Thinking about open-carrying a dagger

No, you are not going to jail by some automatic default because you used a knife on an unarmed person. A much younger person defending against a bigger older attacker, or an elderly person defensing against a much younger attacker. A woman defending against a male attacker. Check your legal resource and look up 'disparity of force'. Heck, you can even shoot someone if there is a disparity of force enough for legal cause. Travon Martin was shot and killed by George Zimmerman even though Martin was totally unarmed. The fact that he had Zimmerman down and was beating the dog snot out of him and was a bigger individual was the disparity of force. The only reason there was a trial was political pressure.

Standing by your comment doesn't change the fact that you are wrong. There has been a ton of people who have shot, stabbed, or clubbed unarmed persons and not been arrested.

I've both prosecuted and defended cases such as those you describe. You're not telling me anything I don't know. While it's getting a little tiresome to have to repeat - I know there are circumstances in which the use of a knife in self-defense is lawful, necessary, and (most importantly) unavoidable. Again - my point is that those circumstances are so incredibly rare that they do not outweigh the danger of the mindset that permits one to think "self-defense" when deciding to carry a knife. One would be immeasurably safer to have a mindset of avoidance and escape. Over and out.
 
For the OP: Forget the dagger. It's not practical. There is nothing wrong with being prepared to defend yourself. But do it properly. First, without trying to sound "prac-tacky," be situationally aware at all times. That translates into being aware of what and who is around you. Usually, simple awareness--being "present in the moment" can save you some trouble.

Second, regarding self defense, a firearm is your most reliable option. Get trained properly. Practice often. Respect the tool. Carry it in a way that allows you to draw it quickly if needed. Example: I live in NY. Here, it is a PITA to obtain a CCW but it is possible. It varies county to county not including NYC. Anyway, I carry a S&W 386. 7 shots, .357 mag. I have several thousand rounds fired over several years through that pistol. I know it inside and out an am comfortable using it. I have trained w/ law enforcement and through various NRA sponsored programs...the point is I will be ready to use it if that day ever arrives.
 
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Yes, I am aware of the Canadian law. Basically they don't want you defending yourself. In Canada I am not allowed to stab someone unless they have ALREADY presented a knife to me as a weapon. (Or some other lethal force)

There is a problem with self defense laws based on equivilent responses. It is that in a self defense situations we often do not have time to assess what we are being hit with. People get stabbed all the time without even realizing their opponent had a knife.

The other issue is that most attacks where you will need a weapon to defend yourself often are initiated by surprise. Usually self defense situations don't start with the two opponents squaring off and presenting their arms to eachother. Often you do not realize you are in a SD scenario until you have recieved a few blows. I am sorry but to me a lethal response IS an equivilent force response to being ambushed, even if those ambushers were unarmed. The surprise WAS their weapon.[concisenessAgree, when a person or group of people assault you, they don't square off they just come at you. Learning how to take a blow or multiple blows is important. When you get hit hard enough to lose conciseness. Your ears ring, you feel dizzy even nasia you see spots, and get tunnel vision. Everything slows down seconds feel like minutes. If not exposed to this in a safe environment and not having experience to learn how to make your mind work and body work. You can learn to make your body react. Most if not every person takes the flight response. Learning how and teaching your mind and body to fight is where the first real battle happens. Best to do that in a class room. A knife at arms reach or closer is just as if not more effective as a fire arm. You can stop a gun from firing if you grab it and remove it from the battery position. If you can control the battery position the person holding the pistol will only concentrate on the pistol. He won't pay attention to the knife until he's been stuck a few time.
 
That's sad. I read and hear about such things. As a kid I was barely spanked. But I was a good kid overall. School was different and I don't look fondly back at my years in elementary and high school. That crap all stopped when I finally had "enough" and fought back. No knives were necessary, just rage.

I know what you mean. I was 11 when I had enough. He was beating the shit out of me I think he didn't like where I left my bicycle. After a few fist to the face and the fading out started I changed forever at that point. Never to fly again just fight. I went to jail that night. When the police showed up I had him on the ground I was on his back chokeing him screaming " I'm going to kill you!" The EMTs had to work him as I fought the four officers that came to his aid. I spent three days in the jail before the judge released me. I took no charges. Had I had a knife I would stabbed him till he stopped moving
 
Sorry I got carried away. To the OP. Any knife will work for SD. I would say a fixed is better choice than a folder. Having a kydex no lock Sheath is about the best way to go. When you strike with a knife think of it as a stick and wack don't bother trying to slice. If you make contact it will do the work. You are best off stabbing try to get chest. Or the nuts. Both will send your attacker Into shock pretty quick.
I edc'd a dagger. It was OK as a knife I guess. I carried the same dagger with my pistol.
In all your best self-defense weapon is your body and mind. A weapon is an extension of your body, and your body is a tool of your mind. If either of those two are week, then any weapon is useless.
Carry that dagger, but remember it's only as good as the person who wealds it
 
I know what you mean. I was 11 when I had enough. He was beating the shit out of me I think he didn't like where I left my bicycle. After a few fist to the face and the fading out started I changed forever at that point. Never to fly again just fight. I went to jail that night. When the police showed up I had him on the ground I was on his back choking him screaming " I'm going to kill you!" The EMTs had to work him as I fought the four officers that came to his aid. I spent three days in the jail before the judge released me. I took no charges. Had I had a knife I would stabbed him till he stopped moving
I grew up in essentially a dry household and I think it was a reaction to a background similar to yours. I believe my Dad had similar experiences. No kid should EVER experience this kind of thing. Dad never really said much about it, but I know that my Grandmother took the brunt of the abuse. There were few tears at my Grandfather's funeral.
 
I think my experience made me stronger. I needed it. He eventually kicked me out on the streets. I've been on my own since 13. I carried my dagger till I was old enough to buy a pistol, and still carried that dagger. It got me out of some shit more than once. SW HRT great knife when you live in a gutter or find shelter in park bathrooms when weirdo(s) show up.
 
You didn't need this. You grew up at 13. Should not be that way. You Dad should have gone to jail for some "adjustment". I understand your feelings about knives and self defense. I believe you have alluded to this in other posts.
 
There is a great divide of understanding about self defense between those who have been victim to life-threatening violence and those who have been spared .
I think this is very true. Where or how you grew up makes a world of difference in your perspectives on self defense whether it be with a firearm, cane, or knife. I grew up out in the country and picked on by "city kids" for it.... those same people later moved to the country to escape some of the city hazards. Kids can be really cruel sometimes and are precisely the group that you have to keep up your guard with (especially when you get older) and they see you as an easy mark.
 
I was always told that when confronted with stress or dangerous situations humans generally tend to do two things.

1. Freeze up

or

2. Fall back on training.
 
I would not open carry one, but I do carry a Benchmade push dagger on my left side belt under a polo shirt.
This goes with a Glock 19 carried AIWB on the right side of my belt buckle and a Spyderco Military (Fluted Titanium currently) in my right rear pocket. I mainly carry the push dagger just because I can legally do so since the laws changed in Texas in September.
It's also nice to have the push dagger with me when I go to school events where a handgun is prohibited but any knife with a blade under 5.5 inches is legal.
 
Yes, I am aware of the Canadian law. Basically they don't want you defending yourself. In Canada I am not allowed to stab someone unless they have ALREADY presented a knife to me as a weapon. (Or some other lethal force)

That's not exactly how it actually is.
But since this is a thread about a knife rather than Canadian self defense laws, I'll leave it at that. ;)
 
You're free to depend on the outliers (and to ignore my lawyerly qualifiers). That doesn't make me wrong. Besides which, my point is not that there are no circumstances in which one could appropriately and successfully use a knife in self-defense (which is why I never said it). My point is that it is a mistake to think "I'm safer now" when putting that knife in your pocket.

You are safer from those outlier situations where its use is appropriate.
 
After reading this thread, I've come to the conclusion that I am in fact, Obi Wan Kenobi and I can just Jedi mindrape people into not attacking me. Because, somehow, I've managed to work in really bad neighborhoods, and have never once needed to defend myself against the hordes of evil Mad Max ruffians that seem to attack peole everywhere else.
 
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I would be concerned with becoming a door prize for the next gang initiation. Self defense is fine, but it is best to carry something subtle that doesn't draw so much attention. It doesn't matter how fast you can draw it if the other guy has the initiative.

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After reading this thread, I've come to the conclusion that I am in fact, Obi Wan Kenobi and I can just Jedi mindrape people into not attacking me. Because, somehow, I've managed to work in really bad neighborhoods, and have never once needed to defend myself against the hordes of evil Mad Max ruffians that seem to attack peole everywhere else.

So what’s your point? I’m glad you have never been in that situation and hope you never do. Not everyone has had the same experience as you.
 
That's not exactly how it actually is.
But since this is a thread about a knife rather than Canadian self defense laws, I'll leave it at that. ;)

I know, I am oversimplifying to avoid another post trying to unravel the tangled web of contradictions that is canadian knife law.

Legality of armed self defense is based on disparity of force.
 
I know, I am oversimplifying to avoid another post trying to unravel the tangled web of contradictions that is canadian knife law.

Legality of armed self defense is based on disparity of force.

Worse, it's based on if the "reasonable person" would be in fear for their life.
Good luck finding a reasonable person on this planet! :D
 
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