THE Hollow Handle Knife Thread

Perhaps a deep sleep induced by pills, when potential dangers are around could be a hazard :confused:

Wow
 
TAH said:
Well, you wouldn't want to take it if it wasn't necessary, but something like Tylenol PM only last 6 hours. If I was in pain and needed rest, you bet I'd take it.



This isn't relative.
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Yes it is. That was Gaston' s comment on why a hollow handle was good. He said you could attach them to the sheath but....... I take a small kit with me that has pills in it but there is no way that much stuff is fitting in a handle. It goes nicely in a cargo pocket, on a belt, pack, or sheath though.
 
craytab said:
And it can only be put in the handle of your huge survival knife?
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I meant this comment is not relative to my post #2430...

craytab said:
I take a small kit with me that has pills in it but there is no way that much stuff is fitting in a handle. It goes nicely in a cargo pocket, on a belt, pack, or sheath though.
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...nor is this one, but I understand what you're saying.
 
I don't know about sleeping pills, but I do have painkillers in my hollow handle kits. Anybody that would question the value of painkillers in an emergency in the wilderness is being ridiculous. Half the time, I will take a couple before I go to sleep on just a regular backpacking trip, if I've been over rough terrain.

As far as just in the pocket, there are undeniable benefits to having valuable items in a waterproof, crush proof handle on a heavy web belt that can't easily be torn off. I have had pockets ripped open in the woods before without even realizing it, losing matches, ferro rods, and small compasses, to name a few things. That was all in one shot.

If people don't want a hollow handle knife, don't buy one. But don't try to convince people they have no value. Not all of them are "huge" either.

And as far as the ridiculous old "strength" argument, I know for a fact I would have a far easier time getting the handle off of many, many full tang knives before you got the stainless steel handle off of one of my knives, or several other makers. Some people just like to argue.

Sam Wilson
 
I do carry Advils in their container in a pocket, when I go out and sense a headache might be coming, and frankly the jiggling in most containers gets quite annoying all day long...

10-12 on them in the Colin Cox only take up about 25% of the available space, but, for most hollow handles, 5-6 is more like it to leave room for fire-making, tinder, safety pins, fishing gear and other items... 6 is what my Lile "Mission" is carrying on top of all these, plus a 60 hour endurance Muyshondt Maus Mk I... The sheath is for rope and the Thermal blanket.

As for sleeping through a rescue attempt, at least at night that is unlikely...

Of course you can load your pockets (and belt) with stuff, and I do (especially water on the belt, the Lifestraw and bug repellent), but it can quickly get cumbersome, and you do sometimes get those tiresome repetitive noises... As for biking with a backpack, I'd rather stay home...: There is not much point in a bike rack bag either, since I leave the bike behind when going into the woods for day hikes.

Gaston
 
Tom also made a good point-if you magically appeared to the "average" person in the wilderness in the middle of a "survival situation," I would venture that most, if not almost all, would gladly take a hollow handle knife filled with firestarting and pain relief supplies over just a full tang chopper or similar knife. Most people aren't hung up about "absolute strength" of knives like many that live to debate this stuff on forums. I have spoken with hundreds of them in person and around the world via email. Many are customers and/or friends. Very rarely do they even express concern about the "strength" of HH knives. They've seen me doing chin ups on the handle of mine, what more do you need? Knives cut, not demo houses or serve as exercise machines.

The other thing is if you go look up stories of stranded or lost hikers, many of them don't even have knives. The ones that do never mention chopping down the forest, not that I have read anyway. They do talk about pain, exposure, hunger, thirst, injury, and using things like lighters and flashlights. I don't see where just a full tang knife would have bettered their situation on its' own. You can build shelters with HH knives just fine, too.

Sam :thumbup:
 
I think hh knives are awesome. I never had one, but I've always wanted a good one. Drooled over CRKs and Randals forever and I love seeing all the variety in this thread.

Doesn't change anything about some of the silly justifications for them, imo. I don't see any NEED for them, just that they can work fine and are interesting.

I guess if I was dropped out of a helicopter into wilderness in nothing but a loin-cloth with a knife down the crotch, I'd prefer a hh with some survival paraphernalia in it (other than an alternative)...but that's just my take.

Then we have Gaston444...what an interesting mind!
 
Sam Wilson said:
Tom also made a good point-if you magically appeared to the "average" person in the wilderness in the middle of a "survival situation," I would venture that most, if not almost all, would gladly take a hollow handle knife filled with firestarting and pain relief supplies over just a full tang chopper or similar knife. Most people aren't hung up about "absolute strength" of knives like many that live to debate this stuff on forums. I have spoken with hundreds of them in person and around the world via email. Many are customers and/or friends. Very rarely do they even express concern about the "strength" of HH knives. They've seen me doing chin ups on the handle of mine, what more do you need? Knives cut, not demo houses or serve as exercise machines.

The other thing is if you go look up stories of stranded or lost hikers, many of them don't even have knives. The ones that do never mention chopping down the forest, not that I have read anyway. They do talk about pain, exposure, hunger, thirst, injury, and using things like lighters and flashlights. I don't see where just a full tang knife would have bettered their situation on its' own. You can build shelters with HH knives just fine, too.

Sam :thumbup:
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My point exactly, Sam. Thanks!
 
If I am carrying a survival knife, I will be carrying a backpack with all the goodies I need as well. There will not be a time when I am in a survival situation with a SK and just the clothes on my back. Unless I wandered off from camp to use the facilities and fell in a ravine and broke my leg, maybe? I dont think painkillers or sleeping aid will be priority in this situation. Most of us cant get our hands on the stuff that will relieve the pain of a broken leg.
 
Gaston444 said:
Most critics of Hollow Handle Survival Knives would not be able to answer the following basic question:

-What is the most important thing a Survival Knife can offer?

Most Bushcraft types would answer fire, and the related "wood processing" (usually involving hitting on it with a stick), then maybe further down traps and dressing...

Wrong. It's sleep. Exhaustion is the big killer, and it also multiplies the likelihood of injury on rough terrain... You can try putting pain-killing sleeping pills on the sheath, but the handle really is a natural place...

Gaston
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The most important thing a knife can offer is cutting things.
It what the damn things were invented for.
Gah!!!!
 
HH knives are cool and all but to act like they are inherently better is a little hard to swallow.
 
craytab said:
HH knives are cool and all but to act like they are inherently better is a little hard to swallow.
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Because they aren't.
The only thing they're better at is putting stuff in the handle.
If that's something you want, then they're good at that.

I don't like the round handles on most of them.
I don't like round handles, hollow or otherwise.
 
stabman said:
Because they aren't.
The only thing they're better at is putting stuff in the handle.
If that's something you want, then they're good at that.

I don't like the round handles on most of them.
I don't like round handles, hollow or otherwise.
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Good points and nor do I.
 
I don't recall anyone (other than maybe Gaston) saying they're definitively better knives all around. But for emergencies, they definitely are better at providing more supplies than a knife with no built-in storage.

As far as cutting things, I'll gladly take a properly ground HH knife over a full tang sharpened pry bar any day. If you don't want want a HH knife, don't buy one. It's very simple. But the benefits they do offer are hardly up for debate.

If you don't want those benefits, then again, don't buy or carry one. Or spend time in a thread all about them. I don't understand the cycle of the HH detractors. Lol, whatever.

Sam :thumbup:
 
Sam Wilson said:
I don't recall anyone (other than maybe Gaston) saying they're definitively better knives all around. But for emergencies, they definitely are better at providing more supplies than a knife with no built-in storage.

As far as cutting things, I'll gladly take a properly ground HH knife over a full tang sharpened pry bar any day. If you don't want want a HH knife, don't buy one. It's very simple. But the benefits they do offer are hardly up for debate.

If you don't want those benefits, then again, don't buy or carry one. Or spend time in a thread all about them. I don't understand the cycle of the HH detractors. Lol, whatever.

Sam :thumbup:
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Other than the round handles (which I hate), I am not a detractor of HH knives.
I have fond memories of thinking how they were going to help me survive in the woods as a teenager. :)

But then Gaston goes and posts how sleeping pills are the benefit of HH knives; that is just plain silly. :D

BTW, my only remaining HH knife is both a "sharpened pry bar" AND it has a round handle.
It combines the horrid cutting performance of bad edge geometry with the awful chopping performance of a handle that rolls.
But I could fit enough pills in the handle for one hell of a party. :thumbup:

If it weren't for the nostalgia factor, it would have been sold to the pawn shop.
Here it is in all its glory:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...s-and-a-Hike-With-Both-Crappy-and-Good-Knives
 
I actually plan on making a hollow handle knife with a regular shaped handle at some point...with handle slabs too. :)
It won't fit as much stuff in it as some others, and will be mostly be made just because I feel like it.

It will fit some pills though; perhaps not much else. ;)
 
stabman said:
Other than the round handles (which I hate), I am not a detractor of HH knives.
I have fond memories of thinking how they were going to help me survive in the woods as a teenager. :)

But then Gaston goes and posts how sleeping pills are the benefit of HH knives; that is just plain silly. :D

BTW, my only remaining HH knife is both a "sharpened pry bar" AND it has a round handle.
It combines the horrid cutting performance of bad edge geometry with the awful chopping performance of a handle that rolls.
But I could fit enough pills in the handle for one hell of a party. :thumbup:

If it weren't for the nostalgia factor, it would have been sold to the pawn shop.
Here it is in all its glory:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...s-and-a-Hike-With-Both-Crappy-and-Good-Knives
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This I agree with 100%. I also agree they are not for everybody. And I also agree (I'm a pretty agreeable guy) that Gaston is a real "special" guy. He and I have gone back and forth a time or two, and unfortunately for him he always ends with the short end of the stick, mainly due to living in a bizarro fantasyland and carrying 10" of hardened steel in a tubsock down his pants (not sure what's really happening there...).

I love the looks of the Buckmaster also, but it's almost as though they couldn't have made it perform worse if they tried. Every checkbox with a negative trait on that knife was pretty much checked off during its' design. But it sure does look cool, lol. Thanks for the pics and post.

Sam :thumbup:
 
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