The kinda unspecified CRK talk thread.

I was watching a few videos and heard the creators say S45VN would be the steel for awhile. Also that it would be years (some saying 5 or more) before Magnacut made it into full swing.

Those videos were all1-3 years ago. Pretty surprised where we are at currently. It seems like production has almost entirely switched over by now.
 
I was watching a few videos and heard the creators say S45VN would be the steel for awhile. Also that it would be years (some saying 5 or more) before Magnacut made it into full swing.

Those videos were all1-3 years ago. Pretty surprised where we are at currently. It seems like production has almost entirely switched over by now.

Around the same time that the Magnacut switch began there was lots of talk of CRK adding equipment and employees to increase their production abilities to better keep up with demand. I'd be lying if I said I didn't seek out some job postings but the pay didn't justify a move to Idaho. Maybe this is a sign that they have been successful in that growth and went through the S45VN stock faster than anticipated because of it.
 
Around the same time that the Magnacut switch began there was lots of talk of CRK adding equipment and employees to increase their production abilities to better keep up with demand. I'd be lying if I said I didn't seek out some job postings but the pay didn't justify a move to Idaho. Maybe this is a sign that they have been successful in that growth and went through the S45VN stock faster than anticipated because of it.
Ah yes you’re right. I remember Tim mentioning that in a video. Been loving the quality coming out from them too.
 
I was disappointed that S45VN was short lived. I have a Mnandi and Back Packer with it. It would have been nice to find one I would really want in S45VN.
Really? Did you like it better than S35VN? I liked S35VN better personally. For me the edge retention increase wasn't much over S35VN, and the corrosion resistance of S35VN was never a problem for me. So in the end you just lose out on a bit of toughness and I found S45VN notably more frustrating to sharpen.
 
Really? Did you like it better than S35VN? I liked S35VN better personally. For me the edge retention increase wasn't much over S35VN, and the corrosion resistance of S35VN was never a problem for me. So in the end you just lose out on a bit of toughness and I found S45VN notably more frustrating to sharpen.

Not really, since most of what I have is S35VN. At this point in my knife adventures, I’m selective on what is out there. I haven’t sharpened S45VN yet, but the time will come. S45VN was just something different. The only other knife I have in S45VN is a Spyderco which I haven’t found it to be too frustrating to sharpen. Got a ton of knives in M390 and now it seems like everything is Magnacut.
 
Not really, since most of what I have is S35VN. At this point in my knife adventures, I’m selective on what is out there. I haven’t sharpened S45VN yet, but the time will come. S45VN was just something different. The only other knife I have in S45VN is a Spyderco which I haven’t found it to be too frustrating to sharpen. Got a ton of knives in M390 and now it seems like everything is Magnacut.
Yeah this is what people were warning about when Magnacut was first hitting the market. It was the same story with S30V, amazing at first (still amazing as a knife steel), but when it gets oversaturated it becomes too commonplace to be excited about. Basically the same idea as good song playing on the radio, first couple times it's still nice to listen to but after the 300th time you just want something else.

I think it might be awhile before Magnacut is phased out however. But who knows maybe in 10 years there will be some other "Super-Slice Premium+" that will be out that will require a paid monthly subscription to stay sharp.
 
I think Magnacut's prominence has been driven by the fact that it was formulated by an already well-respected member of the knife community who also happens to be a PhD metallurgist. If it was just the next new formulation from Bohler, Crucible, or Carpenter with a more standard name (Tetramax, M430, CTS-304P etc.) I don't think people would be as excited about it and it would at least have taken a lot longer to catch on but maybe never taken over the market like Magnacut has.

I have no issue with it and think Magnacut is a great steel to take that place in the market, but I've always been supportive of more variety from makers. I'd be a buyer for a Sebenza in Cruwear, M4, K390, or ZDP-189. Not that I'd expect CRK to follow the Spyderco model and offer existing models in a variety of steels, but it would be nice to see someone do it besides Spyderco.
 
I’ve been out of the hobby for some years. Always had my collection but haven’t been buying/selling/ and apparently reading up on changes. I’ve always had 21s and now I see 31s. I did a little research on the differences, I guess I’m asking for some opinions from the older collectors that really love their 21s.
Are the 31s the same overall feel? Is it a true replacement in your opinions?
Thanks for any feedback.
 
I’ve been out of the hobby for some years. Always had my collection but haven’t been buying/selling/ and apparently reading up on changes. I’ve always had 21s and now I see 31s. I did a little research on the differences, I guess I’m asking for some opinions from the older collectors that really love their 21s.
Are the 31s the same overall feel? Is it a true replacement in your opinions?
Thanks for any feedback.
My humble opinion is that the 31 is no where close to a 21. Build quality or action. And I have a number of CRK’s. 😁
 
My humble opinion is that the 31 is no where close to a 21. Build quality or action. And I have a number of CRK’s. 😁
That seems to be the sentiment from some of the YouTube videos I watched as well. Most the videos were older that I watched, have the 31s improved over the years? Are they perfecting them lately?
 
My humble opinion is that the 31 is no where close to a 21. Build quality or action. And I have a number of CRK’s. 😁
I’ve owned 21s and 31s. The main complaint I’ve heard is the lock bar flex that some models have. Although; it has been found on practically every model with the ceramic ball interface minus the Umnumzaan.

I’ve had 31s with the lock flex, and those without. The 31s I’ve had with lock flex have been Small Sebenza 31s. I’ve also had no lock flex on my more recently made 31s (2024 and on…) but that may be due to luck.

Some will say without a doubt that all 21s are better than 31s and there are at least a few comparison videos on YouTube that you can spend a couple hours watching. In actuality, I agree along the lines of ARCHMAN on YouTube.

ARCHMAN says they do have problems, but CRK will fix them and they are not consistently seen problems. Granted, he made his video when the 31 just launched practically. Like I said, my most recent 31 Small and both my Inkosis have no lock flex at all. Like I said again, I may just be lucky. Maybe they are working out their issues so they don’t have to keep fixing knives that get sent in.

So in my opinion, I think the more recent 31s are on par with 21s. They will undoubtably have a different feel because of the ceramic ball interface being the lock up and detent. Also, with the stop pin sleeve being one piece on the 31 and not the 21, although later 21s may not have the sleeve.

Many people will say it’s sacrilege to say that the 21 can hold a candle to the 31. I’ve come to like Magnacut and believe it to be a nicer steel for edc than S35VN. S35VN can do everything, Magnacut just lasts longer and strops just as nice. I also find Magnacut to hold a better fine edge, while S35VN seems to like a coarser edge.

They both have their strengths and weaknesses, but I like the changes they make as long as they continue to hone in the design and fix any issues.
 
That seems to be the sentiment from some of the YouTube videos I watched as well. Most the videos were older that I watched, have the 31s improved over the years? Are they perfecting them lately?
I’m not sure how the newest ones stack up, but I have 3 31’s. 2 Large Inlays and a Small Inlay. They all have the same issue that the pocket clip screw backs out. Also the pivot screw likes to back out. Unfortunately all the hardware on the 31’s need to be loctited in.

It’s just not the same as it used to be. :(
 
I’m not sure how the newest ones stack up, but I have 3 31’s. 2 Large Inlays and a Small Inlay. They all have the same issue that the pocket clip screw backs out. Also the pivot screw likes to back out. Unfortunately all the hardware on the 31’s need to be loctited in.

It’s just not the same as it used to be. :(
That is really odd, I’ve never had pocket clip screws or body screws back out on any CRK I’ve had
 
That is really odd, I’ve never had pocket clip screws or body screws back out on any CRK I’ve had
You’re telling me!! Lol. Oddest thing I’ve encountered.

I’m not the only one with this issue either…but I won’t out him here unless he chimes in.

For clarities sake, I don’t hate the 31…but to me, it’s just more hassle than the 21.
 
You’re telling me!! Lol. Oddest thing I’ve encountered.

I’m not the only one with this issue either…but I won’t out him here unless he chimes in.

For clarities sake, I don’t hate the 31…but to me, it’s just more hassle than the 21.


Damn that’s awful, I’d be put off too.
 
Well, I haven’t replaced the 21’s I’ve got. I have picked up a few 31’s and haven’t had any issues with them. Personally, I don’t feel there’s a big difference between them.
Are the 21’s on the secondary market worth the price, not to me. I’d rather buy a 31 instead.
IMO, nothing will be able to replace the 21. Mainly for me, it’s the look of the 21 that makes it un replaceable
 
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