The Cinguedea, One of the Most Effective Personal Weapons Of All Time

So I guess the question is... would you feel under armed going up against a guy with a rapier?
Since they were both prevalent at the same time....

Or maybe this was more of a weapon of the untrained masses for protection from the cudgel and short knife crowd?
 
So I guess the question is... would you feel under armed going up against a guy with a rapier?
Since they were both prevalent at the same time....

That depends...
Do I have a shield?
Am I wearing my fancy body armour?
You have to provide all the parameters for your hypothetical scenario. ;)
 
So I guess the question is... would you feel under armed going up against a guy with a rapier?
Since they were both prevalent at the same time....

Or maybe this was more of a weapon of the untrained masses for protection from the cudgel and short knife crowd?

If talking about examples the size of the CS model, then yes, I'd feel under-armed. A rapier is less convenient to carry and not as maneuverable in tight spaces, but if those were non-issues then the rapier will have a significant advantage. The cinquedea, in my opinion, was sort of the snub-nosed revolver of swords. Its job was to cram as much functionality into a compact weapon that was comfortable to carry, but in a strict weapon sense there were better options. However, there were sword-sized cinquedeas and I'd feel well-armed against a rapier with one of those.

72f2c9829519b1576708e78d515343ed--medieval-swords-waffen.jpg
 
In the finale of every episode of FIF, the contestants are charged with recreating an 'iconic weapon from history' and have it tested safely for the benefit of the viewers. I've met some of these guys, and none had a problem with the format, or the judges. There's an awful lot that happens that we don't get to see, like the 2 or 3 hours while the blades temper, so they don't shatter like glass when smacked against a cow-bone. We see an hour, but it takes all day. And I like finding out about ethnic oddities in the cutlery realm, from around the world. Many of these were in common usage for hundreds, or even thousands of years, changing little with the passage of time. Some were not so fortunate. What makes a forgotten Italian short sword any less effective, or interesting, than, say, a Visayan barong?

Think about that for a second, tho. An 'iconic weapon from history.' History goes back a good while, even longer than WRITTEN history, and while we as a species might not have evolved much in that time, weapons design advances much more rapidly, and in fits and starts. Better technology, better metallurgy, advances in other weapons can make any design or tactic obsolete, seemingly overnight. At the very time this 'stupid looking' knife was being developed as an art form, the availability of muzzle loading hand-guns made it a has-been from the end of the Renaissance period. Had fate not intervened, we might today all be carrying a cinquedea, instead of a Buck knife, and calling ourselves swordsmen...
 
I think the op is just making for good conversation on swords which I appreciate

I’ve never been a dagger or double edged sword fan and my primary interest was Japanese style blades but I’ve played with a good Smatchet of late and it really performs well


Smatchet based on SE Asian blade.
 
Cold Steel always wants to thread their tangs. I hate that! I always worry that it's just a $%#@ screw welded to the tang (rat-tail tang, total crapola). I just don't trust it. I'd much rather them peen the tang. At least then you'd know it went all the way through. The Del Tin and almost all the originals had full tangs. That's the way to go.

He said "peen the tang." :D:thumbsup:
 
I was really excited when I first heard that CS was coming out with a cinquedea but unfortunately the rendition they did is kind of at the opposite end of the spectrum from the ones I like best. I would have preferred something more similar in form to these, but with the hilt simplified for obvious reasons:

6193030357_27b6819a9f_b.jpg

I like mine, but I'd rather have seen the more historically common hilt as well. Maybe CS will one day release a Cinquedea II that will be hilted this way. They could just do simple pinned hardwood scales with a steel end cap, and I'd be happy.
 
If talking about examples the size of the CS model, then yes, I'd feel under-armed. A rapier is less convenient to carry and not as maneuverable in tight spaces, but if those were non-issues then the rapier will have a significant advantage. The cinquedea, in my opinion, was sort of the snub-nosed revolver of swords. Its job was to cram as much functionality into a compact weapon that was comfortable to carry, but in a strict weapon sense there were better options. However, there were sword-sized cinquedeas and I'd feel well-armed against a rapier with one of those.

72f2c9829519b1576708e78d515343ed--medieval-swords-waffen.jpg

Preface: I know NOTHING about swords. I mean, I know a tiny amount. Not really NOTHING. But the amount I know about swords could fit into a thimble, with room to spare.

That said, a cinqueda that long and wide looks like it would be awfully heavy for the one hand handle that it has. I would imagine it being unwieldy.
 
JParanee, since you like to display weapons how about having that Cinq engraved? There is a lot of metal to work with and it could look pretty amazing IMO with the right design.
 
Back
Top