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Thinking about open-carrying a dagger

Discussion in 'General Knife Discussion' started by ZTFan, Dec 5, 2017.

  1. chopsaki

    chopsaki Gold Member Gold Member

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    Feb 4, 2014
    Good luck! I’m pulling for ya!
     
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  2. Man with no name

    Man with no name

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    Jun 24, 2015
    Knife would be used as a last resort. And as Lynn Thompson of Cold Steel is fond of saying "It beats using your fingernails".
     
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  3. chopsaki

    chopsaki Gold Member Gold Member

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    Feb 4, 2014
    Personally I only carry a knife as a tool for EDC tasks but humans for centuries have carried blades for defense weapons. The notion that they are ineffective in present times seems a little dismissive. Close range attacks, which I would imagine where the majority of attacks occur, knives are very dangerous.

    Training is good For muscle memory and mindset for any defensive tool and unarmed combat. But also aggression and heart go a loooong way in combative situations. I read about a jogger who used a pocket knife to stop an attack a few weeks ago. I have mentioned this before here but I had a buddy of mine who was a victim of a home invasion by two men. One of which he dispatched with the closest tool available, a fixed blade knife and the other ran away after his buddy was ventilated by said blade. Attacks and combat of any kind are very dynamic situations where there are no absolutes in saying this or that won’t work. Any tool is better than no tool but the most important factor of all is the person behind the tool.
     
  4. jackknife

    jackknife

    Oct 2, 2004
    But will you have the time to put it on????:eek:

    It's been my experience as a big city dweller from Washington D.C., that if things happen, they tend to happen very quickly and unplanned. Being young and dumb when friends and I ran the streets of D.C. going places we shouldn't have, doing things we shouldn't have, and getting into situations that could have been avoided with a little common sense, that the shite happens VERY fast. Heck, if you're in the car, or have cases to the car, go like Robert Mitchum in Thunder Road!:D

    Of course CM, you yourself made the most intelligent post way back. You boiled it down, distilled it, bottled it, and wrapped it all up in a nice ribbon. The proverbial essence of truth in three simple lines;

    Don't be an a$$hole.
    Don't go where a$$holes congregate.
    If you won't go there without a gun, don't go there!

    Did I get that right, CM? ;)

    Three simple rules to get through life with a minimum of drama.
     
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  5. 22-rimfire

    22-rimfire

    Nov 20, 2005
    Interesting for CA. This would be pretty much consistent with NYC knife law on gravity knives and so forth. It is a broad expansion of the "switchblade" characterization.
     
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  6. Man with no name

    Man with no name

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    Jun 24, 2015
    The problem is there are assholes everywhere.
     
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  7. scubisino

    scubisino

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    Dec 4, 2015
    Almost 100$ for a 440c dull ice pick?.... no thank you...
     
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  8. HappyDaddy

    HappyDaddy Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 21, 2013
    Your example, while not doubted, is the outlier that results in my use of the word "approaches" in "approaches zero." BTW- Use of a knife in self-defense from an "attack" in which the attacker isn't armed will almost certainly result in your arrest. I stand by my comment in every respect.
     
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  9. 22-rimfire

    22-rimfire

    Nov 20, 2005
    The problem is that some of us have to go places where it simply isn't safe (in the traditional broad view sense) in order to put food on the table. Think of the UPS or FedEx guys and gals. I try not to be an a$$hole, but that is subject to interpretation. ;)

    Gaston's comment about carrying a 1911 for 40 years (a big lump certainly) and most likely never needing it. Tis why as jackknife said, we have other choices now. We did 100 years ago too, but the "lumps" have gotten smaller, and certainly lighter.
     
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  10. chopsaki

    chopsaki Gold Member Gold Member

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    Feb 4, 2014
    Sooo you think that female Jogger who defended herself with that knife gotnjntk trouble? She didn’t. You absolutely can defend yourself with a weapon against an unarmed attacker depending on the circumstance. Multiple attackers, size of attacker, location of attack ect. You are wrong.
     
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  11. Charlie Mike

    Charlie Mike Sober since 1-7-14 (still a Paranoid Nutjob) Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Nov 1, 2000
    Fixed it
     
  12. Man with no name

    Man with no name

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    Jun 24, 2015
    Exactly. If a place is so bad that you think you might need a gun may be best to avoid such places in the first place.
     
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  13. SkrufKnifer

    SkrufKnifer

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    Oct 27, 2012
    I grew up in a place where in elementary school a few of my class mates brought hand guns to school. Where I came up you had to fight people/s regularly. Usually a group would find a single person. I carried a dagger just for that. I wasn't old enough to carry a gun. I got jumped by some kids who wanted to get into the 29th St crips. I shanked two of those POS,s. I called the police after the incident has the other three got back in the car and fled. One of them took a puncture to the liver. His two buddies rolled him into anl ditch to bleed out. The officer that interviewed me said. "Why didn't you shoot them?" Said I'm not old enough to carry a pistol. Officer responded. " good thing you had that knife". So if you think you might need a dagger then carry it. With innarms reach ID rather have a knife than a gun

    So telling some one not to go somewhere because shitty people are there. Maybe this guy has to live in the same shit hole I had to grow up in
     
  14. HappyDaddy

    HappyDaddy Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 21, 2013
    You're free to depend on the outliers (and to ignore my lawyerly qualifiers). That doesn't make me wrong. Besides which, my point is not that there are no circumstances in which one could appropriately and successfully use a knife in self-defense (which is why I never said it). My point is that it is a mistake to think "I'm safer now" when putting that knife in your pocket.
     
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  15. jackknife

    jackknife

    Oct 2, 2004
    Thanks!:thumbsup:
     
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  16. SkrufKnifer

    SkrufKnifer

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    Oct 27, 2012
    • Warning for language
    I agree with the self defense. Get into a place that engages in full contact exercise. Got to a place where your going to get hit and hit hard. Get your be rung. Get knocked out. If you can't do that in a safe setting then you are most likely not going to do well in the event of a fight. I guess I was lucky growing up the " man of the house" would beat the shit out of me every time he was drunk. So I got use to being knocked unconscious at a young age. The hardest part is stopping the panic and anxiety, and start thinking and making your body work.

    As for law enforcement and knives, ive never had a problem but you can or at the time I lived there the only knife law was. Nothing over 7 1/2 couldn't be concealed. So let that group get close enough to o get shanked. They shouldn't be fucking with you to begin with. If you kill or seriously injure them well it's there own damn fault. I sure as hell wouldn't convict you
     
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  17. jackknife

    jackknife

    Oct 2, 2004
    No, you are not going to jail by some automatic default because you used a knife on an unarmed person. A much younger person defending against a bigger older attacker, or an elderly person defensing against a much younger attacker. A woman defending against a male attacker. Check your legal resource and look up 'disparity of force'. Heck, you can even shoot someone if there is a disparity of force enough for legal cause. Travon Martin was shot and killed by George Zimmerman even though Martin was totally unarmed. The fact that he had Zimmerman down and was beating the dog snot out of him and was a bigger individual was the disparity of force. The only reason there was a trial was political pressure.

    Standing by your comment doesn't change the fact that you are wrong. There has been a ton of people who have shot, stabbed, or clubbed unarmed persons and not been arrested.
     
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  18. chopsaki

    chopsaki Gold Member Gold Member

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    Feb 4, 2014
    I guess I missed the part where anyone said they feel safer for carrying a tool that may or may not be used in defense? I wasn’t really commenting on anybody feeling safer.
     
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  19. Lapedog

    Lapedog

    Dec 7, 2016
    Yes, I am aware of the Canadian law. Basically they don't want you defending yourself. In Canada I am not allowed to stab someone unless they have ALREADY presented a knife to me as a weapon. (Or some other lethal force)

    There is a problem with self defense laws based on equivilent responses. It is that in a self defense situations we often do not have time to assess what we are being hit with. People get stabbed all the time without even realizing their opponent had a knife.

    The other issue is that most attacks where you will need a weapon to defend yourself often are initiated by surprise. Usually self defense situations don't start with the two opponents squaring off and presenting their arms to eachother. Often you do not realize you are in a SD scenario until you have recieved a few blows. I am sorry but to me a lethal response IS an equivilent force response to being ambushed, even if those ambushers were unarmed. The surprise WAS their weapon.
     
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  20. 22-rimfire

    22-rimfire

    Nov 20, 2005
    That's sad. I read and hear about such things. As a kid I was barely spanked. But I was a good kid overall. School was different and I don't look fondly back at my years in elementary and high school. That crap all stopped when I finally had "enough" and fought back. No knives were necessary, just rage.
     
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