The Official ZT0562 Thread!! (FIRST LOOK)

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I'm in love with the m390 two tone finish, would prefer G10 though.. BTW BenChiew, are you the Ben Chiew who sold a blue XM18 on September last year?
 
Oh my, I'm going to have to call my local knife pusher to order me a 0562cf. Thanks Scurvy for posting this info.
 
So to solve the "it's too hard to open with the thumbstuds" problem they just completely rendered the thumbstuds useless?
Not sure I follow that logic... but ok. They could have tried out a angled thumbstud design like on the Blur. Not everyone is a flipper fanboy, and the thumbstuds made it possible to open the 560 discreetly.

Good looking knife though. I like the new grind.
 
Moxy said:
So to solve the "it's too hard to open with the thumbstuds" problem they just completely rendered the thumbstuds useless?
Not sure I follow that logic... but ok. They could have tried out a angled thumbstud design like on the Blur. Not everyone is a flipper fanboy, and the thumbstuds made it possible to open the 560 discreetly.

Good looking knife though. I like the new grind.
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More like they designed them to be blade stops from the beginning that could be backup thumb studs if really needed. I guess they got tired of everyone complaining so they just took that option away.
 
Scurvy092 said:
More like they designed them to be blade stops from the beginning that could be backup thumb studs if really needed. I guess they got tired of everyone complaining so they just took that option away.
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Agreed, it's a give and take. Using the thumb studs as a blade stop is a very strong design. As an example, a car is more stable than a motorcycle because of a wider base and more contact points. The trade off is the need to move the thumb studs closer to the pivot which requires more force to open because leverage isn't in your favor. Therefore you either listen to folks saying the blade is too hard to open or you weaken the detent. I prefer the detent stays firm so the blade doesn't fly out with a good shake (as my old 0550 did). So in my opinion they did the right thing. And this is just my opinion. You can always open two handed if discretion is necessary.
 
Raylance said:
I'm in love with the m390 two tone finish, would prefer G10 though.. BTW BenChiew, are you the Ben Chiew who sold a blue XM18 on September last year?
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I'm willing to bet that if you posted something up in the trade section offering to swap a CF scale for someone else's G10 it wouldn't take long for someone to step up. And I'm sure as soon as this is released there will be members (like Rival) making some sweet scales for it as well.
 
This looks awesome. I hope they don't change too much from these protos.... I can already tell it'll be one of my fave ZT's... hmmm ... now how to get one?
 
Scurvy092 said:
More like they designed them to be blade stops from the beginning that could be backup thumb studs if really needed. I guess they got tired of everyone complaining so they just took that option away.
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Personally I don't think there ever was a problem. After the knife broke in a bit, I could open the knife just fine with the thumbstuds. Someone using the knife with thick heavy gloves might prefer the thumbstuds over the flipper. It's just odd that they would remove their functionality (even if it was limited) entirely.
 
Moxy said:
Personally I don't think there ever was a problem. After the knife broke in a bit, I could open the knife just fine with the thumbstuds. Someone using the knife with thick heavy gloves might prefer the thumbstuds over the flipper. It's just odd that they would remove their functionality (even if it was limited) entirely.
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I don't see many people complaining that the 0801 doesn't have thumbstuds, nor the 0600.

I'm just saying, I see where they are coming from, they are not meant to be used as thumbstuds.

That being said, I'm sure some people will find a way to use them
 
Well I agree with alwayscarryaknife. The thumbstuds used as blade stops are (at least on paper) a stronger design compared with an internal stop pin. That is one of the claim to fame features of the Hinderer designs. Microtech does the same thing and so does Strider. Personally I prefer an internal stop pin on flippers, and I'd like to see the 562 with one too. But again, it's a Hinderer design. The 801 and 600 are not. So if you need blade stops in the design, might as well try to make them also function as thumbstuds. Had they made them angled like the thumbstudes on the Blur, I have no doubt, it would have been much easier to overcome the extra strong detent required for the flipper.
 
I want to see a better picture of this "tough point"... I always preferred the Spanto grind to the Slicer grind for that reason. I wonder, now that ZT has a slicer grind pseudo XM-18 (I don't use "pseudo" as an insult in any way shape or form), I wonder how long until they offer a Spanto in the same knife... That would be very cool, imho...
 
ZT has hit it out of the park at Shot Show. Looking forward to most of their new models and this one should be great since I love my ZT 0561.
 
Handled both versions at Shot today, I think they are both going to be huge sellers, but if the price difference is only going to be $40 to get M390 that's not even a choice! The size/thickness me is a much better general EDC size than the 0560 or 0550 is. Kershaw/ZT really crushed all the other knife vendors new offerings there, you could see the excitement difference in their booth compared to the other manufacturers.

(Disclaimer: these are probably prototype samples so who knows what can/will change). I'd say the only things I didn't like is that the samples they had there that I played with was the CF scale was very smooth it would certainly be very slippery with wet/sweaty hands, I'd say it felt more slippery than the 0560CBCF. I also thought it had some pretty sharp edges on the insides of the liners I could really notice them when gripping the knife. The only other thing that bothered me was that I played with two samples of each version over the show and all four had different levels of blade retention and ease of deployment, ranging from almost falling open, to so much detent engagement I could not get it to open with the thumb stud at all, two others I could open with both the flipper and the "thumb stud" without issue, all had smooth pivots so it was not pivot tension. Hopefully that inconsistency gets worked out in production but if the 0560 samples I've owned/handled are any indication it probably won't be.

People were really pumped about the Emerson collaborations too, they were nicer than I thought they'd be though most are on the small size for me personally but at the price point they are really going to be popular. I particularly liked the CQC4 and 5 but both seem smaller in the hand/person than their specs would seem to indicate at least to me, but considering both are certainly going to be under $50 on the street, that's amazing.
 
Thanks ToddM for the excellent first-hand review. From looking at the pics, I was wondering how grippy the CF was going to be. Of course, the finger guard ameliorates some of the risk from a slick handle; nevertheless, I hope ZT does give the CF a good grip. The 0560cbcf was a little on the slick side for me personally, but using that as a comparison does give us an idea of what potentially to expect. And I'm absolutely stoked to get one. I expect I'll be dreaming about it before too long.

Hope the detent gets worked out, as well. The 0560cbcf's that I've handled all had a pretty consistent detent, just a bit too weak for my liking.

Sounds like the Show was pretty cool. I've never been to one myself, but I understand there will be a knife show in Seattle this spring--and I'm thinking I just might have to make the pilgrimage.

Thanks again for taking the time to write a detailed review.
 
CF and M390 what a great combo and good looking knife. Hope they release the 0801CF first. Been patiently waiting on one of those suckers for a while now. I was thinking of ordering a XM183.5 from the ranch but that might have ta wait a bit. Cheers
 
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