the great md ff price hike experiment...

That would be sooo cool to have a daily update on the best price online for a Delica 4...or a Steel Will Cutjack...or a Kershaw Atmos!

That’d be awesome! And also, probably, deal spotting...

I’m editing this because others have suggested that I do so. However, I’m obliged to note that there was no product, dealer or commercial site mentioned or referenced in my post, much less “promoted,” so it didn’t fit the definition of “deal spotting” the mods have provided in the site rules (which were just updated a month ago). By the logic that’s being applied, linking to google.com or youtube.com would also be “deal spotting,” because they can be used for deal spotting. Maybe a mod can ping me with an explanation?
 
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I'm pretty sure that what can't be done directly (deal spotting) can also not be done indirectly (linking to a deal spotting site). You might want to delete that.
 
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I'm pretty sure that what can't be done directly (deal spotting) can also not be done indirectly (linking to a deal spotting site). You might want to delete that.
Yeah, Bro. I was being sarcastic. That type of thread is directly against BF rules. You might want to edit. I was just kinda realizing that threads about MD pricing are kinda reverse deal spotting.
 
I’m editing this because others have suggested that I do so. However, I’m obliged to note that there was no product, dealer or commercial site mentioned or referenced in my post, much less “promoted,” so it didn’t fit the definition of “deal spotting” the mods have provided in the site rules (which were just updated a month ago). By the logic that’s being applied, linking to google.com or youtube.com would also be “deal spotting,” because they can be used for deal spotting. Maybe a mod can ping me with an explanation?
You posted a link to many sales that are not from vendors of this site. The vendors and makers here pay a fee to be apart of the forum and we support them to support the forum.
 
I’m editing this because others have suggested that I do so. However, I’m obliged to note that there was no product, dealer or commercial site mentioned or referenced in my post, much less “promoted,” so it didn’t fit the definition of “deal spotting” the mods have provided in the site rules (which were just updated a month ago). By the logic that’s being applied, linking to google.com or youtube.com would also be “deal spotting,” because they can be used for deal spotting. Maybe a mod can ping me with an explanation?
I’m not a mod (obviously) but will explain my thinking: Asking for knife values with less than a Gold membership is against the rules. If you posted a link to a Medium page where you asked for the value of a knife, instead of asking in the thread, I believe that would also be a no no.
 
yes, the md offer in that thread was $6 more than buying from bladehq (would be $24, a savings of 20%) - I believe it's fair to point it out. Forgive me for wanting to spread true info. I thought some bf people would like to be informed.


I have no problem with spreading true information.

What I dislike is blasting a supporting dealer with a "pricing fails" thread just because a few of their options are pricier than other dealers. Read post #59. Are you going to share this truth for ever supporting dealer, or just when it's MassDrop that has the higher price?

I think a smart buyer doesn't really need threads like this. If they want the lowest price they will seek it out. YMMV
 
Yeah, Bro. I was being sarcastic. That type of thread is directly against BF rules. You might want to edit. I was just kinda realizing that threads about MD pricing are kinda reverse deal spotting.

The best place to post about bad Massdrop pricing is on Massdrop’s discussion page for the item.

You posted a link to many sales that are not from vendors of this site. The vendors and makers here pay a fee to be apart of the forum and we support them to support the forum.

No, I didn’t post any links to any sales. I posted a link to a non-commercial site that aggregates links, which is a big difference. As I stated previously, if linking to a page that has commercial links or advertising on it is against the rules (which is not the case based on the wording of the rule itself), then a link to google or YouTube would be prohibited. So would linking to any of the big knife review blogs/sites, since they all contain affiliate links.

I’m not a mod (obviously) but will explain my thinking: Asking for knife values with less than a Gold membership is against the rules. If you posted a link to a Medium page where you asked for the value of a knife, instead of asking in the thread, I believe that would also be a no no.

It’s against the rules for someone with a basic or registration-only membership to post at all in a “what’s my knife worth” thread (whether creating one or responding), no matter whether there’s a link or not. Fortunately, this isn’t one of those threads.
 
The best place to post about bad Massdrop pricing is on Massdrop’s discussion page for the item.



No, I didn’t post any links to any sales. I posted a link to a non-commercial site that aggregates links, which is a big difference. As I stated previously, if linking to a page that has commercial links or advertising on it is against the rules (which is not the case based on the wording of the rule itself), then a link to google or YouTube would be prohibited. So would linking to any of the big knife review blogs/sites, since they all contain affiliate links.



It’s against the rules for someone with a basic or registration-only membership to post at all in a “what’s my knife worth” thread (whether creating one or responding), no matter whether there’s a link or not. Fortunately, this isn’t one of those threads.
It's against the rules to post unpaid dealer links on this forum. Wouldn't it make sense that posting a link to a different forum that has links to unpaid dealers is against the spirit of the rule?

Also, I think you completely missed the point. What we are saying is that the op is only comparing prices of MD to other dealers because he has an axe to grind with md. If not, then he should be comparing all prices of all knives across our paid dealers. After all, he claimed to be helping bf members. If that is true, he should keep an updated pricing guide for us (as if we can't look prices up ourselves). It was a bit of a joke that I think you took seriously.
 
the issue is massdrop built their reputation & popularity offering large volume purchases and passing on the savings

the reality is they are no longer that company (at least imho)
 
That’s really welcoming considering they recently ponied up to pay for a Dealer level membership here to help support BladeForums.

Good on them for the membership. Doesnt change that I have zero interest in their marketing style.
 
The best place to post about bad Massdrop pricing is on Massdrop’s discussion page for the item.



No, I didn’t post any links to any sales. I posted a link to a non-commercial site that aggregates links, which is a big difference. As I stated previously, if linking to a page that has commercial links or advertising on it is against the rules (which is not the case based on the wording of the rule itself), then a link to google or YouTube would be prohibited. So would linking to any of the big knife review blogs/sites, since they all contain affiliate links.



It’s against the rules for someone with a basic or registration-only membership to post at all in a “what’s my knife worth” thread (whether creating one or responding), no matter whether there’s a link or not. Fortunately, this isn’t one of those threads.
I refer you to my avatar.
 
I have no problem with spreading true information.

What I dislike is blasting a supporting dealer with a "pricing fails" thread just because a few of their options are pricier than other dealers. Read post #59. Are you going to share this truth for ever supporting dealer, or just when it's MassDrop that has the higher price?

I think a smart buyer doesn't really need threads like this. If they want the lowest price they will seek it out. YMMV

I think discussions about how MD prices their “in-house” collaborations is fair game, in the same way the threads about CRKT’s new $750 knife or MAP policies are fair game. If a particular brand has questionable pricing practices for their products, that should be discussed.

But, as you suggest, pointing out every instance where MD sells other brands at higher prices than other retailers is probably not kosher. It never happens to other dealers, and I strongly suspect the reason isn't because of their retail pricing.

It's against the rules to post unpaid dealer links on this forum. Wouldn't it make sense that posting a link to a different forum that has links to unpaid dealers is against the spirit of the rule?

Also, I think you completely missed the point. What we are saying is that the op is only comparing prices of MD to other dealers because he has an axe to grind with md. If not, then he should be comparing all prices of all knives across our paid dealers. After all, he claimed to be helping bf members. If that is true, he should keep an updated pricing guide for us (as if we can't look prices up ourselves). It was a bit of a joke that I think you took seriously.

For part 1: the rule says "A dealer who does not have a paid subscription is not allowed to advertise in any way, shape, or form. In the past, dealers have used 'shill' accounts to promote themselves & their products; as a result we've limited all dealer advertising to The Exchange or registered Dealers with active paid subscriptions." The stated intent of the rule is to prevent unpaid dealers from advertising themselves or their products. Realistically, "advertise in any way, shape, or form" and "promote themselves & their products" are incredibly broad, and would potentially include any discussion of products and brands that aren't paid sponsors, since there's no way to definitively know whether a thread about a particular knife is shill advertising or not. But, in practice, it's been applied to restrict commercial links from unpaid dealers, which is pretty straightforward. As I said, linking to a site that has links to commercial sites (from both paid and unpaid dealers; one of the current top posts on that site is about the anniversary sale of a very prominent Bladeforums sponsor) is not really advertising or promoting a product or dealer. If the mods want to ban linking to sites that link to commercial sites, that’s their prerogative, but it’s over-inclusive. If they want to say “no linking to aggregating sites,” then they can say that, too. If @Spark wants, I'll even do some pro bono legal work and help revise them [I'm an in-house corporate attorney, part of my job is writing policies and procedures for a Fortune 1000 company].

For part 2: Posting the link was meant to be tongue-in-cheek. That said, I think it's perfectly fair to discuss Massdrop's pricing as a "knife producer" (i.e. for their own collaborations), which is where this thread started, but not to single them out as a retailer for pricing on other brands' products (as OP has done in other threads). There was a multi-page thread around New Year's that discussed impending price increases from Benchmade and Spyderco, and there was no issue with that discussion, nor in countless other threads about manufacturer pricing.

I refer you to my avatar.
Maybe because your analogy to the "what's it worth" rule isn't really that useful... But I'll work with it. For reference, the sticky on that rule. The rule is intended to keep people from asking about values as a way to indirectly solicit offers to buy their item. If someone posted a link to their blog post that was seeking the value of an item, it could be seen as a way for that person to still drive traffic to the item in an attempt to solicit offers, and would likely be a violation of the rule. But, posting a link to a blog as a general resource is likely not a violation, barring something that indicates it's specifically meant to try to sell something without proper credentials. Posting a specific item for sale on ebay is deal spotting, linking to ebay's homepage isn't.
seh6p
 
I looked at both those knives yesterday and I wouldn't pay $80 for the nice one.

It's got nothing, no zip, no pizzazz, no nothing.

It's just about the meh-ist think I've ever seen. It's like a knife for people who are super into keyboard customizing and mechanical pencils, and have a big velvet lined EDC valet case next to their bed. They'll get a 5 of each and put them on display next to 5 custom zippos and 5 screw together pill canisters, and 5 silk hankies.

I don't have any issues with Massdrop but that knife is full do not want.
 
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They did the same with the Laconico Keen, bumping the price on the latest drop. They're trying to price correct on their more popular models.

I already have all of the flavors of those that I want, so I don't have a dog in this particular hunt, but I recommend that everyone speak with their $'s. I have been mostly happy with their pricing on the knives I've liked, but opted to pass on the FF Mordax because it felt like they were REALLY pushing the price point on it.

I like the MD concept, but they continue to have growing pains as they chart this territory. Regardless of any of my grievances with MD, I'll thank them for bringing this idea of midtech collabs at a more reasonable price to the market.

If MD pisses enough of us off, it will just open up an opportunity for competition, which is never bad for us.
 
I think discussions about how MD prices their “in-house” collaborations is fair game, in the same way the threads about CRKT’s new $750 knife or MAP policies are fair game. If a particular brand has questionable pricing practices for their products, that should be discussed.

But, as you suggest, pointing out every instance where MD sells other brands at higher prices than other retailers is probably not kosher. It never happens to other dealers, and I strongly suspect the reason isn't because of their retail pricing.



For part 1: the rule says "A dealer who does not have a paid subscription is not allowed to advertise in any way, shape, or form. In the past, dealers have used 'shill' accounts to promote themselves & their products; as a result we've limited all dealer advertising to The Exchange or registered Dealers with active paid subscriptions." The stated intent of the rule is to prevent unpaid dealers from advertising themselves or their products. Realistically, "advertise in any way, shape, or form" and "promote themselves & their products" are incredibly broad, and would potentially include any discussion of products and brands that aren't paid sponsors, since there's no way to definitively know whether a thread about a particular knife is shill advertising or not. But, in practice, it's been applied to restrict commercial links from unpaid dealers, which is pretty straightforward. As I said, linking to a site that has links to commercial sites (from both paid and unpaid dealers; one of the current top posts on that site is about the anniversary sale of a very prominent Bladeforums sponsor) is not really advertising or promoting a product or dealer. If the mods want to ban linking to sites that link to commercial sites, that’s their prerogative, but it’s over-inclusive. If they want to say “no linking to aggregating sites,” then they can say that, too. If @Spark wants, I'll even do some pro bono legal work and help revise them [I'm an in-house corporate attorney, part of my job is writing policies and procedures for a Fortune 1000 company].

For part 2: Posting the link was meant to be tongue-in-cheek. That said, I think it's perfectly fair to discuss Massdrop's pricing as a "knife producer" (i.e. for their own collaborations), which is where this thread started, but not to single them out as a retailer for pricing on other brands' products (as OP has done in other threads). There was a multi-page thread around New Year's that discussed impending price increases from Benchmade and Spyderco, and there was no issue with that discussion, nor in countless other threads about manufacturer pricing.

Maybe because your analogy to the "what's it worth" rule isn't really that useful... But I'll work with it. For reference, the sticky on that rule. The rule is intended to keep people from asking about values as a way to indirectly solicit offers to buy their item. If someone posted a link to their blog post that was seeking the value of an item, it could be seen as a way for that person to still drive traffic to the item in an attempt to solicit offers, and would likely be a violation of the rule. But, posting a link to a blog as a general resource is likely not a violation, barring something that indicates it's specifically meant to try to sell something without proper credentials. Posting a specific item for sale on ebay is deal spotting, linking to ebay's homepage isn't.
seh6p

And there you have it.
 
In the week since the thread started
28 gent and 32 gent select have been sold. In the drop model, like this,
I wonder if lower sales is due to pricing increase or that the target market purchase in a previous drop.

The Keen was priced higher for second drop and sold out.
 
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