The price of being prepared

[2brothers]

Looks like they are not going to budge on his suspension and in fact have ADDED 15 DAYS to it.
This kid had a emergency kit (impressive one) in his locked trunk which was shown on FOX news today. A kit recommended by his home state.
This is crazy.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,566182,00.html

I just watched this a few minutes ago.
It gave me the "WOW" face. The Vice Principal (accuser) nor the Superintendent had the courtesy to even show up to his Superintendent's "hearing"
Then tack on another 15 days.

And for what? Having a survival kit in his locked car that the state recommended? Ridiculous.

 

[sammtv]

rest in peace, the death of common sense.

 

[warrigal]

One of the juniors at work (at a camping shop, she is 16) is in the outdoor education syllabus at the high school my wife teaches at. They have an up coming Open water canoe trip across to one of the close islands ( about 50miles three day round trip). It is illeagal ( school wise) for her to carrry her mobile ph. I have loaned her a pelican box to waterproof her ph. to carry a lighter, tinder, SAK and a small led torch in it inside her PDF and to tie a heliograph to the outside of her PDF.
Of course if push come to shove and it does save her life. Guaranteed I'll still be in the doghouse when it comes out who supplied the PSK. I'll laugh on the inside.
Carl

 

[riz_aaroni]

One of the juniors at work (at a camping shop, she is 16) is in the outdoor education syllabus at the high school my wife teaches at. They have an up coming Open water canoe trip across to one of the close islands ( about 50miles three day round trip). It is illeagal ( school wise) for her to carrry her mobile ph. I have loaned her a pelican box to waterproof her ph. to carry a lighter, tinder, SAK and a small led torch in it inside her PDF and to tie a heliograph to the outside of her PDF.
Of course if push come to shove and it does save her life. Guaranteed I'll still be in the doghouse when it comes out who supplied the PSK. I'll laugh on the inside.
Carl

Laugh on the outside too! If enough people break the idiotic rules regarding knives, phones, etc. and safely show there is real use for them, then maybe one day everyone will get the picture.

If nobody is willing to pay the price for freedom then we'll all lose it.

 

[Esav Benyamin]

If enough people break the idiotic rules regarding knives, phones, etc. and safely show there is real use for them, then maybe one day everyone will get the picture.

When pocket calculators first came out, many educators didn't want students using them. Now they are required for many courses and even tests.

 

[PrimitiveMan]

To them, regardless of what a knife is actually used for, it is a weapon and "Evil"

This is a social problem and will not get better. The best you can hope for is to keep what little rights and privledges you have.

In many states now it is illegal to posses a weapon for the intent of self defense. ANY weapon. Outside or, in many cases INSIDE your home.

Like it or not, the boy violated school policy. The time to fight it was when the school sent home the "Zero tolerance" packet that the father/mother signed. Any discussion now is spitting in the wind.

The best thing I could think of doing is getting together with like minded individuals and a large group not signing the policy next year. If a few dozen do not sign it, they will likely have to address the problem via an open meeting.

Carl-

 

[luckykitty]

What is a weapon, asked the Judo trainer at the beginning of the session. His students were confused ...
When a fight in the street is going on, what is a weapon?
A little girl looked at him puzzled and said: why - everything of course ...
The trainer looked at her for a while, then said to the other students: here (pointing towards her) we have a survivor.

Those who are up to hurting others are encreasingly using exacto knifes in Germany, cause the police might take a pocket knife from a person known to be violent, but they can't take an exacto knife or a breacher bar or a hammer or whatever comes to their mind and they run across in any store.

 

[Horn Dog]

It isn't just school zones. Imagine going to a park with a campground, archery range, hiking trails, boat ramp, picnic area, swimming and canoe lakes, and then seeing this sign when you check in.

 

[PrimitiveMan]

If you are carrying something with the INTENT to use as a defensive weapon, you are in violation of the laws in many areas.

Now if you want to lie and tell them the INTENT is for something else, I completely understand, but that does not mean you have not ACTUALLY broken the law because YOU know what your intent was, If successful, you have merely not been caught breaking it.

 

[soccergod04]

It isn't just school zones. Imagine going to a park with a campground, archery range, hiking trails, boat ramp, picnic area, swimming and canoe lakes, and then seeing this sign when you check in.

Wait, the park has an archery range, but you aren't allowed to have a bow or arrows? Wow. People just arbitrarily post rules, apparently.

 

[jca21]

It isn't just school zones. Imagine going to a park with a campground, archery range, hiking trails, boat ramp, picnic area, swimming and canoe lakes, and then seeing this sign when you check in.

thats really gotta suck. this is the sign at one of the areas that i frequent.

seems to be the complete opposite of what they've got posted at your parks.

edit: just out of curiosity HD, how does a person have a campfire at that place without an axe, hachet or even a knife.? up here you're allowed to drink in provincial parks as long as you are drinking in a camp ground and not wandering around on the trails with booze. kinda makes you wonder if canada's becoming more conservative than the states!

 

[luckykitty]

If you are carrying something with the INTENT to use as a defensive weapon, you are in violation of the laws in many areas.

And I thought we didn't have thought crimes yet ...

 

[PrimitiveMan]

And I would expect we will have more shortly.

 

[Thomas Linton]

...In many states now it is illegal to posses a weapon for the intent of self defense. ANY weapon. Outside or, in many cases INSIDE your home. . . .

Carl-

Which states?

I'll start the list: not Ohio or New York.

If you are carrying something with the INTENT to use as a defensive weapon, you are in violation of the laws in many areas.

Proved how?

 

[Don Rearic]

I don't believe this problem is going to get any better at all. Face it, we're outnumbered.

 

[PrimitiveMan]

Most Non-castle states have turned bad.

NJ, DE, MA, etc.

Obviously laws vary. In my state if someone breaks in my house and wants to do me harm, I cannot legally shoot them unless I can prove that I was unable to escape the premisis.

Cannot carry a blade, blackjack etc. in my car for defense. Tasers and stun guns are illegal. Pepper spray IS legal in small quantities so far, but I don't hold out much hope for that lasting more than another few years.

NOBODY gets a CCW permit unless they are current or ex-LEO.

How do you prove intent? Don't know, you would have to ask the prosecuter. But they DO prosecute if they can. If you use a big chopper on somebody and could not prove that you were heading out camping at that very moment, you could (and probably would) be in trouble. Media portrays YOU as the bad guy and such. If you are carjacked, you better leave the vehicle.

Guys, don't get me wrong, I am with you 100%. I think it is a big load of BS, but it is getting tougher and tougher for us, no doubt.

People that live in states that allow defense and have more sensible gun and knife laws think this is BS or nonsense alarmist hogwash. Truth is, state by state it will happen everywhere. We just have to keep it at the furthest distance we can for as long as we can.

I DO NOT agree with it, I am just pointing out that it exists.

Carl-

 

[riz_aaroni]

When pocket calculators first came out, many educators didn't want students using them. Now they are required for many courses and even tests.

It is true and same thing happened with the knife. Over time it has lost it's usefulness to most people some how, , and now is looked at simply as a weapon. If everyone simply followed directions, calculators like you said wouldn't be the standard device used in math classes.

 

[99f250]

The incident with the teen is very sad indeed, our school system has the same non weapons rule, however I don't think they would suspend a kid for a month unless he was threatening someone with it. I was at a high school football game a few weeks ago and was talking to a police officer who was patroling at the game when we started talking knives and I whipped out my new Kershaw JYDII. He didn't think anything of it, thought it was a nice knife. I was pulled over by a AL. state trooper and had a nine in. coldsteel tanto on my front seat, he said nothing of it. We have a large hunting community here so more people are used to seeing knives and guns, thank god, cause I'd move if I lived in a state where you couldn't carry a knife, heck its legal to shoot someone here just for papering your house.

 

[PrimitiveMan]

Yup.

I have 4 years left and I'm out to somwewhere more sensible.

 

[Toucan Oasis]

Hey. If he's lucky they'll give him a felony so he can't go over and fight the war against.....................
He needs to stay here and fight the real terrorists, which he should fully understand after this.

He'll probably make a big apology for his" mistake" and line back up for slaughter.