The Puukko

[The Zieg]

I've heard legend of these. So that was the knife in the video... (the only good looking one).

Always with the coolest kit, that's a proper score!

I originally posted the right video but added a comment that belonged to a different one. This is the video I wanted to post, saying that I was picking up a Fiskars Orijärvi puukko. And to everyone else following this puukko thread, you owe it to yourself subscribe to OldForest Bushcraft on YouTube.

 

[The Zieg]

Still haven't found the resolve to actually use the new knife .

 

[SwissHeritageCo]

It bothers me that this simple tommi-esque design used to be common place but is nowhere to be seen anymore. Nice tall bevel, flat spine, good triangulation off the handle, subtle birdsbeak.

Lauri needs to add some new blade designs.

The Zieg , any idea on what steel Fiskars used?

 

[oldmanwilly]

It bothers me that this simple tommi-esque design used to be common place but is nowhere to be seen anymore. Nice tall bevel, flat spine, good triangulation off the handle, subtle birdsbeak.

Lauri needs to add some new blade designs.

The Zieg , any idea on what steel Fiskars used?

I think Lauri does sell a Tommi style blank, although I've never seen it in a finished knife. It's not a super high saber but it's much better than the average scandi grind.

Edit: I spoke too soon. Lauri makes "Rhombic Puukko" blanks, some of which are sold in finished condition. Is that adequate for a tommi style, or am I confused?

 

[SwissHeritageCo]

I think Lauri does sell a Tommi style blank, although I've never seen it in a finished knife. It's not a super high saber but it's much better than the average scandi grind.

Edit: I spoke too soon. Lauri makes "Rhombic Puukko" blanks, some of which are sold in finished condition. Is that adequate for a commission style, or am I confused?

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Not enough taper to them, they have one 3" blade used on the Ahti Korpi and one of the puukkos I posted just above that's close. They're ugly straight, need to be more triangular.. taller by the ricasso that tapers down.

I do believe they recently added a specialty blank that is this very thing, but it's 7x more expensive for some reason. There used to be lots of finnish blade producers, now it's just Laurin M. , Marttini, and Jarvenpaa.

That fiskars is Mora territory... so stupid that they don't have a classic that's closed to it, even with the lower scandi grind.

 

[oldmanwilly]

Not enough taper to them, they have one 3" blade used on the Ahti Korpi and one of the puukkos I posted just above that's close. They're ugly straight, need to be more triangular.. taller by the ricasso that tapers down.

I do believe they recently added a specialty blank that is this very thing, but it's 7x more expensive for some reason. There used to be lots of finnish blade producers, now it's just Laurin M. , Marttini, and Jarvenpaa.

That fiskars is Mora territory... so stupid that they don't have a classic that's closed to it, even with the lower scandi grind.

Can you elaborate on the portion highlighted above? I'm having a hard time visualizing this.

I think it would be awesome if Mora introduced some flavor of inexpensive tommi puukko in their lineup.

 

[SwissHeritageCo]

Can you elaborate on the portion highlighted above? I'm having a hard time visualizing this.

I think it would be awesome if Mora introduced some flavor of inexpensive tommi puukko in their lineup.

I think Lauri does sell a Tommi style blank, although I've never seen it in a finished knife. It's not a super high saber but it's much better than the average scandi grind.

Edit: I spoke too soon. Lauri makes "Rhombic Puukko" blanks, some of which are sold in finished condition. Is that adequate for a tommi style, or am I confused?

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This example here is probably there most sold blank, it's what I'm talking about.

Same as here:




Needs to start off taller by the ricasso with a stronger more triangular taper toward the tip.

 

[oldmanwilly]

This example here is probably there most sold blank, it's what I'm talking about.

Same as here:


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Needs to start off taller by the ricasso with a stronger more triangular taper toward the tip.

Got it, more distal taper. Thanks!

 

[Arathol]

Got it, more distal taper. Thanks!

No, thats not it. Puukko blades don't usually have much of a distal taper.
I think whats being referred to is a Slojd style blade thats used for carving. Traditional puukko style blades have for the most part a fairly straight spine, where a slojd style blade tapers downward to a point.
Pauli Kankaanpaa

Jaska Nukari

The Tommi style has a straight spine with an oval handle that has a brass knob on the end.
This is a Tommi from Kainuun Puukko, made by Marko Lindela

 

[SwissHeritageCo]

No, thats not it. Puukko blades don't usually have much of a distal taper.
I think whats being referred to is a Slojd style blade thats used for carving. Traditional puukko style blades have for the most part a fairly straight spine, where a slojd style blade tapers downward to a point.
Pauli Kankaanpaa

Jaska Nukari

The Tommi style has a straight spine with an oval handle that has a brass knob on the end.
This is a Tommi from Kainuun Puukko, made by Marko Lindela

That jaska is using the Lauri blade I'm referring to (the only one that looks right).

I know Tommi's have that weird knob, but I'm definitely referring to the sloyd-esque profile.. not quite full sloyd. Unlike that Kainuun you posted (which is a relatively straight blade), when I say Tommi-style blade I"m thinking of Pekka, Malanika, etc.

Just like The Zieg 's new Fiskars. The lines are superior and it chaps my ass that no modern company produces a simple version of that.

Marttini can suck it with their ricassos.. they're blades are too straight as well.

 

[oldmanwilly]

No, thats not it. Puukko blades don't usually have much of a distal taper.
I think whats being referred to is a Slojd style blade thats used for carving. Traditional puukko style blades have for the most part a fairly straight spine, where a slojd style blade tapers downward to a point.
Pauli Kankaanpaa

Jaska Nukari

The Tommi style has a straight spine with an oval handle that has a brass knob on the end.
This is a Tommi from Kainuun Puukko, made by Marko Lindela

Are Tommi blades also rhombic in each instance?

 

[Arathol]

Are Tommi blades also rhombic in each instance?

The "real" ones I have seen are, but there are probably makers that use blades that are just made from flat stock, ground with no taper above the grind line, and call it a Tommi because thats a buzzword now just like the term puukko.
Knives are made to Western standards and expectations now because thats where the money is. Jarvenpaa started the move in the early 20th century when he started putting fullers on blades to sell more knives to Americans because Americans expected knives to have one. Then came the blades with a ricasso, and without a rhombic grind.
Marttiini up until about 20 years ago still made good blades. Their Lappinleuku had a full height more or less flat grind that was convexed at the edge. When "bushcraft" as started by people like Ray Mears came along, heavily promoting the scandi grind knife made by Alan Wood, the good grinds went away and were replaced by modern grinds that people expected on an outdoors knife, ie if it didn't have a scandi grind it was not going to sell. So, if you want an old school traditional blade, unless you are willing to put out some large cash for a hand made knife, or can find something on the secondary market......

I mostly stick with the older stuff, its just better.....

 

[The Zieg]

It bothers me that this simple tommi-esque design used to be common place but is nowhere to be seen anymore. Nice tall bevel, flat spine, good triangulation off the handle, subtle birdsbeak.

Lauri needs to add some new blade designs.

The Zieg , any idea on what steel Fiskars used?

No idea at all!

 

[SwissHeritageCo]

The "real" ones I have seen are, but there are probably makers that use blades that are just made from flat stock, ground with no taper above the grind line, and call it a Tommi because thats a buzzword now just like the term puukko.
Knives are made to Western standards and expectations now because thats where the money is. Jarvenpaa started the move in the early 20th century when he started putting fullers on blades to sell more knives to Americans because Americans expected knives to have one. Then came the blades with a ricasso, and without a rhombic grind.
Marttiini up until about 20 years ago still made good blades. Their Lappinleuku had a full height more or less flat grind that was convexed at the edge. When "bushcraft" as started by people like Ray Mears came along, heavily promoting the scandi grind knife made by Alan Wood, the good grinds went away and were replaced by modern grinds that people expected on an outdoors knife, ie if it didn't have a scandi grind it was not going to sell. So, if you want an old school traditional blade, unless you are willing to put out some large cash for a hand made knife, or can find something on the secondary market......

I mostly stick with the older stuff, its just better.....

Great post.

 

[kamagong]

Not enough taper to them, they have one 3" blade used on the Ahti Korpi and one of the puukkos I posted just above that's close. They're ugly straight, need to be more triangular.. taller by the ricasso that tapers down.

I do believe they recently added a specialty blank that is this very thing, but it's 7x more expensive for some reason. There used to be lots of finnish blade producers, now it's just Laurin M. , Marttini, and Jarvenpaa.

That fiskars is Mora territory... so stupid that they don't have a classic that's closed to it, even with the lower scandi grind.

Can you elaborate on the portion highlighted above? I'm having a hard time visualizing this.

I think it would be awesome if Mora introduced some flavor of inexpensive tommi puukko in their lineup.

Think of the outline of Superman's logo, but squished horizontally.

These pics should give you an idea.

 

[calm]

I never considered Finland an Eastern Country

 

[calm]

Here is picture of my three users. The first one was bought in 2010 in the US and was a competitor for the similar Mora. Model number was 571010 according to the seller. I have two that get used for various rough cuts. The other 2 shown are from last year.

 

[Arathol]

That jaska is using the Lauri blade I'm referring to (the only one that looks right).

I know Tommi's have that weird knob, but I'm definitely referring to the sloyd-esque profile.. not quite full sloyd. Unlike that Kainuun you posted (which is a relatively straight blade), when I say Tommi-style blade I"m thinking of Pekka, Malanika, etc.

Ok so I think I know what it is you're getting at here....Its the whole aesthetics of the design, not just the blade. The slightly barrel shaped handle that sweeps downward from the center, and the blade spine continues the downward sweep at the same angle right to the tip....
Sound right?

 

[SwissHeritageCo]

Ok so I think I know what it is you're getting at here....Its the whole aesthetics of the design, not just the blade. The slightly barrel shaped handle that sweeps downward from the center, and the blade spine continues the downward sweep at the same angle right to the tip....
Sound right?

Yes! There is a triangulation in how the blade sits off the handle.. it appears centered off the handle but there is a very slight taper on the spine but also a gradual taper upward on the edge on the side profile.

The Zieg 's new old Fiskars is a great example of how a tommi-esque blade should look. Needs to be taller at the ferrule/bolster and taper down toward the tip.

Weirdly, a lot of native finnish custom makers suffer from the downward crook. The blade looks offset from the handle, crooked and not centered from the handle.

The handle itself plays a part in this unifying triangulation. It can't be perfectly flat/level needs to be slightly taller towards the pommel (a birdsbeak also accomplishes this).

Having the ferrule/bolster taper down to be smaller than the rest of the handle helps a lot.

kamagong 's pekka example is an early one and while absolutely gorgeous, doesn't exhibit the style of handle pekka ended up settling on... he actually began to flare the top of the handle to aid in the triangulation effect. His old foresakenly sold Joonas is a more ideal example of perfect triangulation.

Then Malanika started doing the same.. from barrel handed to a bit of a flare on the top of the handle, then benchmade copied it for their "puukko". Again, all to help the blade look more centered off the handle.

Also, in typing this... I think I might be some flavor of autistic.. especially when it comes to lines and symmetry.

But yeah, purely aesthetic A Arathol

 

[Arathol]

Yes! There is a triangulation in how the blade sits off the handle.. it appears centered off the handle but there is a very slight taper on the spine but also a gradual taper upward on the edge on the side profile.

The Zieg 's new old Fiskars is a great example of how a tommi-esque blade should look. Needs to be taller at the ferrule/bolster and taper down toward the tip.

Weirdly, a lot of native finnish custom makers suffer from the downward crook. The blade looks offset from the handle, crooked and not centered from the handle.

The handle itself plays a part in this unifying triangulation. It can't be perfectly flat/level needs to be slightly taller towards the pommel (a birdsbeak also accomplishes this).

Having the ferrule/bolster taper down to be smaller than the rest of the handle helps a lot.

kamagong 's pekka example is an early one and while absolutely gorgeous, doesn't exhibit the style of handle pekka ended up settling on... he actually began to flare the top of the handle to aid in the triangulation effect. His old foresakenly sold Joonas is a more ideal example of perfect triangulation.

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Sort of like this.....