The kinda unspecified CRK talk thread.

Kettleman said:
So while scouring the market looking for my precious, I ran across 2 incredibly [ redacted ] people. The first was the [ redacted ] that thought doing this to an amazing and rare knife was a good idea, and the second the [ redacted ] that bought it.

This was a late 2011 or early 12 OP Zaan. A transition knife spanning the bridge between OP and current. What a [ redacted ] waste! I looked for almost 7 years for this knife before giving up and settling on mine.

/rant


EDIT: Let me clarify, folks can do what ever they want with their knives and everyone has different tastes, my issue is the knife they ruined in the name of creative expression.

EDIT 2: Redacted to stay within family friendly boundaries …sorry.






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I cannot recall ever seeing a modded CRK and thinking I like that. Often times, like in this case, I think…yikes, why would they do that? I’m not offended by it but I don’t get the modding thing.
 
Mustacheben said:
From what I understand they make them in batches. first in, first out or in the order the orders were received from dealers. The market fluctuates from quarter to quarter as well. Right now you can’t find a PJ 31 but in 6 months that might be all you will find and there will be no inlay’s in stock anywhere. From what I’ve seen the last few months the majority of the releases have been exclusives, inlay both wood and Micarta. I’m guessing you will see some in the next few months. Granted, they still sell out very quickly. Also, they absolutely can not keep up with the market demand, that is why Lead times are in the 3-6 year mark if you order direct from them. Best bet is to sign up for in stock notifications from all or most of the dealers they list on their website. I hope you find one soon!
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I got mine. I just think it's crazy right now. They are on ebay for close to 1100$ :oops:

 
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I moved my reply to this thread so as not to make a mess of the other one.
Kettleman said:
Because Chris retired before the 31 was developed. I don't believe the ceramic ball/ tang lock interface is compatible with the pivot bushing if you want true Sebenza smoothness.
Im not calling the 31 a bad knife in anyway. It’s just not a Chris Reeve Sebenza. The original Sebenza died/evolved at the 21 when he followed his design to the next level and created the 25 and than finished it with the Inkosi.

The 31 is the company trying to stay relevant with new models/features, showing they are fine after Chris, but it will always be the Sebenza PC ( post Chris) to me. Ive own/owned several and will own more, its a great knife in its own right and you all know I am a CRK fan thru and thru but this is my honest opinion and worth exactly what you paid for it.
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I don’t totally agree with you, based on a Seb 31 sample size of uno (and a number of 21s). So let’s have a big flame war !!! That is what the internet is all about 😂! The following is my opinion and worth every penny you pay for it.

I think an update around 31 years (28?, 32?) would have happened, Chris or no Chris. I agree Tim and Anne needed to do it to show they could continue the brand without Chris but it seems inevitable anyway. The iconic sebenza wasn’t going away and I don’t think they would just keep producing the 21 perpetually. Updating a model like the Sebenza is a sales driven thing, to stay relevant, and also a chance to make manufacturing more efficient (cheaper).

I would think the ceramic interface is less labor intensive and more consistent than manually carburizing the lock face on the 21. It’s an evolution in manufacturing as much as it is in knife design, including on the 25 and Inkosi. Would Chris have made that change to the Sebenza? Seems logical, but we’ll never know for sure. If he thought it was incompatible with the bushing, I kinda doubt Tim and Anne would have done it (pure speculation). Mechanically, I cannot think of why the ceramic ball would not be compatible with the bushing, but I’ll have to think more about that.

My son’s 31 is less than a year in his pocket, but carried every day. It’s a fraction (minuscule) less smooth than my current carry, a decade old 21. I think it’s only a matter of time until it’s just as smooth. We’ll see. The 31 does seem to take longer to break in due to higher lockbar tension and ceramic ball.

You may now commence the name calling 🤪
 
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rishma said:
Kettleman Kettleman
I moved my reply to this thread so as not to make a mess of the other one.

I don’t totally agree with you, based on a Seb 31 sample size of uno (and a number of 21s). So let’s have a big flame war !!! That is what the internet is all about 😂! The following is my opinion and worth every penny you pay for it.

I think an update around 31 years (28?, 32?) would have happened, Chris or no Chris. I agree Tim and Anne needed to do it to show they could continue the brand without Chris but it seems inevitable anyway. The iconic sebenza wasn’t going away and I don’t think they would just keep producing the 21 perpetually. Updating a model like the Sebenza is a sales driven thing, to stay relevant, and also a chance to make manufacturing more efficient (cheaper).

I would think the ceramic interface is less labor intensive and more consistent than manually carburizing the lock face on the 21. It’s an evolution in manufacturing as much as it is in knife design, including on the 25 and Inkosi. Would Chris have made that change to the Sebenza? Seems logical, but we’ll never know for sure. If he thought it was incompatible with the bushing, I kinda doubt Tim and Anne would have done it (pure speculation). Mechanically, I cannot think of why the ceramic ball would not be compatible with the bushing, but I’ll have to think more about that.

My son’s 31 is less than a year in his pocket, but carried every day. It’s a fraction (minuscule) less smooth than my current carry, a decade old 21. I think it’s only a matter of time until it’s just as smooth. We’ll see. The 31 does seem to take longer to break in due to higher lockbar tension and ceramic ball.

You may now commence the name calling 🤪
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The only name I'll call you is Friend! Great response and I completely agree with many of your points. You may very well be correct in that the 31s will eventually breaking to what we all think of as Sebenz smoothness. I believe you are right on about the lockbar tension and ball. That is what I was trying to say in my ham fisted way.
I also agree the 31 must be much more labor friendly produce and likely the reason for the change.

Where we will disagree is the 31 happening on Chris's watch. I believe he took the Senenza as far as he wanted it to go. What would have been next, that we will never know but I feel it would not have been a Sebeanza. Perhaps a continuation of the Inkosi or a completely new knife? I think the 21 would have just been called the Sebenza and sold along side the new offerings as the Iconic CRK knife even if the world thought it was dated.

Its fun to think about these things and have a polite conversation even if we have disagreements so that you!

I need to be better like you and move my responses to appropriate threads. I am afraid I make our friend Lone_Wolfe Lone_Wolfe crazy clogging up her anticipation thread!

Have a great day!
 
Kettleman said:
Im not calling the 31 a bad knife in anyway. It’s just not a Chris Reeve Sebenza. The original Sebenza died/evolved at the 21 when he followed his design to the next level and created the 25 and than finished it with the Inkosi.
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I'm not sure I'm understanding this correctly. It seems like you are saying the pinnacle of the Chris Reeve Sebenza is the Inkosi. Is this correct? I know I prefer my Inkosi to my Sebenza.
 
TimButterfield said:
I'm not sure I'm understanding this correctly. It seems like you are saying the pinnacle of the Chris Reeve Sebenza is the Inkosi. Is this correct? I know I prefer my Inkosi to my Sebenza.
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It’s exactly what I believe. I am of the opinion that the Inkosi is the final chapter of the Sebenza, that Chris looked at his Umnumzaan and saw where the Sebenza should go and 5 years later the 25 was born. I believe it was sales that kept the 21 in the line up so to not rob sales from the Sebenza he refined the 25 even farther and the Inkosi was the finished product.

He retired less than 18 months after that so one can say that the 25 was the last Sebenza as its the last one the Father of the Sebenza designed.

Again all speculation and opinion, but hey its the internet!
 
Kettleman said:
It’s exactly what I believe. I am of the opinion that the Inkosi is the final chapter of the Sebenza, that Chris looked at his Umnumzaan and saw where the Sebenza should go and 5 years later the 25 was born. I believe it was sales that kept the 21 in the line up so to not rob sales from the Sebenza he refined the 25 even farther and the Inkosi was the finished product.

He retired less than 18 months after that so one can say that the 25 was the last Sebenza as its the last one the Father of the Sebenza designed.

Again all speculation and opinion, but hey its the internet!
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Thanks for clarifying. I appreciate it.

It's not just from this, but I've finally made a decision. The large Inkosi will be the one I get multiples of. As a start, it will be the current magnacut version, but with different color micarta for each blade. I have the natural for my tanto. I'll get the red linen for the drop point (from KSF). To finish the set, I'll get the black for the insingo. By coincidence, that will also match with my black micarta Sebenza insingo.

I've been properly enabled. Thank you for your service. 🤣
 
TimButterfield said:
Thanks for clarifying. I appreciate it.

It's not just from this, but I've finally made a decision. The large Inkosi will be the one I get multiples of. As a start, it will be the current magnacut version, but with different color micarta for each blade. I have the natural for my tanto. I'll get the red linen for the drop point (from KSF). To finish the set, I'll get the black for the insingo. By coincidence, that will also match with my black micarta Sebenza insingo.

I've been properly enabled. Thank you for your service. 🤣
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I live to serve!
 
TimButterfield said:
Thanks for clarifying. I appreciate it.

It's not just from this, but I've finally made a decision. The large Inkosi will be the one I get multiples of. As a start, it will be the current magnacut version, but with different color micarta for each blade. I have the natural for my tanto. I'll get the red linen for the drop point (from KSF). To finish the set, I'll get the black for the insingo. By coincidence, that will also match with my black micarta Sebenza insingo.

I've been properly enabled. Thank you for your service. 🤣
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I too am starting an inkosi collection. I plan on eventually getting one of each blade variation, a micarta version or two and eventually a WC version. As of now I have dp and tanto pj and a cf tanto. Also plan on mixing a few 25’s in there.

I also really like the small Sebbies and plan on collecting them as well. More 21’s than 31’s though.
 
Kettleman said:
The only name I'll call you is Friend! Great response and I completely agree with many of your points. You may very well be correct in that the 31s will eventually breaking to what we all think of as Sebenz smoothness. I believe you are right on about the lockbar tension and ball. That is what I was trying to say in my ham fisted way.
I also agree the 31 must be much more labor friendly produce and likely the reason for the change.

Where we will disagree is the 31 happening on Chris's watch. I believe he took the Senenza as far as he wanted it to go. What would have been next, that we will never know but I feel it would not have been a Sebeanza. Perhaps a continuation of the Inkosi or a completely new knife? I think the 21 would have just been called the Sebenza and sold along side the new offerings as the Iconic CRK knife even if the world thought it was dated.

Its fun to think about these things and have a polite conversation even if we have disagreements so that you!

I need to be better like you and move my responses to appropriate threads. I am afraid I make our friend Lone_Wolfe Lone_Wolfe crazy clogging up her anticipation thread!

Have a great day!
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Alas, your alternate future is just as reasonable as mine. Lamest flame war ever…

I’m glad you picked up on my tongue in cheek sarcasm. Tone is hard on the internet
 
mitchnola said:
I too am starting an inkosi collection. I plan on eventually getting one of each blade variation, a micarta version or two and eventually a WC version. As of now I have dp and tanto pj and a cf tanto. Also plan on mixing a few 25’s in there.

I also really like the small Sebbies and plan on collecting them as well. More 21’s than 31’s though.
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What does WC refer to?

I have the small Sebenza drop point with the box elder burl. It's a really pretty knife that I sometimes pocket carry in the sheath. But, the more time I spend with it, I'm not sure I like needing the lanyard to have a grip for my pinky. The large are just more comfortable in my hand. Maybe, some day, I'll swap that small Seb for a Mnandi, hopefully in Magnacut, unless I cave and get a damascus first. 🤣
 
TimButterfield said:
What does WC refer to?

I have the small Sebenza drop point with the box elder burl. It's a really pretty knife that I sometimes pocket carry in the sheath. But, the more time I spend with it, I'm not sure I like needing the lanyard to have a grip for my pinky. The large are just more comfortable in my hand. Maybe, some day, I'll swap that small Seb for a Mnandi, hopefully in Magnacut, unless I cave and get a damascus first. 🤣
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WC is for the wilson combat version.

I don’t mind 3 finger knives for the trade off of having a small knife in the pocket. Agreed though that they need a lanyard. I’ve recently grown to like the usefulness of a lanyard in pulling the knife out of the pocket so that’s not a problem for me.
 
mitchnola said:
WC is for the wilson combat version.

I don’t mind 3 finger knives for the trade off of having a small knife in the pocket. Agreed though that they need a lanyard. I’ve recently grown to like the usefulness of a lanyard in pulling the knife out of the pocket so that’s not a problem for me.
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Thanks for that info. Another model to research. 🤣

One issue with me and a 3 finger small Seb is that I also have a Spyderco Chaparral. It is shorter in both blade and handle lengths and, even with the Spydie hole, can fit in the small Seb sheath (with a slight squeeze). Because it makes use of a finger choil, I have a secure 4 finger grip with it, no lanyard needed. The blade edge is certainly longer on the Seb, but the lack of a secure grip reduces the usability of that extra length for me. If my index finger could be near the pivot, it would be a 4 finger grip, but putting the index finger back at the lug cutout prevents that. The Seb is certainly better/heavier constructed. But, for a small knife, the Chap is a great slicer.
 
TimButterfield said:
Thanks for that info. Another model to research. 🤣

One issue with me and a 3 finger small Seb is that I also have a Spyderco Chaparral. It is shorter in both blade and handle lengths and, even with the Spydie hole, can fit in the small Seb sheath (with a slight squeeze). Because it makes use of a finger choil, I have a secure 4 finger grip with it, no lanyard needed. The blade edge is certainly longer on the Seb, but the lack of a secure grip reduces the usability of that extra length for me. If my index finger could be near the pivot, it would be a 4 finger grip, but putting the index finger back at the lug cutout prevents that. The Seb is certainly better/heavier constructed. But, for a small knife, the Chap is a great slicer.
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I’d also recommend checking out the spyderco lil native for a small knife. Love em
 
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