The " Roosters " are crowing for the " Farmers"

Timely shot for me Travman, I'm waiting for a Brown Camel Bone I got from Jamie on the Exchange.:cool:

Can't wait for it and can't sleep (well, untrue I don't sleep more than 5 hours any day unfortunately :( ) will be my first Camel Bone knife. There were Beaver shield variants in jigged wood, appropriate! this pattern/frame lends itself to hosting interesting scale materials. Since Stag is scarce, a decent Bonestag such as Queen Cutlery's former WCSB would look a treat on one of these, grippy too.
 
Timely shot for me Travman, I'm waiting for a Brown Camel Bone I got from Jamie on the Exchange.:cool:

Can't wait for it and can't sleep (well, untrue I don't sleep more than 5 hours any day unfortunately :( ) will be my first Camel Bone knife. There were Beaver shield variants in jigged wood, appropriate! this pattern/frame lends itself to hosting interesting scale materials. Since Stag is scarce, a decent Bonestag such as Queen Cutlery's former WCSB would look a treat on one of these, grippy too.
Cool, post some pictures of your knife when you get it. I really like the brown camel bone. It has a really classy look to it. I almost feel it is too pretty to be a working man's knife. I normally prefer wood or jigged bone. This works for me as a classy weekend knife. One more picture of the other side.

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Trav I'll see what I can do about some pix yes. smooth bone can be tricky to capture, but you do a grand job.

RobbW Glad you like those shots and good to see the Farmer in its element, the outdoors

Been thinking about the 'Pressed Stag' material that Lyle showed and discussed earlier. Long time back I was searching through some old posts in Levine's Forum and he mentioned this material. Can I remember the place?? No, sorry but I recall it was made by some special machine. It looks astounding and would be really something to recreate today using synthetic materials, I think the surface resembles a pimply look reminiscent of a Lychee's shell or Sea-Urchin (I think or some underwater creature)

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Will ,it is pressed I believe ,as each manufacturer's example is identifiable per se.

If it is horn,it must be chemically treated ,as I have never observed the beetle holes intrinsic to horn. Another anomaly is that I have never seen that material handled on a knife made stateside. These are just my observations,I could be wrong.
 
Here we have another anomaly. This A Fields Progress is not the typical approximate 4" farmers jack,being only 3 3/4". Another atypical characteristic is the solid bolsters( no rat tails),which are seen sometimes,but not often.

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Sterling Cutlery Co Germany.I've found no information on this mark except Goins says F Sterling Company was German and McIllwaine,Linn ,and Hughes had this trademark in NY. So??

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This A Fields Progress Has some gorgeous handles and looks to have been well loved, used and cared for.

The swedges on that Sterling confer serious braggin' rights. :thumbup: That stag is really something--yet it looks more typical of Sheffield than Solingen.
 
That's what I call truly veteran stag on the German knife.

What a treat to see it so burnished with age and carry, beautiful. Wish I could give my modern stag an accelerated ageing....
 
Thanks Robb and Will. We'll get to the bottom of this pressed handle material someday,Lord willing.
 
3000 miles. 5 kids. 1 van. Family vacation 2016. But fate does, occasionally, smile on a man and we happened to be near Titusville, PA for Day 1 of GEC Rendezvous 2016. Lyle was there with many old farmer jacks to enjoy. Also was able to pick up this beauty... but must admit, I'm going to have to pick up another one for a user. :-)

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3000 miles. 5 kids. 1 van. Family vacation 2106. But fate does, occasionally, smile on a man and we happened to be near Titusville, PA for Day 1 of GEC Rendezvous 2016. Lyle was there with many old farmer jacks to enjoy. Also was able to pick up this beauty... but must admit, I'm going to have to pick up another one for a user. :-) View attachment 657564
You all took on an ambitious effort. It seemed everybody was enjoying themselves. I think you had the tall lass that's a BB player? If there's a next time I'm planning on photos with captions and maybe a voice recorder.

The attachment's not coming up on my end,but I'm pretty sure I know what it is.Smiling
 
I am excited to have purchased two new to me farmers jacks although both are redundant to this thread in their own way.

Here is the first.A Schrade S 7309F double spring (The only legitimate farmers jack I have found with 2 springs). I have posted another on this thread,which for some reason I can't find the post, that was given me by David Anthony.

It had lost it's handles,as the Fibestos (Schrade's trademark name for these handles) was not hardy, and was rehandled in walnut,which I stained black. This one has it's original handles and seems almost full blades,except for the kinda unusual small belly in the modified pruning blade,which is a Wharncliffe blade. as explained in Scrades catalog cut below.

The handles are badly shrunk and pulled up on the pins.This post from 4/5/2006 by Rich Langston explains more about it:

" Rescue and return of Farmer Jack

As I have said in the past Rarity and condition are two of the biggest factors to be considered by the collector. Often times if a knife is very rare the condition is not as important as it would be on a model or pattern not as unusual or as difficult to obtain. Once in a while you will find a knife which is both rare and in excellent condition. Even more rare is to find an example to which you can validate with a history or provanance. In the past this was not as difficult to do as it is today. In the past people did not know what they had. In todays market the public is much more informed and growing more so each day. The exception to this is when a knife is so rare that people do not recognize it or you know something about that is not generally known or understood. Then once in a while a knife will ( so to speak ) fly under the radar.

I recently received a knife that I purchased on ebay. It is a S7309F (see pic catalogue ref) which is a 4,1/8" Budding and Pruning knife. These were also called farmers jacks, farmer knives, and Wharncliff jacks. These knives had an unusual patterned budding blade with a bark loosener and a pruning blade. This model was handled in Fibestos. This was a very early step up from celluloid and more stable. They also made this knife in a bolstered, shielded bone stag version # S7303 as well as an imi ivory cell version #S7304W. While celluloid and jigged bone can be replaced the original Fibestos is and never will be available again. The fact is that ( relatively ) very few of these were made, as well as this materials property of getting brittle over the years ( it was a form of early plastic) and breaking, means that very few examples in good condition even exist and most of those are in more common patterns that these materials were used on.

While years ago I did own a jigged bone version. I was forced to trade it to another collector as part of 8 knives I traded for a Press Button Guardian. I needed the knife for a book I was writing and really had no other choice. Since then I have seen a couple they were part of the Schrade collection. The only one I have ever seen in fibestos was the one in this collection and it was in pristene condition. When it was announced that Schrade would be selling its collection piece by piece at auction upon liquidation. A 30 page individual listing of these knives was put out. I still have that copy and on page 6 it lists the knife to which I refer. I had noted it to bid on it. ( see pic actual listing from originaly listed pieces ) . As we all know the auction never happened Smokey cut a deal bought it all and has been selling it.

I remembered seeing the knife and it was listed on page 6 of 30 on panel #7B. Because of my affialiation with Schrade I had taken pictures of these panels but since Smokey was on the way to pick them up at the time I was a bit rushed and did not number the panels. Now looking through I cannot find the exact knife however I included a pic of the bone version in the collection which was also on a panel just to show how they were displayed. ( see pic). Schrade made many variations of budding knives most were quite common this model was not.

This knife was apparently sold to a ( well known dealer ) who put it on ebay. He lists it as coming from the Schrade collection and having been bought from Smokey. A couple of well known names bid on it and i sniped it . Sniping is about the only way I seem to be able to bid anything since as soon as I bid early usually other bidders jump in ( from all over). I do not know if it is because of me or everyone has that problem but sniping is fair as far as I am concerned. In this case I paid 130 plus shipping. I was amazed and would have gone much higher ( higher than any sane person would have). The knife is perfect it is like holding a piece of living history. A truly rare pattern in a rare material in Near mint condition. To me this is a treasure.

I have related this story only to show that these items are out there, and present, to the modern collector one of the last opportunitys to save these bits of history and in some cases find items at flea markets and garage sales worth many time what they pay for them. It like any field requires study and determination. I would strongly suggest any reference books available. References aside from informing the reader whet the appetite. This old farmer is back home surrounded by its contemporarys, in a 80 year old Schrade Cutlery display case ( the way it should be ). "

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Absolutely fascinating. Lyle, I must thank you again for introducing me to this intriguing pattern. Fibestos sounds a little alarming, but I presume it doesn't present the dangers of its namesake material? And who is Smokey to which Mr Langston refers with such reverence?

Great post, great pictures, great find!


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Next comes farmer jack royalty. I had asked Charlie C if he would bring his Ken Erickson to GEC to allow me to examine it's beauty firsthand. You know I'm kinda interested in all farmers jacks! I grin

Upon setting up Charlie told me to place it along side it's sister for display, which I gladly did. When packing up, Charlie said he had thought about it and that knife probably belonged with it's sister in the farmers jack collection,would I like to purchase it. Would I!

I had bit my tongue all the time Charlie owned it,as I know he admires his Ken Erickson knives as much or more than any knife he owns.Luckily I had purchased a Ken rendition of a Remington jack that I could include in the deal to get the farmers jack, so I didn't feel too opportunistic.

Thanks again my friend. Here they are:

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Absolutely fascinating. Lyle, I must thank you again for introducing me to this intriguing pattern. Fibestos sounds a little alarming, but I presume it doesn't present the dangers of its namesake material? And who is Smokey to which Mr Langston refers with such reverence?

Great post, great pictures, great find!


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Paul,It's not with reverence,but disdain in his reference. Smokey Mountain Knife Works. Capitalism by the aforementioned which destroyed the integrity of the Schrade collection,albeit allowing him the purchase.
 
Next comes farmer jack royalty. I had asked Charlie C if he would bring his Ken Erickson to GEC to allow me to examine it's beauty firsthand. You know I'm kinda interested in all farmers jacks! I grin

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I noticed the white one yellowing more where I place my thumb on it to retrieve it from the folder.

that is just the kinda guy Charlie is, the best. he saw how disappointed I was when I asked about the 15s on the cabinet list in the GEC shop only to find out they were all sold out. then he offered me one from his case!
 
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