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The price of being prepared

dawsonbob said:
Unfortunately, it begins to speak to societal and political issues best addressed somewhere other than W&SS.
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Really? You think so?

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Esav Benyamin said:
This isn't really a political problem, it's a social problem, and that means we all do need to speak out, but also to accept that every part of our society has to be part of the conversation, to be sure that everyone gets the message.
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He said "social" and I say "cultural." SAME THING. No one held a gun to some kid's head to rat this one kid out, they did it because that is what they are taught to do.
 
Don Rearic said:
Really? You think so?

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He said "social" and I say "cultural." SAME THING. No one held a gun to some kid's head to rat this one kid out, they did it because that is what they are taught to do.
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Be that as it may, that discussion is probably best left to the Political or Whine & Cheese forums, rather than W&SS. Even if many of us might agree with your statement, is W&SS the place to discuss it? I have strong opinions, too, but here isn't the place for them (not that I haven't been guilty of letting one slip from time to time).
 
It is our duty as parents to teach our children to be prepared... tolerating this kind of nonsense is not acceptable.
 
Don Rearic said:
So, your answer to help inform people is to put it in a forum that is filled with porn?
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Don, in all honesty, I don't know where to discuss it. I just don't think that here is the best place: I'd just hate to see this thread closed because we get too political.
 
This borderline as a W&SS topic. The link is that he ha the "knife" as part of a survival mindset -- basic gear fo dealing with emergencies.

That society generally does not seem to recognize the propriety of preparedness is astonishing. I wouldn't obsess over the George Orwell aspect. I went to grade school in the 50's and we knew what tattle-tales and gossips were. People talk: why would you expect someone to keep a secret you told them when you couldn't keep it secret from them?

The problem for us is that the system demonizes absolute necessities: the right to self-defense, the tools of survival. How do we deal with a world in which we have to fight constantly for such basic rights?

THAT becomes a political problem, and it is outside this subforum's responsibility.
 
I'm not talking about politics. Ole Mr. Coffee up there hit on something but he needs to take it further and people need to intervene in their kid's lives and tell them not to inform on the other students unless there is a GUN or BOMB involved in some nefarious plot but to otherwise keep their nose out of other people's business.
 
This incident is unfair, but I doubt it will change the student in question. He seems like a good guy, and will doubtless remain a good guy.
 
i graduated from the high school system relatively recently (2005) and carried a knife since i was in elementary school. Teachers didnt have a problem with me using a swiss army knife to cut up apples or other fruits and veggies from grade 5 to 12. Than again i didnt swing it around and give war whoops with it either :). There were actually quite a few people in my class from elementary to highschool that carried a swiss army knife. One of them being a girl! :o

I'm surprised that kids getting suspended for having a knife in his car. Its his car for christ's sake and it was part of his emergency kit. Whats an emergency kit without a knife? I've had a teacher ask if anyone had a blade on them (at first everyone thought it was a trick question) and when he held up a package he needed to open i passed over my swiss army knife. he opened his package, thanked me and returned my knife. no problems at all.


i'm surprised in the short time i've been out of high school that policies have changed so much. maybe i was lucky to have gone to a high school with alot of old school teachers who have been teaching for a long time. alot of times you'd see teachers carrying a good ol' leatherman on their belt through the hallways and nobody thought twice about it.


would be nice if things could go back to the way they were in the old days. this zero tolerance stuff is nonsense. teenage gangsters get away with smuggling firearms and machetes into schools while this kid who had the knife for honest intentions gets into trouble.
 
BOOMSTICK said:
man that sucks. simple as that.
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With all the talk about rules being rules - this rule is plain stupid and needs to be changed to something more useful.

I know kids I wouldn't want to have a ruler without supervision, but that one wasn't up to any harm and didn't have the knife on his person.

I sure hope some of his class mates will give him lots of info on what they are doing.
 
What percentage of people in public education are pro-gun, pro-knife, pro-hunting, pro-fishing or anything that we like? I am betting it is an extreme minority. So, they see no value in these things and only see them as threats. They also wish to change the world and they are doing it.
 
Don Rearic said:
What percentage of people in public education are pro-gun, pro-knife, pro-hunting, pro-fishing or anything that we like? I am betting it is an extreme minority. So, they see no value in these things and only see them as threats. They also wish to change the world and they are doing it.
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Not where I live. Most are pro hunting and fishing. But most school systems are afraid of getting sued if something goes wrong.

I understand the safety aspect to a degree but with pee tests, locker searches, drug dogs and the rest how can we expect the younger generation to be able to appreciate freedom or privacy??

Maybe the prologed adolescence we see in society today is a result of too much paternalisim??
 
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