The new Gayle Bradley C134CFP, from Spyderco!!

Interesting design... that picture is of the production prototype. I wonder if the production piece will have jimping? Or a slight cut-out in the scale to aid in releasing the lock?

I don't know why so many knife users have an aversion to liner locks... maybe too many $2 gas station knives with unstable pot metal locks? Liner locks are simplistic [not much can go wrong with the locking spring] and are intuitive to operate. Open knife, push thumb down to disengage the lock, close knife. You can also visually "inspect" the lockup any time you'd like to make sure the locking mechanism is clear of debris.

I wouldn't hesitate to use a liner lock as a "hard use" knife, as long as the lock was designed properly.
 
Silly question about liner locks. Does Michael Walker get a royalty on every knife with a liner lock?

I know that he has trademarked the name "Linerlock", but since it's so widely used, I'd be suprised if he gets royalties on all the brands.

If so, he must be a very, very rich man.
 
"After all now a days nothing is made in the United States Americas. "


Maybe not in Holland,
(Shhh, not so loud, my 200+ US made modern folders dont know that!)

One more thing, if this one is as nice as my other CF Taiwan made Spyderco's
it will compete with any production knife, and many customs as well.

I am in for at least one.
 
symphonyincminor wrote

"I don't know why so many knife users have an aversion to liner locks... maybe too many $2 gas station knives with unstable pot metal locks? Liner locks are simplistic [not much can go wrong with the locking spring] and are intuitive to operate. Open knife, push thumb down to disengage the lock, close knife. You can also visually "inspect" the lockup any time you'd like to make sure the locking mechanism is clear of debris."

No I am scared of liner locks because I have experienced lock failure with knives made by some of the most respected manufactures with what visually looked like some of the best lock contacts. Regardless of what some may think the failures were not due to abuse

"I wouldn't hesitate to use a liner lock as a "hard use" knife, as long as the lock was designed properly."

Well good luck to you I can only advise you to proceed carefully when using it hard. I have also had quality liner locks that failed only sometimes and most of the time not. I find it hard to believe that manufactures are making liner locks like walker makes them.

Walker's liner was designed to bend and jam the path of the blade when over come by too much force. That is in my opinion the way it should be.

I believe many factory liner locks will just slip and unlock making the lock even weaker when reengaged after the failure.

That said I have never had a Spyderco liner fail me yet and I occasionally do purchase liner locks because it's the only type of lockup offered on some designs that I like too much to pass up. The jury is still out however as far as I am concerned on liner locks and another lock failure just may make me less bold and put any future liner lock purchases I have in mind into a nosedive.
 
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symphonyincminor wrote

"I don't know why so many knife users have an aversion to liner locks... maybe too many $2 gas station knives with unstable pot metal locks? Liner locks are simplistic [not much can go wrong with the locking spring] and are intuitive to operate. Open knife, push thumb down to disengage the lock, close knife. You can also visually "inspect" the lockup any time you'd like to make sure the locking mechanism is clear of debris."

No I am scared of liner locks because I have experienced lock failure with knives made by some of the most respected manufactures with what visually looked like some of the best lock contacts. Regardless of what some may think the failures were not due to abuse

"I wouldn't hesitate to use a liner lock as a "hard use" knife, as long as the lock was designed properly."

Well good luck to you I can only advise you to proceed carefully when using it hard. I have also had quality liner locks that failed only sometimes and most of the time not. I find it hard to believe that manufactures are making liner locks like walker makes them.

Walker's liner was designed to bend and jam the path of the blade when over come by too much force. That is in my opinion the way it should be.

I find too many factory liner locks will just slip and unlock making the lock even weaker when reengaged after the failure.

That said I have never had a Spyderco liner fail me yet and I occasionally do purchase liner locks because it's the only type of lockup offered on some designs that I like too much to pass up. The jury is still out however as far as I am concerned on liner locks and another lock failure just may make me less bold and put any future liner lock purchases I have in mind into a nosedive.
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That's how the all the liner locks I've seen from Spyderco are designed. Cliff Stamp even had a picture where the lock bent over (locking it open, not failing) after a Military model was beat on in an attempt to induce lock failure.
 
"No I am scared of liner locks because I have experienced lock failure with knives made by some of the most respected manufactures with what visually looked like some of the best lock contacts. Regardless of what some may think the failures were not due to abuse"

List the Brands & model #s.

Thanks:)
 
Josh K said:
That's how the all the liner locks I've seen from Spyderco are designed. Cliff Stamp even had a picture where the lock bent over (locking it open, not failing) after a Military model was beat on in an attempt to induce lock failure.
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I was given that knife by Cliff Stamp and after severe abuse it basically locked itself open. I was extremely impressed with how the knife failed when pounded into semi submission by some act of unreal abuse that Cliff was famous for when testing folders of all lock types to failure (I don't think he got the Chinook to fail in a seriously abusive test to show the massive lock strength and reliability of that knife). The beaten on Millie was pretty much a fixed blade with blade play that could be unlocked by prying with a screwdriver. I was extremely impressed by that, but I still must say using common sense while using your knife will go a long way in keeping your fingers safe and not having to find out if the liner will slip off or keep the blade open for you when it fails (this use of common sense of course extends to all blades, not just liner locks).

Mike
 
gunmike1 said:
I was given that knife by Cliff Stamp and after severe abuse it basically locked itself open. I was extremely impressed with how the knife failed when pounded into semi submission by some act of unreal abuse that Cliff was famous for when testing folders of all lock types to failure (I don't think he got the Chinook to fail in a seriously abusive test to show the massive lock strength and reliability of that knife). The beaten on Millie was pretty much a fixed blade with blade play that could be unlocked by prying with a screwdriver. I was extremely impressed by that, but I still must say using common sense while using your knife will go a long way in keeping your fingers safe and not having to find out if the liner will slip off or keep the blade open for you when it fails (this use of common sense of course extends to all blades, not just liner locks).

Mike
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That is one of the older "flexy flier" liner-lock Military models, yes? Thats what I call the lock on my 440V versions.


The newer Military models seem to have a stiffer liner-lock "bar" and would seem to fail differently.
 
wongKI said:
No jimping is :(. I may have to try my hand at making my own.
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I asked Sal about this at the Eugene show and he said that there were no plans for jimping - he also said that collectors worry more about jimping than users, which is odd considering how Spyderco has added jimping to so many of their knives - I'm guessing that this is the way Gayle Bradley wants it. Me. I like jimping, a little is very helpful although on many knives truly it's way too abrasive when actually used.
 
wongKI said:
Really? Yesh!

Looking again..
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Might want to look here.

Paul
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orthogonal1 said:
That is one of the older "flexy flier" liner-lock Military models, yes? Thats what I call the lock on my 440V versions.


The newer Military models seem to have a stiffer liner-lock "bar" and would seem to fail differently.
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I believe so, as I know it was definately before the second liner was put in but I have no idea how the lock felt prior to getting severely bent.

Mike
 
Guys, this knife is awesome. The pictures do not do justice to it. I think it will sell like hotcakes in spite of its price. It is beautiful, the CF scales are the nicest I've ever seen on a Spydie and the polished steel sparkles all around them: the CF scales are just a tad smaller than the liners, giving it a great look. And it's built like a tank. The liners are massive (read thick and wide), you will be able to drive a truck over this knife without making a dent to it. No problem opening the knife the usual ways, the spydie hole is not very submerged. Disengaging the lock was easy for me, but may take some practice for some with bigger hands to be fully comfortable with. It may be difficult to disengage it with gloved hands. I was floored by the blade, it looks bigger than it is, the hollow grind is deep, and it redefines the term "razor sharp." This is where one would say that the total is more than the sum of its parts.

Look, there will be things that some won't like, but overall this is a great knife and you'll be very sorry if you don't get one. For me the dislike is it's weight. I mean, this thing is heavy (I think the Spyderco site puts it at 5.5 oz). For me, this disqualifies it as an EDC knife (I wear slacks at work, the weight is just too much). However, I will certainly be buying one, even if only to put it on my desk to use as a letter opener.:D
 
J85909266 said:
There appears to be no cut out for accessing the liner lock. Is it difficult to disengage?
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I have a problem with my big fingers partially releasing the lock on knives with a large cutout, so this is a big plus on the design to my mind. The Barong doesn't have any cutout and and is still quite easy to close as long as you aren't wearing gloves.

I have no reservations about a properly made liner lock. My Spyderco Large Tim Wenger (C48?) has seen a lot of hard use over the years, including some pretty stupid things when I was younger, and it is still rock solid.
 
Real pics of the knife here ----------> LINK

I see jimping and a very small cut-out for liner disengagement.

I am sold on the materials [CPM-M4 & carbon fiber], but the aesthetics are still growing on me :)
 
I got this knife yesterday, and it's sitting in my pocket as I type this. My question, is does anyone know what the RHC is at on this? I'm guesing 63-64 if I had to base it on M4 steel for the most part.

This thing is seriously a beast. I'm a fan of the blade shape and feel over all. I am also considering trying my hand at a custom scale (orange G10 if I find some online), but the CF is grippy enough for now. The liner lock is nothing to be scared of on this knife, as Sal has said, it's durable. With a slight swedge taken out of the opposite liner it's fairly easy to disengage when you want it to, but not when you dont want it. The hole is a little sunk, but still easy to hit.

The jimping on the thumb ramp is minimal, but still noticeable. When I hold the knife in a user position, I usually have my thumb over the front side piviot screw (box cutting, etc) and I have plenty of grip there. The choil is big enough to be noticeable, but not enough to prevent all slipping. As a heavy user, this knife is a great idea. It also works as a slightly dressy knife due to the carbon fiber, but for a true gent's knife I wouldn't say so. I guess what I could say is it is great for almost every event, except a time when you need a 3 piece suit. That's when you beak out your old school stockman or a William Henry.

I'll keep you updated as I use it and how it performs. So far so good though!

Greg
 
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