quarters throughout history by the simple bludgeoning weapon than any other tool or weapon.
 
So to sum up that sword is for the folks who self identified as mall ninjas but didn't want to deal with their fellows giggling behind their backs.

One of those "What people think I do | What I really do" things even before the net and way before malls were big and ninja's were big business.
 
The most effective close-quarter weapon of all time is just the simple club and any other bludgeoning implement

*cough*

1911

*cough*



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:eek: Blades , bludgeons , and blunderbusses ...and likely many other type weapons, have all been used effectively for " personal " SD / fighting . OP said ONE of the best , not THE best . There is no such animal ! o_O
 
:eek: Blades , bludgeons , and blunderbusses ...and likely many other type weapons, have all been used effectively for " personal " SD / fighting . OP said ONE of the best , not THE best . There is no such animal ! o_O

Was that in answer to my post just above yours ... ?

If so, the forum member I quoted stated: 'THE most effective' ...
... but he aint the OP.
 
Was that in answer to my post just above yours ... ?

If so, the forum member I quoted stated: 'THE most effective' ...
... but he aint the OP.
:) Sorry for the confusion . I generally will quote a post if I'm replying specifically . My comment was made in more general terms .
 
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