Things that annoy and bug us in the Exchange forum

Things that bug us;

  • No feedback left, even after I provided feedback

    Votes: 159 62.1%

  • No communication after a sale

    Votes: 102 39.8%

  • Not changing the title of the sale thread after the item is sold

    Votes: 69 27.0%

  • Not including a price or details in the sale thread

    Votes: 105 41.0%

  • Not being able to see who is on line and looking at your sale thread

    Votes: 29 11.3%

  • Not having your own photos in a sale thread

    Votes: 103 40.2%

  • Using Friends and Family as a payment choice

    Votes: 151 59.0%

  • Not putting several knives into one thread aka dumping in the sales area

    Votes: 54 21.1%

  • Poor packaging

    Votes: 117 45.7%

  • Chatting in a sales thread, but not buying

    Votes: 90 35.2%
  • Total voters
    256
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mr2blue said:
I hate to guess the blade steel. It seems people assume you know everything about the knife they are selling.
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That's a good one. The only times I've ever listed the blade steel is if it's a knife that was made in more than one blade steel. You're right. I just assume that people know.

I hope I can remember to use your suggestion in the future. It's something that never even occurred to me until now.
 
F&F or Add $$ for PP Fees, "net to me" drives me CRAZY. (I've had some sellers use "net to me" and don't know what it means too lol) Can you not just add the damn PP fees and ask the amount I need to put into PP??? I'm not paying Friends and Family, you're most likely neither to me. You need to pay for the privilege of accepting a payment safely from ANYWHERE, INSTANTLY like any other merchant online. OR you can ask for Postal MO and wait for them to clear for free.. (Not a jab at you, G2 :D:D)

I usually skip over these type of sales, but I'll admit I have done a few and just paid the fees on something I had to have, but was thoroughly irritated while doing so. o_O:p

Your price is 100? (100 x 1.029) + .30 = 103.20. <--- Nope, Right idea but I applied it wrong.


EDIT: Railsplitter Railsplitter straightened out my slip up here. I calc'ed it from the net price, but the fees are calculated from the Gross amount. :rolleyes: super smooth.
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From Railsplitter's post:
For the seller to net $100.00 the payment would need to be $103.30.

103.30 x 2.9% = 2.9957 (Paypal will round that off to 3.00)
3.00 + .30 = 3.30
103.30 - 3.30 = 100
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2.9% + .30 transaction fee on the total paid. Everytime, same thing. I've had people respond when I ask what is the total price with fees is and that is not the calculation they used... So, do people think the item price seeming $3.30 cheaper will make it sell faster? Is it a "Screw Paypal" thing? Is the math too hard?

As a side note, bear in mind the buyer that pays from an international paypal account even if its going Conus or parcel forward will increase your paypal fees to 4.4%

Here is a great site to calculate the fees: http://thefeecalculator.com/ They even talk a little trash about the PP fees when you use it...
 
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jimmyd1982 said:
Cast my vote.
The other thing that bothers me is removing the price. I have heard the arguments for doing so and understand the logic behind it, but it still bugs me.
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Was looking for this, I’m not sure what the positives are for doing so although I’m sure they have their reasons, sometimes I just want to see what was settled on.
 
I won’t violate the terms of my PayPal agreement to pay F&F. Not happening. If you don’t like PayPal’s business model, I can respect that. But like everything else, if you don’t like it, don’t use it. Don’t “steal it” and use it without paying for it.

As a buyer, I’m also not paying SELLER’S fees. Bake it into your asking price or eat it.

Lastly, why why why is anyone here going to pay you more than the same knife can be had, brand new through a retailer? I do see this from time to time. Somehow people have it in their heads that they’re entitled to break even, and by the time they add shipping and fees, their final price is at or even above what the item costs brand new :confused:
 
Listing on multiple forums - I know it's pretty business savvy, makes sense to get more eyes on your product. But it's also not all that fair to fellow BF community members who may not even have a shot at purchasing.


I know this is sort of in the poll already but I haven't seen anyone mention it?
Not changing the status of an item - this one irks me greatly. It's not terribly common, but when a knife is sold OR has a buyer lined up, I feel it's the seller's duty to change the listing to reflect that (ESPECIALLY if they ask for prompt payment). I actually don't mind too much if they don't change the title, as long as something in the thread says SOLD
 
rdtshaw said:
F&F or Add $$ for PP Fees, "net to me" drives me CRAZY. (I've had some sellers use "net to me" and don't know what it means too lol) Can you not just add the damn PP fees and ask the amount I need to put into PP??? I'm not paying Friends and Family, you're most likely neither to me. You need to pay for the privilege of accepting a payment safely from ANYWHERE, INSTANTLY like any other merchant online. OR you can ask for Postal MO and wait for them to clear for free.. (Not a jab at you, G2 :D:D)

I usually skip over these type of sales, but I'll admit I have done a few and just paid the fees on something I had to have, but was thoroughly irritated while doing so. o_O:p

Your price is 100? (100 x 1.029) + .30 = 103.20.
2.9% + .30 transaction fee. Everytime, same thing. Now I know I just did it there and I don't want to seem lazy but I've had people respond when I ask what is the total price with fees is and that is not the calculation they used... So, do people think the item price seeming $3.20 cheaper will make it sell faster? Is it a "Screw Paypal" thing? Is the math too hard?

As a side note, bear in mind the buyer that pays from an international paypal account even if its going Conus or parcel forward will increase your paypal fees to 4.4%

Here is a great site to calculate the fees: http://thefeecalculator.com/ They even talk a little trash about the PP fees when you use it...
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Don't take this the wrong way as I completely agree with your entire post. Having said that, your calculation in bold text would only net the seller $99.91. The fees are subtracted from the payment amount, not added to the seller's net amount. There's a difference.

103.20 x 2.9% = 2.99
2.99 + .30 = 3.29
103.20 - 3.29 = 99.91

For the seller to net $100.00 the payment would need to be $103.30.

103.30 x 2.9% = 2.9957 (Paypal will round that off to 3.00)
3.00 + .30 = 3.30
103.30 - 3.30 = 100
 
Railsplitter said:
Don't take this the wrong way as I completely agree with your entire post. Having said that, your calculation in bold text would only net the seller $99.91. The fees are subtracted from the payment amount, not added to the seller's net amount. There's a difference.

103.20 x 2.9% = 2.99
2.99 + .30 = 3.29
103.20 - 3.29 = 99.91

For the seller to net $100.00 the payment would need to be $103.30.

103.30 x 2.9% = 2.9957 (Paypal will round that off to 3.00)
3.00 + .30 = 3.30
103.30 - 3.30 = 100
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how dare you contest my math power!!! lol. I totally blew it on that, I calculated it forward... totally forgot its's calc'ed the other way around. More reason for the seller to have it calculated first!! Thanks for straightening me out!

EDIT: Ok Ok I was running an errand and I was racking my brain on how I screwed that post completely and I figured it out. lol. First, I never initially consider "net" on my sales, I just look up the item and assume ok, people are paying "x". So if I'm comfortable with that amount minus pp and shipping it's listing time.. I have a spreadsheet that I track the amount I received, then using the formula I originally posted (and minus shipping fees) I calc the "net" amount. Also note the transaction details: buyer, tracking, etc.. I always calculate it from the Gross amount paid just like you did. So the formula is sound. I was sitting here thinking, man, the numbers are always spot on, WTH?? :confused: Ok good, I was feelin' really dumb there. more than normal anyhow! - I updated my original post and put on my helmet.
 
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rdtshaw said:
totally forgot its's calc'ed the other way around. More reason for the seller to have it calculated first!! Thanks for straightening me out!
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& That's exactly why I skip right over any sale that asks for "net to me". I'm lousy at math and I don't need the extra anxiety of worrying about getting it wrong. If the seller won't make the effort to tell me exactly how much he wants to be paid for an item, I'm not going to try to figure it out for him.

To answer the poll, net to me, F&F and no price stated are total deal breakers. If the seller only shows stock photos and/or has inadequate details about the item, that's probably a deal breaker, too. Having to click a link to get to photos or, worse, email for photos is a big detractor. Unless it's something I really really want that's hard to find elsewhere, I won't bother.

No communication after sale to say knife has arrived and no feedback after I leave feedback are both irksome.
 
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Thanks for the laugh, Mr. Graley.

best

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RayseM said:
Not that difficult but not intuitive either with the new BF format. Here you are:

1) Go to the sale thread.

2) Copy the URL of that thread - this part in the bar at the top of the page https://www.bladeforums.com/threads...e-exchange-forum.1578452/page-2#post-18076082

3) You will see under the avatar of the seller Rating numbers ADD FEEDBACK - Click on that.

4) You will now be on the feedback page for that seller/buyer. Here just follow the prompts - starting with pasting the copy of the URL into the designated space. Fill in the info as requested and you will be done in 30 seconds.

Your sellers and you will appreciate the effort.

Ray
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Unless something has changed recently you also have to have a post in the thread itself or you can't leave feedback for it. That stumped me after the software upgrade for a bit. I personally don't care for that because why is it everyone else's business what I do or don't buy?
 
OilMan said:
Unless something has changed recently you also have to have a post in the thread itself or you can't leave feedback for it. That stumped me after the software upgrade for a bit. I personally don't care for that because why is it everyone else's business what I do or don't buy?
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You're right, both parties must post in a thread to leave feedback. I doubt the actual content of the post matters, so you could just post or edit it to something ambiguous like "message sent".


I understand the want to be anonymous in your transactions, but if that is of high importance for you, then you defeated that notion nearly every time you have used itrader both before and after the change. Even before the change you had to link to the sales/trade thread that the transaction took place to leave Itrader feedback. IMO, that is more telling of a sale/trade that happened then a post in a thread that may or may not have come to an agreement.
 
I hate those posting "I'll take it" in your thread then bailing. They are on the road, at dinner, watching a movie, etc... and will pay "as soon as they can", which turns out to be never on occasion. You see they are online, browsing othe sale posts but jst can't seem to pay for yours. To others browsing the exchange, they see a bunch of replies to your post and assume the item is now gone, and don't see the "still available" a day or two later after the first guy bailed. Now you have to wait two weeks to get it back up front where it will be seen again.
If you say I'll take it, well, take it then. I have had second thoughts myself after committing but have always followed through regardless. Rant over.
 
Net to me sales threads are totally ignored and I’ll tell you why.
My son saw a knife on the Exchange he HAD to have.....net to me. Ugh.
It was only $45 so I went for it.
Paid and got an immediate response.......the seller informed me I was $0.29 short and requested I send it right away. Really??? Really.
Refunded and bought my son a brand new one.
Never again.
Another gem is when sellers ask 4% or 5% for PP fees. Nope.
 
palonej said:
Net to me sales threads are totally ignored and I’ll tell you why.
My son saw a knife on the Exchange he HAD to have.....net to me. Ugh.
It was only $45 so I went for it.
Paid and got an immediate response.......the seller informed me I was $0.29 short and requested I send it right away. Really??? Really.
Refunded and bought my son a brand new one.
Never again.
Another gem is when sellers ask 4% or 5% for PP fees. Nope.
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Man I've had this happen, the nuts of demanding $0.29... Money is money and I'm not one to leave any on the table, but really?

My other one is the person who forgets to ask for PP fees in the ad and then asks for them after working out the deal. I had a guy do that and I only paid it because it was a screaming deal on a CRK Sebenza. Oh and he said if you sell it, make sure to let me know because I might want to buy it back. So I have to pay your "new" fees AND you're claiming dibs on it if I sell it? I finished the deal, got the knife and promptly added that chump to my ignore list.

I'm afraid I'm sounding bitter in these posts... lol. 95% of the time, transactions go really well. Most the people here are super nice to deal with and most of my experiences have been good.
 
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