They are trying to ban pocket knives in Hawaii

"People do carry cultural predilections with them even down several generations."

By your logic, your screename explains the nature of your posts. Fair enough.
 
Polite e-mail sent. Let's see if we can't help change their minds.
 
PrimitiveMan said:
While NJ politicians are some of the most corrupt in the country, I defy you to show me a state that is really any different, Which one do you want to pick? Indiana? California?

The problem is they are ALL corrupt.

I am not BLAMING the NRA, I am saying they gave up on the very ones that needed it most. I do vote the right way, but I am one person. Where are have the NRA lobbies been for NJ over the last 30 years? We have had D's and R's in office. Can they not get laws passed? My opinion, they have their agenda now too and it doesn't always involve gun laws. $

NJ, NY, WI, IN and many other states need the NRA more than others, where are they?
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The NRA is not at fault because you live in Jersey. Almost all NRA action results from grass roots movements and local support from members. This is used to put pressure on local politicians to do their job and listen to their constituents. You are one of the people at fault for your situation because you gave up on the NRA. A.G. is spot on. If you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem.
 
As I said, the NRA is not "at fault" they just gave up on certain states. The voters of those states are "at fault" and the rest pay the price.

I was a member of the NRA for YEARS and was active in my local gun club. Hunted deer, small game, bowhunted and paid all the applicable fees.

That being said, I would be interested to see the money and time spent on my State vs. a "Gun friendly" state by the NRA.
 
I would be interested to see the money and time spent on my State vs. a "Gun friendly" state by the NRA.
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Why would you expect the NRA to fight the battles for you ? If overall your state is anti-gun in its political ranks , that tells them that the masses there feel the same way as their politicians , or at the least they voted these politicians in office based on different reasons and chose to ignore the politicians stance on guns.
That is not a NRA problem , that is a people of NJ problem.

with a limited amount of resources , I would rather seem them fighting the battles that are able to be won , than expend all finances trying to change something , that will just get changed back later when more anti's are voted in office.

Never expect anyone to fight your battles , you may be one person , but you have spoken to many here , do that on a local level and let it snowball. Take back your state , your rights and your freedom.
 
OK, I'll get right on that.

Hahaha.

Good luck hanging on to your stuff while the current tide covers ya guys.

Step back, take a deep breath and look at things. Forget NJ, look at the forest, not the trees.
 
point being , you cant expect others to do it for you.

That is pretty much the standard answer , to laugh at it , which is how the states that are so screwed up got to where they are today.

The way I see it , why preach to the choir here on a knife forum , take it to the non-knife / gun masses. The attitude " what can I do ? I am only one person ! " , doesn't fly. You either stand up and do what you can , or you sit back , laugh , and take your lumps...or wait...here is an idea , move to an area (state ) that is more in line with your views , laws & regulations.

I have a couple friends that always bitch about the rules where they live in Calif , year after year after year , yet they ain't moved. So either they just like to here themselves bitch or it doesn't bother them as much as they claim it does ( back to hearing themselves bitch ) , they have never attempted to do anything about it , never joined with others , never attempted to get anything established and never moved. Just stay there and complain , seems to be working so far for them , they have put in zero effort and got well , nowhere.
 
PrimitiveMan said:
OK, I'll get right on that.

Hahaha.

Good luck hanging on to your stuff while the current tide covers ya guys.

Step back, take a deep breath and look at things. Forget NJ, look at the forest, not the trees.
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Anyone who says I am only one person, I can do nothing, Needs only to think of Madalin Murray O'Hair who changed America more profoundly than Martin Luther King
 
I think that banning knives (or guns) violates our Constitution's 2nd Amendment.

However, I have learned that folks generally get the laws they desire.

I have never lived in or even visited Hawaii....is there a knife problem there?
 
hwpaintballer said:
I don't believe they will ever ban folding pocket knives in West Virginia, Virginia, or Tennessee.
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This is for you and your short sightedness.

In Virginia, any knife that can be concealed, and used as a weapon, is ALREADY de-facto banned. If a person actually uses the pocket knife (or any concealed knife) as a weapon, the burden shifts to the accused to prove that the knife is NOT a weapon. (good luck!)

One exception: A "schoolboy's knife."
Do not ask me what is a schoolboy's knife. It is an expellable offense in every school in Virginia to even bring a butter knife for spreading cheese on a bagel.

See Ohin vs. Commonwealth
http://www.courts.state.va.us/opinio...wp/2708041.pdf

"A “weapon of like kind” includes a knife that, while not possessing the exact physical
properties of the enumerated knives, has the characteristics of a fighting knife just the same.
A butterfly knife, for example, is a locking pocketknife that folds into a two-part hinged
handle. Its unusual handle does not resemble any of the knives listed in the statute. But its
utility as a fighting weapon makes it a “like kind” weapon under Code § 18.2-308(A)(v).
Delcid, 32 Va. App. at 18, 526 S.E.2d at 275. In particular, its “fixed blade, sharp point, and
single-sharpened edge afford unquestionable utility as a stabbing weapon, useful in the same
manner as a dagger, stiletto, or dirk.” Id."


Its already here and more is coming, wake up, people, wake up.
 
MikeC said:
This is for you and your short sightedness.

In Virginia, any knife that can be concealed, and used as a weapon, is ALREADY de-facto banned. If a person actually uses the pocket knife (or any concealed knife) as a weapon, the burden shifts to the accused to prove that the knife is NOT a weapon. (good luck!)

One exception: A "schoolboy's knife."
Do not ask me what is a schoolboy's knife. It is an expellable offense in every school in Virginia to even bring a butter knife for spreading cheese on a bagel.

See Ohin vs. Commonwealth
http://www.courts.state.va.us/opinio...wp/2708041.pdf

"A “weapon of like kind” includes a knife that, while not possessing the exact physical
properties of the enumerated knives, has the characteristics of a fighting knife just the same.
A butterfly knife, for example, is a locking pocketknife that folds into a two-part hinged
handle. Its unusual handle does not resemble any of the knives listed in the statute. But its
utility as a fighting weapon makes it a “like kind” weapon under Code § 18.2-308(A)(v).
Delcid, 32 Va. App. at 18, 526 S.E.2d at 275. In particular, its “fixed blade, sharp point, and
single-sharpened edge afford unquestionable utility as a stabbing weapon, useful in the same
manner as a dagger, stiletto, or dirk.” Id."


Its already here and more is coming, wake up, people, wake up.
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Short sightedness can be almost anywhere it seems. Some of what you say is true, but most of it is not when taken into context with existing Virginia statutes. In the bold print I added to your post for emphasis, your statement is incorrect.

In the case of Ohin v Commonwealth, the knife the previously convicted felon had on his person fit the description of an illegal weapon under State Code § 18.2-308(A). LINK. The knife in question had a fixed hilt of 1 1/2 inches. This was affirmed in his appeal with language specific to the knife referred to as:
"a weapon of like kind" because of its physical properties particularly it's "hilt like a sword"
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LINK.

We have it fairly easy in parts of Virginia. It's not uncommon to walk into restaurants, grocery stores, or shopping malls and see someone wearing a fixed blade, folder and/or sidearm. Now this doesn't work out too well in northern VA, Richmond or the Tidewater area. Everywhere else, if a LEO spots your knife, of course he will want to know what you're up to. If you're a previously convicted felon or interfering with a LEO's duties as was Mr. Ohin at the time of this charge, or are not up to any shenanigans, you're good to go, usually after a discussion on knives, what you like, what the LEO likes, where you buy them, etc.
 
Confederate said:
People do carry cultural predilections with them even down several generations. Years ago an anti-gun team of researchers at the University of Massachusetts did a five-year study for the Justice Department. At the end of it, everyone expected the results to be anti-gun. At the time I was working at the NRA and was assigned the task of contacting the chief researcher once the study broke. Wonder of wonders, the study could easily have been written by the NRA! In fact, when I called the professor, his first reaction was: "I was wondering when you guys would call."

The gist of the study was that cultural ties ran much deeper than anyone previously thought. In short, the violent crime rates of Japanese-Japanese were almost identical with Japanese-Americans. The same was true of white Anglo-Saxon protestants and Catholics in Europe and the U.S. And all this, irrespective of gun availability. "I still don't like guns," the professor told me. "The only difference is that if I now lived in a seamy neighborhood without adequate police protection, I would consider owning a gun for the protection of my family." But, living in Amherst, he added, he did not feel that need. He also said that Japanese-Americans actually had a slightly smaller violent crime tendency than Japanese-Japanese. Criminal justice systems, rates of incarceration, early release programs, etc., had more of an impact on a society's crime rates than the availability of guns, he said.

Interestingly, a noted constitutional scholar, Lawrence Tribes, said that despite whether Americans did or did not have a constitutional right to arms ownership (and he thought the 2nd Amendment granted that), it really didn't make a difference. What makes the difference, he added, is that Americans think they have a right to keep and bear arms, and so it really didn't matter in the long run what the Supreme Court said.

In Anglo-Saxon tradition, men would suffer death before giving up their weapons. Invaders found that it was often easier to just let them keep their weapons if conquered rather than trying to take them away. This cultural attitude played a key role in the views of our own founding fathers. Meanwhile, the cultural views of those who want to ban everything often go back generations. One noted Jewish advocate of arms ownership wondered why so many Jews would be for arms restrictions after what they suffered in Germany. Hitler, as well as any despot, knew the advantages of disarming subject peoples. Still, Jews in Israel have much different views of being armed than their American cousins.

Since the 2nd Amendment issue centers mostly around firearms, we sometimes forget that it includes knives and other bladed weapons. Fortunately, the Supreme Court, in the recent Washington, D.C., decision, has ruled that the 2nd Amendment is indeed an individual right.

Note: "The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to permit the conquered Eastern peoples to have arms. History teaches that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so." — Adolf Hitler (1889-1945), April 11, 1942, quoted in Hitler's Tischegesprache Im Fuhrerhauptquartier 1941-1942.
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Why did I just KNOW that someone was going to bring up the Hawaiian politician's racial background as a reason? The fact is, Japanese-Americans, like every other person (including Anglo-Americans) are individuals. I'm a 3rd-generation American of Japanese descent, and nobody in my family thinks or acts the same AT ALL. And that is just our one family. How can you judge an entire group of people, then? Also, trying to study crime rates among Japanese-Americans is silly, as most who have been here for generations are all spread out and not living in concentrated "Japanese" populations. Not to mention the number of 3rd-generation Japanese-Americans are not as numerous as many other groups. And there are signigicant differences between U.S.-born and native-born Japanese, to the degree that oftentimes, Japanese-Americans are not considered to be Japanese at all when visiting Japan. Like it or not, I'm as American as anyone else who considers themselves American.

This Senator Les Ihara is simply a misguided, ignorant person. This is a slippery slope that may eventually creep onto the mainland. Banning firearm and knife ownership does not work. The results are obvious is Great Britain and Australia, to name a couple places. If people want to be 100% safe, it's impossible. What next? Baseball bats? Screwdrivers? Automobiles?? Glass bottles? Pencils? Bare knuckles and shoes/boots? All these things can be used to commit homicides, and have. There are people who thing the answer is banning anything that might possibly be dangerous. Such people need to grow up and face reality.
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A total ban on all pocket knives? I cannot believe what I have just read!

I hope that this unrealistic and draconian law never gets approved by your Government and if it does you will have my deepest sympathy!

Here in England most types of firearms and many kinds of knives and other weapons ,even self defense sprays, are banned and you are not allowed to defend yourself, your home or your family against criminals without being prosecuted by the police to the full extent of the law but at least you can still carry a small Swiss army knife on your key chain!
 
James Y said:
Why did I just KNOW that someone was going to bring up the Hawaiian politician's racial background as a reason? The fact is, Japanese-Americans, like every other person (including Anglo-Americans) are individuals.
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People don't always carry cultural predilections with them. Someone mentioned my screen name, and it was a fair observation, although inaccurate. (My great-grandfather was a Pennsylvania Yankee who left home at 16 to join the Confederates. Did he own slaves? No. He thought Lincoln was a tyrant and that he was trying to change the government. I didn't learn the truth about Lincoln until I was in college because I'd been brainwashed like everyone else.)

I have Greek friends, second and third generations, and they still think of themselves as Greeks. Many of them speak the language and educate their children in the culture. I also have Jewish friends who hang on to their cultural heritage. As for my Asian friends, many of them jump at the chance to own guns here because they weren't able to own them in the countries they were from. Legislators, however, tend to make rules for others and never, ever, intend that they should apply to them. Look how many anti-gun celebrities and politicians carry guns themselves or hire bodyguards. They want the freedom of defense, but they don't necessarily want to share it.
 
I lived in Hawaii for 31 years. I now reside in Oregon. My knives are now safe.

I do want to say that the bill has nothing to do with the authors ethnic origin. That is just plain silly. The HI legislature is one of the most liberal bunch of idiots on the planet earth. And they are made up of the most diverse group of ethnic representation of any government world wide.

Ken Onion and the other Hawaii knife makers are aware of this bill and are doing what needs to be done. The bill is expected to die in committee. I told Ken, I have a guest room if he needs to move to a knife friendly state like I did. :D
 
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